What do Democrats see in Ocasio-Cortez?

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So I think the news media, especially conservative media, pays more attention to her then a lot of Democrats. But even with that, she is getting some attention and I think it's a for a combination of factors.

I watch and read many outlets, and it's not just 'especially conservative media'. She came on the scene out of nowhere, and took over a what many felt was a 'protected' seat in her district. If the democrats aren't paying much attention to her? They need too. I think they are personally. They will use her, and will have to deal with the hot seat from her approaches. The Democrats always had something over the GOP, and that would be strong unity. It was a good advantage as well. In politics you always need that ace in the hole, and they have had that for a long time. She - along with some others - are starting to rip and tear that up a bit. Don't underestimate them NOT paying attention to that. They would be crazy if they didn't.

She's a young Latina in an organization that leans heavily towards old white men, she does have some radical ideas, but she's willing to put them out there. Her ideas are no more radical then some of the stuff Paul Ryan put out, but they are still out of the mainstream of Congressional thought even if younger Americans in general identify with some of them.

I'm not so sure about that. Ryan in many ways could roll with the political machine when he wanted to - had to, etc. She isn't going to, and that could be an issue for the unity I spoke about. That is where the Democrats hold their control.

Her ideas would be hard for the more centrist Democrats you have, and that also could cause some more cracks in the party that they can't afford right now. I'm not saying political parties don't need some shaking up, because they all do. They get fat and happy, and they need fresh blood.

She does touch the younger Americans, but both parties know they aren't the most stable and reliable voting block. Democrats want the rust belt back and in the meantime they can't afford to have cracks in the base in other areas - which she seems to be offending. Don't think the Democrats aren't paying attention to that - they learned (people hope) from the last election sometimes your dire hard supporters may turn on you.

And the third thing, which I think is truly what makes her stand out even among her fellow progressive millennial colleagues, is that she really has a mean social media game. She's really good on social media, and that is what her grassroots pays attention to. Honestly I doubt she would ever be interested in President, but I wouldn't be surprised if she tries to primary Schumer or Gilldebrand the next time they are up for reelection, assuming she's old enough.

In political years? It will be forever before she is old enough to even think about the Presidency. Things waffle way to much to even begin to think that far ahead. lol two weeks is a century in politics!

Her social media - among other things - are why the Democrats are paying attention to her. It's also why you seem meme's among other things pro and against her. When you hit the cover of magazines, SNL skits, etc? It's more than the conservative media that is paying the most attention. She needs to get used to the attacks and attention, and since she is young? She is having problems dealing with that. I can certainly understand why. It's incredibly mean and cruel today, but that is what makes the outlets money. It's not going away.

Many firebrands that came before her? They never did figure out that they must have more support than just her grassroots to gain any traction. I'm sure she doesn't fully feel that yet, but someone in her camp better be paying attention. Popularity of this sort can be very fickle in politics.
 
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We all have opinions and elbows, Aldebaran.

An opinion of Trump as president is not the equivalency of using the Nword.

Hate is hate and it is exactly the same if we want to play the race card, unless you believe black people need special protection against being criticized.

What was your opinion of Obama? What would I find if I retrieve your comments on him.

Why not do your own research and find out for yourself. This thread isn't about my opinion of Obama. It's about OAC.
 
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That certainly doesn't make it clean energy though, does it?

Not when using the Left's political definition of it. That seems to be all that matters to them.

Nuclear energy may not produce much in the way of emissions (it isn't zero BTW) but it does have the little problem with disposing of those spent fuel rods.

And how many solar panels does it take to match the power output of a nuclear reactor?
 
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What do Democrats see in Ocasio-Cortez?

The Republicans have had a lot of experience promoting false narratives to divert the American public's attention away from their prime agenda - helping themselves and their "rich" friends to get wealthier, at our expense!

Demonizing "Ocasio-Cortez" is a tacit admission that the Republicans know they can't run on their leadership in the White House, their dismal legislative record and their lack of substantive ideas to address the American public's top priorities -
1) affordable healthcare
2) climate change
3) income inequality
 
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The far right continues to hate and rage against those with whom they disagree. The far right accuses their opponents of doing what the far right does.

Is this someone on this thread you're referring to, or are you just stereotyping?
 
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helping themselves and their "rich" friends to get wealthier, at our expense!

Has the Republican Party stolen something from you? You should probably report it to the police...
 
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How do you figure? Usually, when anyone comes forth with an unworkable, poorly-thought out, unjust political scheme that would, if implemented, bankrupt the country, it does NOT get a polite examination.

In 2016, it got him elected president.

Instead, it is dismissed in no uncertain terms by responsible public figures from both parties.

It was. Unfortunately, there weren't that many of them.
 
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The far right continues to hate and rage against those with whom they disagree. The far right accuses their opponents of doing what the far right does.

Really? Let's take a look at the facts:
Democrats are the ones always screaming about Republicans being racist. The Democrats are the ones that claim to be so concerned about black rights and freedom, while accusing Republicans of being the ones that oppress them.

Fact: Democrats were the ones in the South who didn't want slavery abolished. Politics of Race: Democrat-slavery vs Republican-abolition
 
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What do Democrats see in Ocasio-Cortez?

The Republicans have had a lot of experience promoting false narratives to divert the American public's attention away from their prime agenda - helping themselves and their "rich" friends to get wealthier, at our expense!

I vote Republican. My income is just under $12,000 per year. What makes you think I care about making rich people wealthier at my expense?

Demonizing "Ocasio-Cortez" is a tacit admission that the Republicans know they can't run on their leadership in the White House, their dismal legislative record and their lack of substantive ideas to address the American public's top priorities -
1) affordable healthcare
2) climate change
3) income inequality

Or maybe her own words and actions are simply being exposed so everyone can be more informed about her and what she stands for. If that's called "demonizing", then maybe she should be more careful about what she says and does.
 
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Really? Let's take a look at the facts:
Democrats are the ones always screaming about Republicans being racist. The Democrats are the ones that claim to be so concerned about black rights and freedom, while accusing Republicans of being the ones that oppress them.

Fact: Democrats were the ones in the South who didn't want slavery abolished. Politics of Race: Democrat-slavery vs Republican-abolition
It may come as a surprise to "Aldebaran" but the 18th and 19thC are not scheduled to make a comeback anytime soon!

Trump supporters are so desperate for an excuse to go on the offensive that they jump on a few ill-advised comments made by one recently elected representative and then try to "paint" the whole party as racist!

When all your politicians are wealthy, elderly, white and male, the Republicans don't need to deal with any of the problems associated with diversity - because there is none!
 
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It may come as a surprise to "Aldebaran" but the 18th and 19thC are not scheduled to make a comeback anytime soon!

It looks like the standard way of dismissing anything democrats do is still in vogue. If the democrat support of slavery and racism is brought up, we're supposed to sweep it under the rug because that was the past. If anything Obama did is mentioned in contrast to Trump, we're supposed to remember that he's no longer president, so the hypocrisy is swept under the rug.
And yes, the democrat party is racist. They rely on using minorities to build support for the party by making them fearful of conservatives. They do it based on the color of a person's skin. Of course, they also like to project their racism onto conservatives in order to stay on the very "offensive" that you say conservatives are so desperate to be on.
 
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It looks like the standard way of dismissing anything democrats do is still in vogue. If the democrat support of slavery and racism is brought up, we're supposed to sweep it under the rug because that was the past.

Do you think white nationalists hold it against the republicans because they were against slavery and segregation generations ago? No, of course they don't. They realize that what matters is that the party supports them now.

If anything Obama did is mentioned in contrast to Trump

You mean like not having any of his people indicted, convicted, or pleading guilty to felonies? Or do you mean releasing his tax returns? Or increasing American influence in the world? Or remaining faithful to his wife, and not sexually assaulting other women? Or not paying millions of dollars to settle his fraud charges? Stuff like that?

And yes, the democrat party is racist. They rely on using minorities to build support for the party by making them fearful of conservatives.

Just because conservatives try to find ways to keep them from voting, and welcome white nationalists. What's to be afraid of?

They do it based on the color of a person's skin.

Yeah, that would make them distrust conservatives. Of course, conservatives also like to project their racism onto democrats.
 
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It looks like the standard way of dismissing anything democrats do is still in vogue. If the democrat support of slavery and racism is brought up, we're supposed to sweep it under the rug because that was the past. If anything Obama did is mentioned in contrast to Trump, we're supposed to remember that he's no longer president, so the hypocrisy is swept under the rug.
And yes, the democrat party is racist. They rely on using minorities to build support for the party by making them fearful of conservatives. They do it based on the color of a person's skin. Of course, they also like to project their racism onto conservatives in order to stay on the very "offensive" that you say conservatives are so desperate to be on.
2016 Presidential Election by Race
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WHITE 37% Democrats 58% Republican
BLACK 88% Democrats 8% Republican
ASIAN 65% Democrats 29% Republican
HISPANIC (of any race) 65% Democrats 29% Republican
OTHER 56% Democrats 37% Republican

Its always a sign of "desperation" when conservatives are forced to forward arguments based on the political conditions that existed in 18th and 19thC!

What does it say about he Republican Party when the one and only racial group that they can attract is "WHITE!"

"... the democrat party is racist. They rely on using minorities to build support for the party by making them fearful of conservatives" argument is based on the assumption that none of these racial groups has the intelligence to determine as to which political party represents their best interests!
 
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"... the democrat party is racist. They rely on using minorities to build support for the party by making them fearful of conservatives" argument is based on the assumption that none of these racial groups has the intelligence to determine as to which political party represents their best interests!

That kind of plays into the right-wing narrative. "Those dumb (insert non-WASP) group, don't know what's good for them."
 
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2016 Presidential Election by Race
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WHITE 37% Democrats 58% Republican
BLACK 88% Democrats 8% Republican
ASIAN 65% Democrats 29% Republican
HISPANIC (of any race) 65% Democrats 29% Republican
OTHER 56% Democrats 37% Republican

Its always a sign of "desperation" when conservatives are forced to forward arguments based on the political conditions that existed in 18th and 19thC!

What does it say about he Republican Party when the one and only racial group that they can attract is "WHITE!"

"... the democrat party is racist. They rely on using minorities to build support for the party by making them fearful of conservatives" argument is based on the assumption that none of these racial groups has the intelligence to determine as to which political party represents their best interests!

That makes no sense at all.

The far left always bring things up from the past to use that their oppression button. Heck, they will go back to the 15c to do it. Is that desperation too?

I guess the fact the left can bring up many racial groups from all different spheres of life makes them so much more awesome?! lol or do they do their racial groups do those things based on political conditions from the 18th and 19th? I guess if they use that - it would show 'desperation' as well right?

What is really desperate? People that can't debate topics without rushing to the race, phobia or the tribe cards because they don't have anything to put out there with substance.

You have jerks on both sides of the aisle, and they all get rich in office. You don't think they play on to their advantage? No one - I would hope - is so naive to think that only GOP politicians have used their 'rich' friends as you put it to line their pockets. Take a lot at many of them that have been in office for years now, and check out their bottom lines. Both sides. They didn't land in Washington in the position. Holy cow wake up and smell the reality here! "We the People" on both sides - you know average American - have been complaining about that forever. lol you really think only the GOP are getting rich? YOUR dreaming!
 
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Demonizing "Ocasio-Cortez" is a tacit admission that the Republicans know they can't run on their leadership in the White House, their dismal legislative record and their lack of substantive ideas to address the American public's top priorities -
1) affordable healthcare
2) climate change
3) income inequality

You might want to check some polls before claiming what America's top priorities are there. Affordable healthcare is there, but Climate change and Income Inequality? They don't do even hit the top 10.

Those might be Cortez's top priorities, but they aren't America's.

Criticizing this woman is the way the political ball bounces, and sadly I doubt anyone really warned her about this. You can tell by the way she reacts not by 'demonizing' her, but by pointing out some realities. This has happened to green politicians before, and it will happen again. You better remind because she has brought political conditions of centuries past as WHY they criticize her. As you said - it might show desperation there!
 
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You might want to check some polls before claiming what America's top priorities are there. Affordable healthcare is there, but Climate change and Income Inequality? They don't do even hit the top 10.

Those might be Cortez's top priorities, but they aren't America's.

Criticizing this woman is the way the political ball bounces, and sadly I doubt anyone really warned her about this. You can tell by the way she reacts not by 'demonizing' her, but by pointing out some realities. This has happened to green politicians before, and it will happen again. You better remind because she has brought political conditions of centuries past as WHY they criticize her. As you said - it might show desperation there!
Healthcare, education, environment are the top three for Dem voters.
Republicans and Democrats have grown further apart on what the nation’s top priorities should be


For all comers, environment is #8, “poor and needy” is #7.
Public's 2019 Priorities: Economy, Health Care, Education and Security All Near Top of List
 
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