AOC says state of America is "garbage"

EastCoastRemnant · Mar 10, 2019

FreeinChrist said:
During Obama's presidency, the unaccompanied children were placed in custody so they could be matched with family or someone to look after them. They were not yanked from their parents when they were 9 month old, or a toddler, or young child. Not mention how they did it without planning for reunification with the parents. That was ungodly.

Still no culpability for the parents eh?

I DO read my Bible. And I read:

Mat 7:12

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“In everything, therefore, [fn]treat people the same way you want [fn]them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

I agree... when people break laws, I expect them to be held accountable just as I would be if I broke a countries law. It seems to me the Israelits were always in a heap of trouble for breaking God's Laws... I think laws are important to Him.

Mat 25:35

‘For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;
Mat 25:36

naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’
Mat 25:37

Notice it doesn't say "I was hungry, so I broke into your house to eat, Lacked opportunity, so I illegally broke into your country.

“Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink?
Mat 25:38

‘And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?
Mat 25:39

‘When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’
Mat 25:40

“The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’}
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I am all for allowing people from all around the world to immigrate, legally, unless they truly face persecution and death, which we know is not the case with most illegals.

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Again, seeking asylum is not against the law. They can cross the border and seek asylum. They might be turned down by a court eventually, but they can cross and seek it.

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And there in lies the rub... most disappear into the vapour. Even if they get caught, they are released back into the country and not deported.

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FreeinChrist · Mar 10, 2019

EastCoastRemnant said:
Still no culpability for the parents eh?

I agree... when people break laws, I expect them to be held accountable just as I would be if I broke a countries law. It seems to me the Israelits were always in a heap of trouble for breaking God's Laws... I think laws are important to Him.

If the parents are seeking asylum, there is no culpability. It is legal to seek asylum and to enter the country to do that. Look up the law.

There is no excuse for kidnapping. THAT is breaking God's law.

FreeinChrist · Mar 10, 2019

EastCoastRemnant said:
Great point... good thing Trump is repatriating manufacturing jobs. Have you looked at how well the steel industry is doing right now?

Outlook of Steel Industry - 2019 -

How is coal?

ArmenianJohn · Mar 10, 2019

EastCoastRemnant said:
Wow... for such a bad place to have to live, I'm surprised you haven't immigrated someplace better...

better yet, skip the whole application process and just show up unannounced and put down roots. I hear Venezuela is lovely this time of year...

Never said it was "such a bad place" but that doesn't mean it is so great and can't be improved, either. But I was only talking about the fact that it's not a very Christian country these days. Only nominally Christian, in fact. And I can't "immigrate" someplace else, I would have to emigrate. And who knows, that may happen some day, but I doubt it.

The whole world is under Satan's influence, no countries are absolutely better than America. The difference is that I am familiar with my country and can criticize it and as a Christian I should be critical of it. I'm also not under the trance that many (most?) Americans are under that America is something so special or that we are so good and pure.

But it's interesting that you decided (wisely) not to try to refute anything I said and instead tried to dodge and deflect with a strawman about Venezuela. Venezuela is a country that is coincidentally being attacked by the US through sanctions where our nation is trying to cause people to starve in that country, including children, all because America is attempting a coup to get "our guy" in there so we can get their oil. America harming innocents for oil...what else is new?

ArmenianJohn · Mar 10, 2019

EastCoastRemnant said:
Still no culpability for the parents eh?

Seeking asylum is not against the law so of course there's no culpabiity for the parents.

The question to ask YOU is "still no culpability for Trump and all his henchmen, eh?" They're the ones breaking the law and doing egregious sins against God.

usexpat97 · Mar 10, 2019

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Still no culpability for the parents eh?
Seeking asylum is not against the law so of course there's no culpabiity for the parents.

Canada has some experience with granting asylum to people.

SinoBen · Mar 10, 2019

Speedwell said:
If you are talking about the Constitution, it was founded on the values of Enlightenment rationalism. If "Judeo-Christian" values also informed its composition they were most certainly not the divisive, ugly and unAmerican values of today's Christian Right.

What is your definition or concept of "Christian Right"? Give some examples. I certainly do not see anything like that although I am observing from a distant land.

Ana the Ist · Mar 11, 2019

Speedwell said:
Did you read the article? She says "America has moved away from what it should be." I agree with her. America has moved away from our core values as it falls increasingly under the influence of right-wing religious radicalism.

Where are you seeing this increasing "right wing religious radicalism"?

As far as I've seen...we're moving away from religious extremism.

KCfromNC · Mar 11, 2019

mark46 said:
Democrats can continue to praise AOC without reservation.

Uh, it isn't democrats creating all these threads talking about her.

This will lead to losing the WH in 2020, and perhaps the House (and certainly not winning the Senate).

AOC is a socialist and proud of it, and yes her brand of socialism is the "democratic socialism" of present day Europe rather than than the socialism of the dictatorships. Democratic socialism is NOT a slogan. It is a set of ideas and a platform. AOC wants workers to control boards Of Directors (certainly they need to be on the boards). He views of Medicare for All or a Green New Deal are NOT that these are aspirational goals. She detests moderates and moderation; she wants radical changes NOW.

As is Sanders, AOC is a democratic socialist who has been accepted within the Democratic Party. [Sanders had to officially join in order to run; he'll go back to being an Independent when he loses]. AOC says that it is democratic socialism that it at the core of the beliefs of the Democratic Party. Trump folk and the conservatives (2 different groups) would gleefully agree.

The reality is that we have what was an Independent movement for 100 years taking over a large segment of the Democratic Party.

As I have suggested, the Democrats are likely to nominate someone from this group in 2020.
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The "REAL" tests will come in 2024 and 2028 for both parties, as they come to grips with the changes in demography and deal with the extremes that have taken over their parties.

As I have suggested, a really strong option for the Republican Party is for trump to announce, after his White House Christmas parry, that he has decided not to run for re-election. Republicans would easily be elected for 8 more years, under a Haley or a Rubio, after they defeat a left wing Democratic candidate.

It is a good thing SOCIALIST! isn't on the list for the drinking game. I mean, we don't even have universal heath insurance in this country, imagine the potential damage.

Aryeh Jay · Mar 11, 2019

KCfromNC said:
It is a good thing SOCIALIST! isn't on the list for the drinking game. I mean, we don't even have universal heath insurance in this country, imagine the potential damage.

Yeah, like having only eight nuclear aircraft carriers instead of eleven.

KCfromNC · Mar 11, 2019

Aryeh Jay said:
Yeah, like having only eight nuclear aircraft carriers instead of eleven.

I was more concerned about the damage to people's livers if they had to drink every time someone on the right brought up SOCIALISM! as a scare tactic. But what you said as well.

mark46 · Mar 11, 2019

You can continue to make fun of the US electorate who doesn't want a candidate that self identifies as a socialist or a democratic socialist as their president.

That does NOT mean that these same voters don't want universal access to a affordable healthcare or a $15 minimum wage. It is does NOT mean that these votes don't want to strengthen Social Security, Medicare, enviro-inmental protection, and voting rights.

KCfromNC said:
Uh, it isn't democrats creating all these threads talking about her.

It is a good thing SOCIALIST! isn't on the list for the drinking game. I mean, we don't even have universal heath insurance in this country, imagine the potential damage.

Speedwell · Mar 11, 2019

SinoBen said:
What is your definition or concept of "Christian Right"? Give some examples. I certainly do not see anything like that although I am observing from a distant land.

The right-wing, mostly Evangelical Protestant supporters of the current administration. I gather that you have your on version of it down there in Oz, called Rise Up Australia.
Christian right - Wikipedia

Speedwell · Mar 11, 2019

Ana the Ist said:
Where are you seeing this increasing "right wing religious radicalism"?

As far as I've seen...we're moving away from religious extremism.

Moving away? Trump's Evangelical base seems pretty firm.

TLK Valentine · Mar 11, 2019

Speedwell said:
Moving away? Trump's Evangelical base seems pretty firm.

They're bringing him their Bibles to grace with his signature... they're "firm" insofar as they know whose feet to fall at.

Shiloh Raven · Mar 11, 2019

Speedwell said:
Moving away? Trump's Evangelical base seems pretty firm.

I think you're right.

(1) Trump bragged about groping multiple women and his evangelical supporters were like meh.

(2) He's in his third marriage to his former mistress and his evangelical supporters are like meh.

(3) He paid off a inappropriate content star to silence her and his evangelical supporters were like meh.

(4) He bragged about watching teenage girls and women getting undressed during beauty pageants just because he could and his evangelical supporters were like meh.

(5) He joked about dating his daughter, Ivanka, if she wasn't his daughter and he agreed with Stern that she's a piece of [profane word] and his evangelical supporters were like meh.

(6) He used profanity to express his disgust of the African-American NFL players who knelt peacefully during the national anthem and his evangelical supporters were like meh.

(7) He used profanity to express his disgust concerning immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and other parts of Africa coming into America and his evangelical supporters were like meh.

(8) He scammed people out of their money with his phony university scam and was forced to pay a $25,000 million dollar settlement and his evangelical supporters were like meh.

And their immediate and ad nauseam reaction to all of the depraved and immoral behavior of Donald Trump has always been this feeble deflection of "but... but... Hillary!" or "but... but... Bill Clinton!" or "but... but... Obama!" It's become perfectly clear that Trump obviously gets a free pass from his loyal evangelical conservative supporters, no matter what foul and unchristian thing he says or does.

TLK Valentine · Mar 11, 2019

Shiloh Raven said:
I think you're right.

(1) Trump bragged about groping multiple women and his evangelical supporters were like meh.

(2) He's in his third marriage to his former mistress and his evangelical supporters are like meh.

(3) He paid off a inappropriate content star to silence her and his evangelical supporters were like meh.

(4) He bragged about watching teenage girls and women getting undressed during beauty pageants just because he could and his evangelical supporters were like meh.

(5) He joked about dating his daughter, Ivanka, if she wasn't his daughter and he agreed with Stern that she's a piece of [profane word] and his evangelical supporters were like meh.

(6) He used profanity to express his disgust of the African-American NFL players who knelt peacefully during the national anthem and his evangelical supporters were like meh.

(7) He used profanity to express his disgust concerning immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and other parts of Africa coming into America and his evangelical supporters were like meh.

(8) He scammed people out of their money with his phony university scam and was forced to pay a $25,000 million dollar settlement and his evangelical supporters were like meh.

And their immediate and ad nauseam reaction to all of the depraved and immoral behavior of Donald Trump has always been this feeble deflection of "but... but... Hillary!" or "but... but... Bill Clinton!" or "but... but... Obama!" It's become perfectly clear that Trump obviously gets a free pass from his loyal evangelical conservative supporters, no matter what foul and unchristian thing he says or does.

What's funny is that for any other idol, they'd just say, "well, he repented!" and no harm, no foul.

Donald doesn't even need to repent -- they love him as he is, for who he is...

KCfromNC · Mar 12, 2019

mark46 said:
You can continue to make fun of the US electorate

I don't remember even mentioning the US electorate. Perhaps you meant to respond to someone else?

Shiloh Raven · Mar 12, 2019

TLK Valentine said:
What's funny is that for any other idol, they'd just say, "well, he repented!" and no harm, no foul.

Donald doesn't even need to repent -- they love him as he is, for who he is...

He initially said he has never asked God for the forgiveness of his sins, but then a short time after he changed his story and said he doesn't like to ask for forgiveness. He also asked the question of why he needs to repent and ask for forgiveness if he's not making mistakes. He doesn't think he's a sinner.

Trump on God: 'I don't like to have to ask for forgiveness'

Trump: I’ve Never Asked God For Forgiveness For Anything [VIDEO]

Trump: 'Why Do I Have to Repent or Ask for Forgiveness If I Am Not Making Mistakes?' (Video)

Ana the Ist · Mar 12, 2019

Speedwell said:
Moving away? Trump's Evangelical base seems pretty firm.

Lol evangelicals???

Why millennials are really leaving religion (it’s not just politics, folks) - Religion News Service

Are Young People Really Leaving Christianity? | Cold Case Christianity

"The number of people who identify as “Evangelical” has remained somewhat steady during this time frame, at approximately 29%. The number of people who identify as having a “Non-Evangelical” affiliation is down from approximately 66% to 51%. The number of people who say they have no religious affiliation is up from approximately 8% to 23% during this same time frame."

Soooo....Christians leaving the church in droves. Evangelicals arguably haven't seen the decrease, but they certainly haven't increased. The only denomination I've seen increasing are the Catholics....and that's because about 95% of illegal immigrants are Catholics.

So if you think there's some "increasing right wing religious radicalism" you're just wrong.

Perhaps you should reevaluate where the left is failing.

AOC says state of America is "garbage"

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