House votes in favor of illegal immigrant voting

It's not going to happen anytime soon. But it's coming.

FireDragon76 said:

I'm sure it's more complicated than that.

It already is illegal for non-citizens to vote in federal elections, but not other elections, necessarily. The question is how do we enforce that in a way that is fair and does not unduely target minority groups.

I don't see the problem with a state permitting uncodumented immigrants and non-citizen residents voting in select cases, such as for a school board. It is a local or regional response to local needs. I thought Republicans believed in states rights?

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They are not citizens and broke the law. Calling them undocumented instead of illegal doesn't change anything.

NW82 said:

They are not citizens and broke the law.

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Many of them committed no crime at all. It is not a crime to be in the United States illegally. I'm opposed to letting non-citizens vote for political offices. School districts might be interested in what the parents of children think, although I'd be in favor of a poll, rather than let them vote.

In the early years of our nation, that was less of an issue; apparently, a number of states did allow non-citizens to vote.

Historically, over 40 states or territories, including colonies before the Declaration of Independence, have at some time given at least some aliens voting rights in some or all elections. For example, in 1875, the Supreme Court in Minor v. Happersett noted that "citizenship has not in all cases been made a condition precedent to the enjoyment of the right of suffrage. Thus, in Missouri, persons of foreign birth, who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, may under certain circumstances vote."
Right of foreigners to vote in the United States - Wikipedia

NW82 said:

They are not citizens and broke the law. Calling them undocumented instead of illegal doesn't change anything.

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It's not illegal for non-citizens to vote. It's only illegal in federal elections.

Yarddog said:

It's illegal for them to vote but there has been places that have looked into allowing them to vote on local issues in sanctuary cities.

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That sounds like a conservative principle in many ways, compatible with the Catholic concept of subsidiarity. Local issues should be handled locally, whenever possible.

FireDragon76 said:

That sounds like a conservative principle in many ways,

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If it is a conservative principle why are conservatives trying to stop it? Politicians are hypocrites. They wave the Constitution around when it fits their issue but ignore it when it doesn't.

Yarddog said:

It's illegal for them to vote but there has been places that have looked into allowing them to vote on local issues in sanctuary cities.

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Legal immigrants, non- citizens. Legal. Not those who are here illegally.
The GOP is trying to twist this into an issue , when it's been status quo for many years.

FenderTL5 said:

Legal immigrants, non- citizens. Legal. Not those who are here illegally.
The GOP is trying to twist this into an issue , when it's been status quo for many years.

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There is nothing illegal about a community making it legal for those in their community to vote on community issues.

FireDragon76 said:

It's not illegal for non-citizens to vote. It's only illegal in federal elections.

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Over staying a VISA, or entering the country illegally is ILLEGAL.

NW82 said:

Over staying a VISA, or entering the country illegally is ILLEGAL.

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You are aware that there are lots of immigrant, non citizens who are here legally, right?

Yarddog said:

There is nothing illegal about a community making it legal for those in their community to vote on community issues.

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Agree. And there are lots of immigrants, non citizens, who are here legally. They've been allowed to vote in some local elections for many years. This ain't new.
It's not about illegal immigrants.

NW82 said:

Over staying a VISA, or entering the country illegally is ILLEGAL.

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And if states want to allow people who are here illegally to vote in local elections, that's on them. That's federalism in action.

redleghunter said:

House votes in favor of illegal immigrant voting
By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Friday, March 8, 2019
House Democrats voted Friday to defend localities that allow illegal immigrants to vote in their elections, turning back a GOP attempt to discourage the practice.

The vote marks a stunning reversal from just six months ago, when the chamber — then under GOP control — voted to decry illegal immigrant voting.

“We are prepared to open up the political process and let all of the people come in,” Rep. John Lewis, a Georgia Democrat and hero of the civil rights movement, told colleagues as he led opposition to the GOP measure.

House votes in favor of illegal immigrant voting - Washington Times

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How can it be surpising that the Dems need voters and won't be limited in their pursuit of victory?

Arcangl86 said:

And if states want to allow people who are here illegally to vote in local elections, that's on them. That's federalism in action.

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Doesn't change the fact that the actions of those individuals are illegal.

FenderTL5 said:

You are aware that there are lots of immigrant, non citizens who are here legally, right?

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Irrelevant to the OP's point, as they specifically called out illegal immigrants. However to your point they aren't citizens of the United States, a sovereign nation, therefore have no rights to vote under the constitution.

FenderTL5 said:

Agree. And there are lots of immigrants, non citizens, who are here legally. They've been allowed to vote in some local elections for many years. This ain't new.
It's not about illegal immigrants.

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The GOP wants to make it about illegal immigrants.

redleghunter said:

House votes in favor of illegal immigrant voting
By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Friday, March 8, 2019
House Democrats voted Friday to defend localities that allow illegal immigrants to vote in their elections, turning back a GOP attempt to discourage the practice.

The vote marks a stunning reversal from just six months ago, when the chamber — then under GOP control — voted to decry illegal immigrant voting.

“We are prepared to open up the political process and let all of the people come in,” Rep. John Lewis, a Georgia Democrat and hero of the civil rights movement, told colleagues as he led opposition to the GOP measure.

House votes in favor of illegal immigrant voting - Washington Times

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Hi RLH,

That's not exactly what the vote was about. The GOP had introduced a bill to 'condemn' localities that allowed illegal immigrants to vote. It was a matter of absolutely no weight or measure. The condemnation would merely have been a paper notice that the GOP didn't agree with illegal immigrants voting. The house did not vote to 'defend' illegal immigrant voting. The House voted not to condemn the government localities that chose not to enforce illegal immigrant voting. The two aren't exactly one and the same. But, there are certainly people who would rather read what they think is being said rather than actually listening to what is being said.

So, what the Democrats did was to choose not to throw condemnation at these localities. It already is against the law for non-citizens to vote and this 'notice of condemnation' wouldn't have meant a thing. Maybe the truth is that the Democratic party would really rather not join in playing in the reindeer games that the GOP apparently wants to play.

This issue is much like the 'English is the official language' fight. It's fine to say that English is the official language of the U.S., but what is that really going to mean for people that don't speak English. Are we going to send all of the French back to France? Are we going to make it then illegal for localities to speak creole on the islands of South Carolina. Will we imprison all of those who speak Louisiana Creole French? Shall we deport 90% of the U.S. citizens living in Little Haiti and Hialeah? Where are we going to find enough crop pickers if we deport everyone living in Belle Glade, FL?

So, the Democratic party, knowing, I believe, that this issue was just going to make hard feelings among the citizenry for no particular good purpose that wasn't going to mean anything decided that no, we're not going to play that game with you guys. There are already laws on the books to prevent non-citizens from voting and if a given locality doesn't want to enforce that law, then that's their choice. This is the very same thing we're having today with marijuana laws. It's still a federal crime to smoke or sell or distribute marijuana and everyone who does so is subject to arrest under federal statutes. However, we have now about 15 states that just say, Uh, well, we're not going to enforce that particular law.

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Apparently Republicans are only for states rights when it comes to issue they agree with.

NW82 said:

Over staying a VISA, or entering the country illegally is ILLEGAL.

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Not all non-citizens are here illegally. Some are legal residents.

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