Beware the False. The devil in angels clothing.

Alithis · Mar 9, 2019

The lord woke me the other night with the words of warning.
"Any teaching that excludes the Holy spirit in any point is NOT of the HOLY SPIRIT. But of the spirit of anti christ.

No matter how much wonderful sounding truth is preached.if it leads to the point where UNBELIEF is presented as the right way.
That person is speaking by the spirit of antichrist
The holy spirit cannot lead to a sin
Or a lie
Or a doubt
Or an unbelief.
The Holy spirit takes what is of God and gives it to the believer.

Any teaching that ultimately leads to a cessation of this flow of life.. Is of satan.

What they preach remains of flesh and sin.no matter how wonderfully right it may sound. It is a SETUP to lead to a lie.
Meaning all they say is to be discarded and they are not to be listened too.

Dave G. · Mar 9, 2019

Discerning the spirits from the Spirit is getting to be a bigger and bigger en-devour and it will get worse.
Truth is hard to come by anymore.

Lost4words · Mar 9, 2019

Seems like every other person these days speaks to God or has messages from him! :doh:

Not David · Mar 9, 2019

Alithis said:
The lord woke me the other night with the words of warning.
"Any teaching that excludes the Holy spirit in any point is NOT of the HOLY SPIRIT. But of the spirit of anti christ.

No matter how much wonderful sounding truth is preached.if it leads to the point where UNBELIEF is presented as the right way.
That person is speaking by the spirit of antichrist
The holy spirit cannot lead to a sin
Or a lie
Or a doubt
Or an unbelief.
The Holy spirit takes what is of God and gives it to the believer.

Any teaching that ultimately leads to a cessation of this flow of life.. Is of satan.

What they preach remains of flesh and sin.no matter how wonderfully right it may sound. It is a SETUP to lead to a lie.
Meaning all they say is to be discarded and they are not to be listened too.

Did he talk to you personally? How did he sound like?

Presbyterian Continuist · Mar 9, 2019

Alithis said:
The lord woke me the other night with the words of warning.
"Any teaching that excludes the Holy spirit in any point is NOT of the HOLY SPIRIT. But of the spirit of anti christ.

No matter how much wonderful sounding truth is preached.if it leads to the point where UNBELIEF is presented as the right way.
That person is speaking by the spirit of antichrist
The holy spirit cannot lead to a sin
Or a lie
Or a doubt
Or an unbelief.
The Holy spirit takes what is of God and gives it to the believer.

Any teaching that ultimately leads to a cessation of this flow of life.. Is of satan.

What they preach remains of flesh and sin.no matter how wonderfully right it may sound. It is a SETUP to lead to a lie.
Meaning all they say is to be discarded and they are not to be listened too.

If something is preached as truth, and it supports antinomianism (we are saved by grace so we can sin as much as we like), then that preaching is not true but is a lie. But if preaching points people to Christ as the only foundation for faith, then it is the truth.

Unbelief is an act of the will. It involves in deciding not to believe what God says in His Word. If a preacher preaches that divine healing is not for today or that all it needs to be saved is to be baptised as a child, then the preaching is a lie and encourages people to believe the lie. People then have the choice whether to believe the preaching or not. The preaching may encourage the lie, but unbelief in those areas is an act of the will on the part of the hearers.

But doubt is another matter altogether. Doubt is like a bird landing on your head. You can wipe it off and it will fly away again. But if you let it stay and it builds a nest in your hair, then it turns to unbelief because you have allowed the doubt to become unbelief.

I note that you have made a number of generalizations without actually specifying anything in particular. Just because someone gets up and preaches something which doesn't agree with one's theology, doesn't mean that they are preaching a lie and are of Satan. Their theology may be soundly based on God's Word and it may be that my theology could be shonky and should be amended to harmonize with God's word.

devin553344 · Mar 9, 2019

God speaks to me too. I'm glad you get messages from God, it can be a real faith building experience. It can also be a trial in discernment of the spirits too as Dave G pointed out.

hhodgson · Mar 10, 2019

Alithis said:
The lord woke me the other night with the words of warning.
"Any teaching that excludes the Holy spirit in any point is NOT of the HOLY SPIRIT. But of the spirit of anti christ.

No matter how much wonderful sounding truth is preached.if it leads to the point where UNBELIEF is presented as the right way.
That person is speaking by the spirit of antichrist
The holy spirit cannot lead to a sin
Or a lie
Or a doubt
Or an unbelief.
The Holy spirit takes what is of God and gives it to the believer.

Any teaching that ultimately leads to a cessation of this flow of life.. Is of satan.

What they preach remains of flesh and sin.no matter how wonderfully right it may sound. It is a SETUP to lead to a lie. Meaning all they say is to be discarded and they are not to be listened too.

Alithis, very well said... and with the right timing, for timing as we know it... is shortening. (I'm from another forum (WOF) and apologize if I'm intruding.)

Be Blessed...

Harry

Alithis · Mar 10, 2019

Lost4words said:
Seems like every other person these days speaks to God or has messages from him!

my sheep HEAR my voice and i know them and they follow me.
Its not like i was trying lol
I was asleep .
However. The scripture already warns of such things.
The point is many people say throw out the bad and keep the good...
This however is not wise because by much clever monologue they lead people astray.

Always test what one believes God has spoken to ones heart
We are never to speak from our own imaginings

Alithis · Mar 10, 2019

hhodgson said:
Alithis, very well said... and with the right timing, for timing as we know it... is shortening. (I'm from another forum (WOF) and apologize if I'm intruding.)

Be Blessed...

Harry

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Well i cant say im wof. There are to many
Misunderstandings in perception of what faith is.
I know that faith is the obedient Action one takes based upon what one truly believes.
Faith without obedient action does not exist.
So just saying i believe so i have ..is not obedient action.
But... This forum is not denominationally specific.
So anyone who believes in the Penticostal experience of the baptism.of the Holy Spirit and associated attributes is welcome to post here.
And its a safe haven away from lying cessationist doctrines.

Alithis · Mar 10, 2019

Oscarr said:
If something is preached as truth, and it supports antinomianism (we are saved by grace so we can sin as much as we like), then that preaching is not true but is a lie. But if preaching points people to Christ as the only foundation for faith, then it is the truth.

Unbelief is an act of the will. It involves in deciding not to believe what God says in His Word. If a preacher preaches that divine healing is not for today or that all it needs to be saved is to be baptised as a child, then the preaching is a lie and encourages people to believe the lie. People then have the choice whether to believe the preaching or not. The preaching may encourage the lie, but unbelief in those areas is an act of the will on the part of the hearers.

But doubt is another matter altogether. Doubt is like a bird landing on your head. You can wipe it off and it will fly away again. But if you let it stay and it builds a nest in your hair, then it turns to unbelief because you have allowed the doubt to become unbelief.

I note that you have made a number of generalizations without actually specifying anything in particular. Just because someone gets up and preaches something which doesn't agree with one's theology, doesn't mean that they are preaching a lie and are of Satan. Their theology may be soundly based on God's Word and it may be that my theology could be shonky and should be amended to harmonize with God's word.

Oh dont get me wrong
The truth of the word remains the truth of the word.
But the monologue of the speaker who gains a large following and then leads them to a lie is Not to be promoted or followed as a teacher.
The lord can use thier words when they repeat portions of truth to convict a hearer. But people must not be fooled into then following all they say.

When paul speaks of peoples cumningly crafted words to decieve.. The term he uses is one of Monologue
I.e. one man speaking for a long period unchallanged.
The standard Sunday practice.

In the book of Acts we see in gatherings dialogue Not monologue.

Alithis · Mar 10, 2019

Oscarr said:
I note that you have made a number of generalizations without actually specifying anything in particular. Just because someone gets up and preaches something which doesn't agree with one's theology, doesn't mean that they are preaching a lie and are of Satan. Their theology may be soundly based on God's Word and it may be that my theology could be shonky and should be amended to harmonize with God's word.

Yes i generalized for good reason .
But this is not a matter of things agreeing with theology .
There are a flood now of lying spirits
The lord is warning us to have a stance of giving NO place to the devil. Instead of winking an eye at a lie just because the person speaks good sounding stuff most of the time.

Presbyterian Continuist · Mar 10, 2019

Alithis said:
Oh dont get me wrong
The truth of the word remains the truth of the word.
But the monologue of the speaker who gains a large following and then leads them to a lie is Not to be promoted or followed as a teacher.
The lord can use thier words when they repeat portions of truth to convict a hearer. But people must not be fooled into then following all they say.

When paul speaks of peoples cumningly crafted words to decieve.. The term he uses is one of Monologue
I.e. one man speaking for a long period unchallanged.
The standard Sunday practice.

In the book of Acts we see in gatherings dialogue Not monologue.

Who is "they"? Presumably you don't go to a church or take part in any Christian service that has a preacher. Perhaps you are one of those who has the attitude "no one understands the truth except God and me."

Presbyterian Continuist · Mar 10, 2019

Alithis said:
Yes i generalized for good reason .
But this is not a matter of things agreeing with theology .
There are a flood now of lying spirits
The lord is warning us to have a stance of giving NO place to the devil. Instead of winking an eye at a lie just because the person speaks good sounding stuff most of the time.

Reading and studying the Bible is a good start in identify between truth and error.

Alithis · Mar 10, 2019

Oscarr said:
Reading and studying the Bible is a good start in identify between truth and error.

Not without that same holy Spirit of truth it isn't

Without the holy spirit ,reading and studying scripture has led to churches murdering believers in Jesus.
This is why the reminding of this warning is so poignant

Alithis · Mar 10, 2019

Oscarr said:
Who is "they"? Presumably you don't go to a church or take part in any Christian service that has a preacher. Perhaps you are one of those who has the attitude "no one understands the truth except God and me."

They- refers to the ones who do that.
And no i havnt attended such systimized gathering in a long while. And the many that have come to faith i would never direct into those systems.
They would mostly only learn to sit on a seat sing songs and go home.

Alithis · Mar 12, 2019

There is a straight and NARROW way
The enemy ,by using the desires of the sinful flesh and unregenerate mind seeks to lead people to stray from it.
And always there are two steep ravines of destruction on either side.
Two opposing extremes .
We see it all the time .

The spiritual wickedness of the likes of the hebrew roots and HEBREW language only groups looking to drag people back under rule law and condemnation. VS the hypergrace anything goes group with adulterous members and practicing homosexual leaders.
Two extremes of evil the enemy wants to draw people into and off the narrow way of Holiness .

Then we have the two extremes ,one of which iv highlited as the Op topic
The extreme of cessationalism used by the devil to hinder the work of the HolySpirit wanting to glorify Jesus in peoples Lives
VS. The extreme Sensationist where everything has become about a carnally manifested experience.

Presbyterian Continuist · Mar 12, 2019

Alithis said:
There is a straight and NARROW way
The enemy ,by using the desires of the sinful flesh and unregenerate mind seeks to lead people to stray from it.
And always there are two steep ravines of destruction on either side.
Two opposing extremes .
We see it all the time .

The spiritual wickedness of the likes of the hebrew roots and HEBREW language only groups looking to drag people back under rule law and condemnation. VS the hypergrace anything goes group with adulterous members and practicing homosexual leaders.
Two extremes of evil the enemy wants to draw people into and off the narrow way of Holiness .

Then we have the two extremes ,one of which iv highlited as the Op topic
The extreme of cessationalism used by the devil to hinder the work of the HolySpirit wanting to glorify Jesus in peoples Lives
VS. The extreme Sensationist where everything has become about a carnally manifested experience.

So, what sort of an example are you setting so that you are representing Christ so that lost sinners are drawn to Him through your ministry and sharing of the gospel?

Are you not, with your comments putting a curse on the church around you with all its imperfections, faults and shortcoming? What do you think might happen if you wrote the names of all the church people you know in your diary and prayed God's blessing on them every day? Would that not lead you to see that the church bucket is half-full instead of half-empty?

Are you perfect? Have you never sinned? Because only a perfect, person who has never sinned in his life has the right to throw stones at other sinners in imperfect churches.

Alithis · Mar 13, 2019

Oscarr said:
So, what sort of an example are you setting so that you are representing Christ so that lost sinners are drawn to Him through your ministry and sharing of the gospel?

Are you not, with your comments putting a curse on the church around you with all its imperfections, faults and shortcoming? What do you think might happen if you wrote the names of all the church people you know in your diary and prayed God's blessing on them every day? Would that not lead you to see that the church bucket is half-full instead of half-empty?

Are you perfect? Have you never sinned? Because only a perfect, person who has never sinned in his life has the right to throw stones at other sinners in imperfect churches.

The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation .
Its an odd statment you ask .
For no curse is pronounced but that which is already there.the curse of Sin.
The Gospel is the good news of the way to be free.
But having been set free we fight for that freedom.not to drawn back into the very thing christ died to set us free from.
Walking after the intellect of the flesh (cessationism) is not of the Holy Spirit.
Walking after the senations of the flesh(carnality) is not of the Holy Spirit.

We are to test ourselves.
Most do one of either blindly and seldom enjoy being warned about it.

Presbyterian Continuist · Mar 13, 2019

Alithis said:
The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation .
Its an odd statment you ask .
For no curse is pronounced but that which is already there.the curse of Sin.
The Gospel is the good news of the way to be free.
But having been set free we fight for that freedom.not to drawn back into the very thing christ died to set us free from.
Walking after the intellect of the flesh (cessationism) is not of the Holy Spirit.
Walking after the senations of the flesh(carnality) is not of the Holy Spirit.

We are to test ourselves.
Most do one of either blindly and seldom enjoy being warned about it.

When you make criticising comments about a church or person you are effective pronouncing a curse on them. God told Abraham, who is the father of every Christian believer, "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you." So, if there are genuine Christian believers in the churches you are criticising, God has promised that He will curse anyone who curses them.

Because of your generalised criticising comments about churches, you could be cursing genuine believers in them, and putting yourself in danger of God placing and a curse on you until you repent and start blessing those churches.

Alithis · Mar 13, 2019

Oscarr said:
When you make criticising comments about a church or person you are effective pronouncing a curse on them. God told Abraham, who is the father of every Christian believer, "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you." So, if there are genuine Christian believers in the churches you are criticising, God has promised that He will curse anyone who curses them.

Because of your generalised criticising comments about churches, you could be cursing genuine believers in them, and putting yourself in danger of God placing and a curse on you until you repent and start blessing those churches.

When we a disallowed to bring correction to obvious error we have strayed far from truth indeed.

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