Noahide Buddhism and Hinduism

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the foundation of zen is practice. i have practiced zen quite a while and couldn't even tell you the name of any zen scriptures.

What is the foundation of your practice? Your own wisdom and nothing else?
Critical thinking is important. But you must have some information to think about.
 
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I just sit.

That defeats the purpose of the practice.

If you really do that (I don't believe one can start to think with a blank background), you are likely to invent your own religion. But it is still based on your past experience and knowledge. I have a few friends who do the same (they do not just sit) and they came up with weird theology. When the person die, his theology vanished too. I believe this situation happened numerous times in the past.

Zen in Buddhism is based on Buddhism scriptures.
 
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invent your own religion

no interest in doing that. but if you mean follow my own path, then that's ok. i don't think anyone should follow the path of another.

I have a few friends who do the same (they do not just sit) and they came up with weird theology

if i come up with a theology of my own, i am not doing zazen correctly.

When the person die, his theology vanished too.

if i'm dead i really wouldn't care. and in truth, a person's own theology should stay their own. people shouldn't share theologies.
 
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if i'm dead i really wouldn't care. and in truth, a person's own theology should stay their own. people shouldn't share theologies.

This is a typical idea in Buddhism, which is only partially right.
You have your own path, that is alright. BUT, you do know the origin of your path, right? It is not a thing out of the blue. The origin is NOT yours.
 
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This is a typical idea in Buddhism, which is only partially right.
You have your own path, that is alright. BUT, you do know the origin of your path, right? It is not a thing out of the blue. The origin is NOT yours.

I don't really worry about it as I don't consider myself a Buddhist. Maybe I am because I do zazen, but that's the extent of it.

In regards to origins, I don't consider a practice as something that can only be mine, as many paths share a practice. Prayer is a practice, but it's not confined to any one path. Path does not equal practice.
 
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I don't really worry about it as I don't consider myself a Buddhist. Maybe I am because I do zazen, but that's the extent of it.

In regards to origins, I don't consider a practice as something that can only be mine, as many paths share a practice. Prayer is a practice, but it's not confined to any one path. Path does not equal practice.

According to what you said, I think you do create your own religion. Do you know anybody else who believes the same doctrine as you do?
 
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According to what you said, I think you do create your own religion. Do you know anybody else who believes the same doctrine as you do?

Really I don't think it matters either way; a religion's truth claims or non-religion's truth claims don't hinge on its popularity.
 
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Really I don't think it matters either way; a religion's truth claims or non-religion's truth claims don't hinge on its popularity.

It matters. If you are the only one who believes a unique version of theology, chances are, you are wrong and the theology would have more holes than material. Nevertheless, it does not matter, since you are the only one affected.
 
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Personally, I don't care about the Noahide Laws or Christianity, one way or another. But, the judgement in the Acts came from somewhere and people who made that judgement, if they were proper Jews, would have consulted the Torah- the only Scripture available at the time. That's why their opinion is so strikingly similar to the Noahide commandments because they obtained it in the same place as today's Jewish proponents of the Noahide Laws.
I can agree with that they both found it in the same place. I just believe that the Noahide laws have drifted from original concepts that were held. My reason for such a conclusion is due to Noahide laws not fitting in with major Christian theological/philosophical points. Given that neither of us were there at that time to know the specific origins, and no such evidence for either view exists, I think I'll just have to disagree and leave it at that.

But I was originally simply showing that it is irrational for a Christian to believe in the Noahide laws. Since you have no interest in Christianity, I wouldn't expect you to understand why it can't fit within the faith no more than a non-Jew can be expected to understand Judaism and what fits within theological framework of Judaism.
 
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According to what you said, I think you do create your own religion.

I don't think so but don't really care either way.

Do you know anybody else who believes the same doctrine as you do?

My only 'spiritual' practice is zazen. My only belief is agnostic. So probably. I am quite certain there are other agnostics out there that do zazen.
 
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I don't think so but don't really care either way.
My only 'spiritual' practice is zazen. My only belief is agnostic. So probably. I am quite certain there are other agnostics out there that do zazen.

Can not find a target on you. Wherever I shoot, there is, or is not a resistance.
That is not good.
 
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Buddhism is not a way for salvation, it lacks system of sacrifice, which can only be accomplished by Christ. I need go back to Jesus Christ and his Church. I have offended God. Sorry if I have hurt some Christians’ heart, May God forgive me.

Can Administrator close this thread please?
 
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Buddhism is not a way for salvation, it lacks system of sacrifice, which can only be accomplished by Christ. I need go back to Jesus Christ and his Church. I have offended God. Sorry if I have hurt some Christians’ heart, May God forgive me.

Can Administrator close this thread please?
You've done nothing wrong.
There's no harm -- and much to be gained -- by examining
what we believe from time to time. This Christianity & World
Religion subforum is the perfect place to do that.
 
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I can agree with that they both found it in the same place. I just believe that the Noahide laws have drifted from original concepts that were held. My reason for such a conclusion is due to Noahide laws not fitting in with major Christian theological/philosophical points. Given that neither of us were there at that time to know the specific origins, and no such evidence for either view exists, I think I'll just have to disagree and leave it at that.

But I was originally simply showing that it is irrational for a Christian to believe in the Noahide laws. Since you have no interest in Christianity, I wouldn't expect you to understand why it can't fit within the faith no more than a non-Jew can be expected to understand Judaism and what fits within theological framework of Judaism.
Seriously, without prejudice, as pious Jews-as the Chiristian texts maintain they were- assuming the Torah's origin of their judgement is the safest bet in the world. I perfectly well understand the reasons for the rejection of the Noahide Laws.
 
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