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Should we preach ourselves into faith or wait till we have it?

Yes we should, one time I was preaching to a lady and attempting to gain a convert, and when I spoke, "God can do no evil and Satan can do no good" the Holy Spirit filled me with this unearthly peace and love, and God spoke to me and confirmed that it was truth. That was a huge faith building experience :) HTH
 
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And now we have heard that by which faith comes do we have it?

Faith is not a thing
It is the action one takes based upon what one truly believes.

So having heard the word of God we put it into action IF we really do believe.

Thus..he that hears the word but does not do it decieves themself.
 
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This can be self brainwashing. Or it can result in genuine faith which is a fruit of the Holy Spirit one must have before they can believe.

Can you explain how it can be brainwashing? That concept is something I've not known I think. And I don't understand what you mean.
 
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Can you explain how it can be brainwashing? That concept is something I've not known I think. And I don't understand what you mean.
If you need to force yourself to believe, you do not believe. Forced faith and brainwashing yourself is not biblical faith.
 
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Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Amen. Where Jesus' Gospel is proclaimed, one may expect faith to be kindled; for this preaching is faith's prerequisite, faith depends upon the Gospel's preaching. And preaching, in turn, is through Christ's Word.

Preaching is done by virtue of Christ's word, who as the Church's Lord sends out missionaries. The message brought by these is thus faith's sure foundation.

All the greater, then, is the responsibility of unbelievers in resisting salvation's order as fixed by God, in thwarting God's plan for their joy.
 
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If you need to force yourself to believe, you do not believe. Forced faith and brainwashing yourself is not biblical faith.

I think I see your point. I had a psychologist tell me this one truth: "If you tell a person they are stupid long enough eventually they will believe it. Likewise if you tell them their intelligent the same is true".
 
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That is brainwashing. Not faith.

What is the difference between brain washing to accept the Bible and have your mind transformed by the renewing of the mind? Romans 12:2

Yes we should, one time I was preaching to a lady and attempting to gain a convert, and when I spoke, "God can do no evil and Satan can do no good" the Holy Spirit filled me with this unearthly peace and love, and God spoke to me and confirmed that it was truth. That was a huge faith building experience :) HTH

It is my general thought process that preaching the word will cause us to believe the word if our heart is right to receive it. I asked this question to get more thoughts on it to make my idea more clear.
 
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What is the difference between brain washing to accept the Bible and have your mind transformed by the renewing of the mind? Romans 12:2



It is my general thought process that preaching the word will cause us to believe the word if our heart is right to receive it. I asked this question to get more thoughts on it to make my idea more clear.
You cannot brainwash yourself into being saved. It is by grace alone.
 
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What is the difference between brain washing to accept the Bible and have your mind transformed by the renewing of the mind? Romans 12:2



It is my general thought process that preaching the word will cause us to believe the word if our heart is right to receive it. I asked this question to get more thoughts on it to make my idea more clear.

Matthew 18:20 appears correct for testifying of God. So I think your correct :)
 
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You cannot brainwash yourself into being saved. It is by grace alone.
God offers grace to all men. Titus 2:11 So to learn of salvation and accept it by faith is valid.

All the promises are there for us to receive. 2 Corinthians 1:20 When we wash our minds of doubt and unbelief and let the word refresh us, the promise is there for us.
 
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If you need to force yourself to believe, you do not believe. Forced faith and brainwashing yourself is not biblical faith.
I agree that forced faith is not faith it instead is hope. Brain washing and renewing your mind seem to be the same thing. Brain washing is just removing false belief and replacing it with God's promises. Brain washing is not a Biblical word. Renewing your mind is.
 
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I agree that forced faith is not faith it instead is hope. Brain washing and renewing your mind seem to be the same thing. Brain washing is just removing false belief and replacing it with God's promises. Brain washing is not a Biblical word. Renewing your mind is.
We renew our mind with the word. But you cannot brainwash yourself into salvation. It is a supernatural event performed by God in the heart called the New Birth. It comes before a person can have biblical faith and repent.
 
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God offers grace to all men. Titus 2:11 So to learn of salvation and accept it by faith is valid.

All the promises are there for us to receive. 2 Corinthians 1:20 When we wash our minds of doubt and unbelief and let the word refresh us, the promise is there for us.
This is not what the passage says. If you consider the context where Paul speaks of the social structures Christians are involved in, all men = all classes of people including slaves
 
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We renew our mind with the word. But you cannot brainwash yourself into salvation. It is a supernatural event performed by God in the heart called the New Birth. It comes before a person can have biblical faith and repent.

So are you coming from the idea that we don't have free will to choose salvation in Christ? God has provided salvation to all. John 3:16 God is not waiting for some other time for us to be saved, but today is the day of salvation. 2 Corinthians 6:2 God provided salvation and it is up to us to receive it. John 1:12 God asks us to believe. That is the work that is required of us. John 6:29
 
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So are you coming from the idea that we don't have free will to choose salvation in Christ? God has provided salvation to all. John 3:16 God is not waiting for some other time for us to be saved, but today is the day of salvation. 2 Corinthians 6:2 God provided salvation and it is up to us to receive it. John 1:12 God asks us to believe. That is the work that is required of us. John 6:29
Your position turns the gospel into law and grace into works. Instead, God saves those who cannot believe in Christ, turning them into believers.
 
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This is not what the passage says. If you consider the context where Paul speaks of the social structures Christians are involved in, all men = all classes of people including slaves

Titus 2:11 God has given grace to all men for salvation. We don't get saved until we receive God's grace by faith. Ephesians 2:8-9

All men or all classes of men. It is for salvation that is offered to all men to all classes of men. Whoever/whosoever believes will receive eternal life.
 
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