Isaiah 40:22 -- "Globe of the Earth"

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What is today the flat earth movement was what most likely started out as a quest to know the truth as masked from many by the great delusion. But you can't look beyond Christ for the truth, Christ is the truth.

The flat earth movement is now a joke which attempts to now rely solely on science, and not on the revelation God provides, to discover the truth. The same science through which we were lied to; telling us creation came into being through a big bang, humans came from apes, the earth is over 4 billion years old and what not.

How do we now turn to that same science, relying on our own understanding, to discover the truth? Do we still not realize that we're nothing without God?

Isn't that the main theme of the great delusion; to take God out of the picture?

Just so we're clear on where I stand:
The earth is not flat. But it's also not spherical. The truth lies somewhere in between.
 
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Please address what I wrote, not what you wish I wrote.

Are you claiming that the only thing that can be inside the firmament is a ball?
The firmament means "heaven" as it is written:

"God called the expanse Heaven" (Gen.1:8). This verse refers to the 1st heaven, the earthly sky.

Gen.1:14-19,

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be signs to indicate seasons, and days, and years. 15 Let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. 17 Then God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. Then God saw that it was good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The word heavens refers the the heaven above the earthly sky, the 2nd heaven (space).

Heaven/Heavens defined in The New Strong's Expanded Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible:

"8064. [420x] Shamayin, shaw-mah'-yim; dual of an unused sing.

Shameh, shaw-mah'; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perb. alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve): -- heaven (39x), air [21x], astrologer + 1895 [1x].

Introduction: Sometimes it signifies the atmosphere immediately surrounding the earth, in which the fowls of the air fly. Sometimes it is used of the space in which the clouds are floating. In other places it refers to the vast expanse through which the starts are moving in their courses. It is opposed to sheowl (7585), the one being regarded as a place of exaltation, the other of degradation; the one being represented as the dwelling place of the Most High and the angels of God, the other as the abode of the dead. It includes all space that is not occupied by the terrestrial globe, and extends from the air we breathe and the winds we feel around us to the firmament or expanse that contains the innumerable stars. This is includes, and exceeds for where our intellect ceases to operate, and fails to find a limit to the extension of space, there faith comes in. And while before the eye of the body there is spread out an infinity of space, the possession of the super-material nature brings us into communion with a Being whose nature and condition cannot adequately be described by terms of locality or extension. The heavens and the heaven of heavens cannot contain Him. The countless stars are not only known and numbered by Him, but are called into existence and fixed in their courses by His will and wisdom. Where He is, there the true heaven is; and the glories of the firmament faintly shadow forth the ineffable bliss that those must realize who are brought into relationship with Him.
(1) Shamayim is the usual for the sky and the realm of the sky (1a) birds fly (Duet.4:17). (1b) This area, high above the ground below the stars and heavenly bodies, is often a locus of visions (1 Chr. 21:16). (2) This word represents an area farther removed from the earth's surface (2a) from which come such things as (2a1) frost (Job 38:29), (2a2) snow (Is 55:10), (2a3) fire (Gen 19:24), (2a4) dust (Deut 28:24), (2a5) hail (Josh 10:11), and (a26) rain (Gen 8:2). (2b) This realm is God's storehouse; God is (3a) the dispenser of the stores and Lord of the realm (Deut 28:12). (2c) This meaning of shamayim occurs in Gen 1:7-8. (3) Shamayim also represents the realm in which the sun, moon, and stars are located (Gen 1:14). (4) The phrase "heaven and earth" may denote the entire creation (Gen 1:1). (5) Heaven is the dwelling place of God (Ps 2:4; Deut 4:39; 26:15). (5a) Another expression representing the dwelling place of God is "the highest heaven" [literally, the heaven of heavens] (Deut 10:14). (5b) This does not indicate height, but also an absolute--i.e., God's abode is a unique realm not to be identified with a physical creation. Syn.: 7834. See TWOT--2407a; BDB--1029c, 116a."


Firmament/expanse from The New Strong's Expanded Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible:

"H7549. רָקִיעַ râqîyaʻ, raw-kee'-ah; from H7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:—firmament.

(1) Raqiya means that which is fixed and steadfast, rather than that which is solid. (1a) The application to the heavenly bodies is simple and beautful: (b) they are not fickle and uncertain in their movements, but are regulated by a law that they cannot pass over. (2) It comes from raqa (7554) which means spread out. The firmament, then is that which is spread or stretched out--hence an expanse. Thus it is extended and fixed, or fixed space. (3) The interplanetary spaces are measured out by God, and though the stars are ever moving, they generally preserve fixed relative positions; their movements are not erratic, not in straight lines, but in orbits, and thus, though ever changing, they are always the same."

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The firmament means "heaven" as it is written:

"God called the expanse Heaven" (Gen.1:8). This verse refers to the 1st heaven, the earthly sky.

Gen.1:14-19,

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be signs to indicate seasons, and days, and years. 15 Let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. 17 Then God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. Then God saw that it was good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The word heavens refers the the heaven above the earthly sky, the 2nd heaven (space).

Heaven/Heavens defined in The New Strong's Expanded Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible:

"8064. [420x] Shamayin, shaw-mah'-yim; dual of an unused sing.

Shameh, shaw-mah'; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perb. alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve): -- heaven (39x), air [21x], astrologer + 1895 [1x].

Introduction: Sometimes it signifies the atmosphere immediately surrounding the earth, in which the fowls of the air fly. Sometimes it is used of the space in which the clouds are floating. In other places it refers to the vast expanse through which the starts are moving in their courses. It is opposed to sheowl (7585), the one being regarded as a place of exaltation, the other of degradation; the one being represented as the dwelling place of the Most High and the angels of God, the other as the abode of the dead. It includes all space that is not occupied by the terrestrial globe, and extends from the air we breathe and the winds we feel around us to the firmament or expanse that contains the innumerable stars. This is includes, and exceeds for where our intellect ceases to operate, and fails to find a limit to the extension of space, there faith comes in. And while before the eye of the body there is spread out an infinity of space, the possession of the super-material nature brings us into communion with a Being whose nature and condition cannot adequately be described by terms of locality or extension. The heavens and the heaven of heavens cannot contain Him. The countless stars are not only known and numbered by Him, but are called into existence and fixed in their courses by His will and wisdom. Where He is, there the true heaven is; and the glories of the firmament faintly shadow forth the ineffable bliss that those must realize who are brought into relationship with Him.
(1) Shamayim is the usual for the sky and the realm of the sky (1a) birds fly (Duet.4:17). (1b) This area, high above the ground below the stars and heavenly bodies, is often a locus of visions (1 Chr. 21:16). (2) This word represents an area farther removed from the earth's surface (2a) from which come such things as (2a1) frost (Job 38:29), (2a2) snow (Is 55:10), (2a3) fire (Gen 19:24), (2a4) dust (Deut 28:24), (2a5) hail (Josh 10:11), and (a26) rain (Gen 8:2). (2b) This realm is God's storehouse; God is (3a) the dispenser of the stores and Lord of the realm (Deut 28:12). (2c) This meaning of shamayim occurs in Gen 1:7-8. (3) Shamayim also represents the realm in which the sun, moon, and stars are located (Gen 1:14). (4) The phrase "heaven and earth" may denote the entire creation (Gen 1:1). (5) Heaven is the dwelling place of God (Ps 2:4; Deut 4:39; 26:15). (5a) Another expression representing the dwelling place of God is "the highest heaven" [literally, the heaven of heavens] (Deut 10:14). (5b) This does not indicate height, but also an absolute--i.e., God's abode is a unique realm not to be identified with a physical creation. Syn.: 7834. See TWOT--2407a; BDB--1029c, 116a."


Firmament/expanse from The New Strong's Expanded Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible:

"H7549. רָקִיעַ râqîyaʻ, raw-kee'-ah; from H7554; properly, an expanse, i.e. the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky:—firmament.

(1) Raqiya means that which is fixed and steadfast, rather than that which is solid. (1a) The application to the heavenly bodies is simple and beautful: (b) they are not fickle and uncertain in their movements, but are regulated by a law that they cannot pass over. (2) It comes from raqa (7554) which means spread out. The firmament, then is that which is spread or stretched out--hence an expanse. Thus it is extended and fixed, or fixed space. (3) The interplanetary spaces are measured out by God, and though the stars are ever moving, they generally preserve fixed relative positions; their movements are not erratic, not in straight lines, but in orbits, and thus, though ever changing, they are always the same."

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I'm going to keep trying until you address the question I asked:

Are you claiming that the only thing that can be inside the firmament is a ball?
 
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I'm going to keep trying until you address the question I asked:

Are you claiming that the only thing that can be inside the firmament is a ball?
I find your question to foolish to answer. Try rephrasing it. I will not answer questions that are not well worded. Your question is poorly worded.
 
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God sits exalted above the globe, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers, despicable compared with God. God stretches out the heavens like awnings which are drawn over houses' courts, and spreads them out as tents to live in.
 
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Are those your personal translations?

It appears someone just decided to attach the word "globe" to every verse.
I added? If you say "I added" then you didn't read the post. I added nothing.
 
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I added? If you say "I added" then you didn't read the post. I added nothing.

There was nothing much to read there. The whole thing reeks of desperation.

I go into same scriptures on my bible and it says nothing about earth as a globe.

Is the KJV wrong?
 
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There was nothing much to read there. The whole thing reeks of desperation.

I go into same scriptures on my bible and it says nothing about earth as a globe.

Is the KJV wrong?
Yes. The KJV scholars followed after the Puritan scholars of the Geneva Bible who were not high-churchmen and didn't have the mastery of Hebrew and Greek that William Tyndale and other well known scholars of that time. I'm not saying the KJV is a bad translation, but it did blunder on H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl. The Hebrew, Greek and Latin do not agree with the KJV on this issue. I have my case very clear in the link I provided for you. I am not making any of this up. The English translations lost something like 28 globe earth verses. But all 33 globe earth verses are found in Hebrew, Greek and Latin.
A Complete & Comprehensive Catalog of All 33 Globe Earth Verses in the Holy Bible.
 
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Yes. The KJV scholars followed after the Puritan scholars of the Geneva Bible who were not high-churchmen and didn't have the mastery of Hebrew and Greek that William Tyndale and other well known scholars of that time. I'm not saying the KJV is a bad translation, but it did blunder on H8398 תֵּבֵל têbêl. The Hebrew, Greek and Latin do not agree with the KJV on this issue. I have my case very clear in the link I provided for you. I am not making any of this up. The English translations lost something like 28 globe earth verses. But all 33 globe earth verses are found in Hebrew, Greek and Latin.
A Complete & Comprehensive Catalog of All 33 Globe Earth Verses in the Holy Bible.

I'm not saying you're making anything up. But you're on the wrong path. There are alterations in scripture. I'm aware of that. This is why we have several translations, to give us different insights within which the Holy Spirit directs us to the truth.

Even I barely read the KJV and yet I can tell you it's practically the most original and unaltered version of scripture. None of the scriptures you highlighted refer to the earth as a globe in any of the versions most generally used.
 
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I'm not saying you're making anything up. But you're on the wrong path. There are alterations in scripture. I'm aware of that. This is why we have several translations, to give us different insights within which the Holy Spirit directs us to the truth.

Even I barely read the KJV and yet I can tell you it's practically the most original and unaltered version of scripture. None of the scriptures you highlighted refer to the earth as a globe in any of the versions most generally used.

A lot of the sources he is using are from translations quite older than the KJV.
 
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A lot of the sources he is using are from translations quite older than the KJV.

Again, none of those verses point to the earth as being a globe.

At most, they point to the earth as having a curvature, and I'm not disputing that. See my previous post on where I stand. I'm not saying the earth is flat. But neither is it spherical.

Also, why does he appear to be borrowing scriptures from the KJV to buttress his point if it's wrong on issues that border on the shape of the earth?
 
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Again, none of those verses point to the earth as being a globe.

At most, they point to the earth as having a curvature, and I'm not disputing that. See my previous post on where I stand. I'm not saying the earth is flat. But neither is it spherical.

Also, why does he appear to be borrowing scriptures from the KJV to buttress his point, if it's wrong on issues that bother on the shape of the earth?

Technically it's an oblate spheroid.
 
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