Illegal Immigration Could Hit Historic High

JacobKStarkey said:

Nothing above suggests a national emergency on our southern border is happening.

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Maybe do a little research on the history of declared National Emergencies?

variant said:

Not so much faked as far as these are the people who would have generally shown up and presented themselves (petitioning for asylum) at the normal border crossing and not be considered "illegal".

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Tell that to the legal citizens who migrated from other countries through legal means.

variant said:

They've been driven into the deserts and more remote locations by the Trump administration themselves.

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Agnostics are always about evidence when it comes to the existence of God, so you'll have to provide some evidence, something more than so-called journalistic opinion, or else I'll have to be agnostic about your assertion here, I take that back, I'll hold the even stronger position, an atheistic position about your assertion. Not for one second do I believe the Trump administration micro manages boarder security.

Apologetic_Warrior said:

Tell that to the legal citizens who migrated from other countries through legal means.

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Why should I tell them that? Asylum requests are a legal means of migrating.

We are accepting fewer requests, and fewer legal immigrants.

Agnostics are always about evidence when it comes to the existence of God, so you'll have to provide some evidence, something more than so-called journalistic opinion, or else I'll have to be agnostic about your assertion here, I take that back, even stronger position, atheistic about your assertion. Not for one second do I believe the Trump administration micro manages boarder security.

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It was in the first article I read on the topic.

Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More Than 76,000 Unauthorized Migrants Cross in a Month

The main problem is not one of uncontrolled masses scaling the fences, but a humanitarian challenge created as thousands of migrant families surge into remote areas where the administration has so far failed to devote sufficient resources to care for them, as is required under the law.

The latest numbers stung an administration that has over the past two years introduced a rash of aggressive policies intended to deter migrants from journeying to the United States, including separating families, limiting entries at official ports and requiring some asylum seekers to wait in Mexico through the duration of their immigration cases.

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I take that back, even stronger position, atheistic about your assertion. Not for one second do I believe the Trump administration micro manages boarder security.

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That's weird, he's spent months micromanaging this issue to the point of shutting down the government and falsely declaring it a national emergency (lets not forget imprisoning a bunch of children separately from their parents).

He's actually mis-managing it if you want to get the point exactly. Asserting that the only way to deal with the migrants is to abuse them or put up a big fat wall.

When this is described in news articles, it sounds like these people are essentially presenting themselves at the border; not that they are sneaking in. Nothing that a wall will help with.

Maybe he should raise taxes to pay for proper infrastructure for that particular agency.

Apologetic_Warrior said:

Maybe do a little research on the history of declared National Emergencies?

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Of this declared NE? There is nothing to support it.

EastCoastRemnant said:

Hahaha... that funny... how do you ascertain the trend of crossings if not by the amount you are apprehending? Or are you saying that they are tracking the exact number coming across and only decide to catch so many?

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You are now questioning your own numbers?

Crossings are at historic lows.

You cannot refute that with real numbers.

JacobKStarkey said:

You are now questioning your own numbers?

Crossings are at historic lows.

You cannot refute that with real numbers.

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It's interesting that most search results only give border crossings up to the year 2016/17... there was indeed a significant drop during that time as people understood there was a new Sheriff in town and the threats of getting tough on illegals was enough to give illegals pause. However if you look at the numbers since 2017, the numbers have began to increase to where, this year, they are at recent historic highs. Here are the numbers up until Feb of this year.... notice the trend. Still think there's no crisis at the border?

Apologetic_Warrior said:

Maybe do a little research on the history of declared National Emergencies?

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Perhaps you can cite a National Emergency wherein the POTUS requested funding from Congress for x action, was denied and then declared a National Emergency to get his way?

EastCoastRemnant said:

It's interesting that most search results only give border crossings up to the year 2016/17... there was indeed a significant drop during that time as people understood there was a new Sheriff in town and the threats of getting tough on illegals was enough to give illegals pause. However if you look at the numbers since 2017, the numbers have began to increase to where, this year, they are at recent historic highs. Here are the numbers up until Feb of this year.... notice the trend. Still think there's no crisis at the border?

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...got back to 2000.

What has changed is the type of illegal immigrant. The border patrol of 2010 dealt with single young men migrating north to work. Today, they are dealing with women and children turning themselves in....

wing2000 said:

...got back to 2000.

What has changed is the type of illegal immigrant. The border patrol of 2010 dealt with single young men migrating north to work. Today, they are dealing with women and children turning themselves in....

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Your obfuscating... either there is a trend in illegals crossings on the rise significantly or there's not.

EastCoastRemnant said:

Your obfuscating... either there is a trend in illegals crossings on the rise significantly or there's not.

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I agree with this statement:

However if you look at the numbers since 2017, the numbers have began to increase to where, this year, they are at recent historic highs.

...and was suggesting to get the complete picture, go back to the early 2000's .

There is a significant increase in the number of people applying for asylum - both at the port of entries and illegally crossing the border and turning themselves in.

The question is, how does the US Government effectively deal with that problem?

Walls will not do it.

wing2000 said:

I agree with this statement:

However if you look at the numbers since 2017, the numbers have began to increase to where, this year, they are at recent historic highs.

...and was suggesting to get the complete picture, go back to the early 2000's .

There is a significant increase in the number of people applying for asylum - both at the port of entries and illegally crossing the border and turning themselves in.

The question is, how does the US Government effectively deal with that problem?

Walls will not do it.

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They won't hurt... look the US gives 10's of billions of dollars to other countries to help sort out their messes... every year. The cost of the wall is a one time expenditure that will have lasting economic benefits for US taxpayers.

EastCoastRemnant said:

It's interesting that most search results only give border crossings up to the year 2016/17... there was indeed a significant drop during that time as people understood there was a new Sheriff in town and the threats of getting tough on illegals was enough to give illegals pause. However if you look at the numbers since 2017, the numbers have began to increase to where, this year, they are at recent historic highs. Here are the numbers up until Feb of this year.... notice the trend. Still think there's no crisis at the border?

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So you used the word "historic highs" there. And yet you BARELY have the data going back to when my son was born.
He's 4.

How do you define historic? Older than, say, a pair of socks?

"recent historic highs" is still very low in context to the last forty years.