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Well having read much of the history of early Christianity and knowing that Jesus said that " I am the way, the truth and the life " , I try to understand truth . Stephen , our first martyr stated in his sermon to the Jews ..Howbeit the Most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands as saith the prophet " Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool . What kind of house will you build for me ? Or where will my place of repose be ? " ( Acts 7:48 ) and also The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of and does not live in temples made with human hands . ( Acts 17:24 )
In order to get answers , like the little child Jesus said we must become , I ask questions . Questions like , Does God care more for inanimate objects like brick and mortar ...stained glass and wood or for widows and orphans ? You know ...actual humans ? The temple was destroyed in 70 ad for a reason . We have never been given a new covenant commandment to build anything other than his house which is composed of living stones of which Jesus Christ is the corner stone .
When humans build something , we worship it and assign it value . It was for this reason that God told Jacob who was determined to build an alter in which to offer sacrifice , to stack up rocks like he found them ...Do not put a chisel to them . I wonder how many trillions of dollars per year go into these inanimate objects when Jesus had not anywhere to lay His head when He lived among us . But human traditions are hard to break . How many commandments to feed the widow and orphan and how many commandments to build buildings ?
 
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Well having read much of the history of early Christianity and knowing that Jesus said that " I am the way, the truth and the life " , I try to understand truth . Stephen , our first martyr stated in his sermon to the Jews ..Howbeit the Most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands as saith the prophet " Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool . What kind of house will you build for me ? Or where will my place of repose be ? " ( Acts 7:48 ) and also The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of and does not live in temples made with human hands . ( Acts 17:24 )
In order to get answers , like the little child Jesus said we must become , I ask questions . Questions like , Does God care more for inanimate objects like brick and mortar ...stained glass and wood or for widows and orphans ? You know ...actual humans ? The temple was destroyed in 70 ad for a reason . We have never been given a new covenant commandment to build anything other than his house which is composed of living stones of which Jesus Christ is the corner stone .
When humans build something , we worship it and assign it value . It was for this reason that God told Jacob who was determined to build an alter in which to offer sacrifice , to stack up rocks like he found them ...Do not put a chisel to them . I wonder how many trillions of dollars per year go into these inanimate objects when Jesus had not anywhere to lay His head when He lived among us . But human traditions are hard to break . How many commandments to feed the widow and orphan and how many commandments to build buildings ?

Pope meets with LDS leadership in Rome to dedicate temple
Temples are not a new thing or a forgotten thing. Solomon was commanded to build a temple:
(Old Testament | 1 Kings 5:5)

5 And, behold, I purpose to build an house unto the name of the LORD my God, as the LORD spake unto David my father, saying, Thy son, whom I will set upon thy throne in thy room, he shall build an house unto my name.

(Old Testament | 1 Kings 6:11 - 12)

11 ¶ And the word of the LORD came to Solomon, saying,
12 Concerning this house which thou art in building, if thou wilt walk in my statutes, and execute my judgments, and keep all my commandments to walk in them; then will I perform my word with thee, which I spake unto David thy father:

Solomon build a very costly and ornate temple:
(Old Testament | 1 Kings 6:21 - 22)

21 So Solomon overlaid the house within with pure gold: and he made a partition by the chains of gold before the oracle; and he overlaid it with gold.
22 And the whole house he overlaid with gold, until he had finished all the house: also the whole altar that was by the oracle he overlaid with gold.

(Old Testament | 1 Kings 7:47 - 51)

47 And Solomon left all the vessels unweighed, because they were exceeding many: neither was the weight of the brass found out.
48 And Solomon made all the vessels that pertained unto the house of the LORD: the altar of gold, and the table of gold, whereupon the shewbread was,
49 And the candlesticks of pure gold, five on the right side, and five on the left, before the oracle, with the flowers, and the lamps, and the tongs of gold,
50 And the bowls, and the snuffers, and the basons, and the spoons, and the censers of pure gold; and the hinges of gold, both for the doors of the inner house, the most holy place, and for the doors of the house, to wit, of the temple.
51 So was ended all the work that king Solomon made for the house of the LORD. And Solomon brought in the things which David his father had dedicated; even the silver, and the gold, and the vessels, did he put among the treasures of the house of the LORD.

Jesus knew the value of the temple, and He taught there:
(New Testament | Matthew 21:12 - 13)

12 ¶ And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
(New Testament | Luke 20:1)

1 AND it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

Herod's temple will not be the last temple:

(New Testament | Revelation 7:15)

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

While it is important to care for the poor, it is also important to give to God:

(New Testament | Matthew 26:7 - 11)

7 There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat.
8 But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste?
9 For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.
10 When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.
11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
 
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Pope meets with LDS leadership in Rome to dedicate temple
Temples are not a new thing or a forgotten thing. Solomon was commanded to build a temple:
(Old Testament | 1 Kings 5:5)

5 And, behold, I purpose to build an house unto the name of the LORD my God, as the LORD spake unto David my father, saying, Thy son, whom I will set upon thy throne in thy room, he shall build an house unto my name.

(Old Testament | 1 Kings 6:11 - 12)

11 ¶ And the word of the LORD came to Solomon, saying,
12 Concerning this house which thou art in building, if thou wilt walk in my statutes, and execute my judgments, and keep all my commandments to walk in them; then will I perform my word with thee, which I spake unto David thy father:

Solomon build a very costly and ornate temple:
(Old Testament | 1 Kings 6:21 - 22)

21 So Solomon overlaid the house within with pure gold: and he made a partition by the chains of gold before the oracle; and he overlaid it with gold.
22 And the whole house he overlaid with gold, until he had finished all the house: also the whole altar that was by the oracle he overlaid with gold.

(Old Testament | 1 Kings 7:47 - 51)

47 And Solomon left all the vessels unweighed, because they were exceeding many: neither was the weight of the brass found out.
48 And Solomon made all the vessels that pertained unto the house of the LORD: the altar of gold, and the table of gold, whereupon the shewbread was,
49 And the candlesticks of pure gold, five on the right side, and five on the left, before the oracle, with the flowers, and the lamps, and the tongs of gold,
50 And the bowls, and the snuffers, and the basons, and the spoons, and the censers of pure gold; and the hinges of gold, both for the doors of the inner house, the most holy place, and for the doors of the house, to wit, of the temple.
51 So was ended all the work that king Solomon made for the house of the LORD. And Solomon brought in the things which David his father had dedicated; even the silver, and the gold, and the vessels, did he put among the treasures of the house of the LORD.

Jesus knew the value of the temple, and He taught there:
(New Testament | Matthew 21:12 - 13)

12 ¶ And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
(New Testament | Luke 20:1)

1 AND it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

Herod's temple will not be the last temple:

(New Testament | Revelation 7:15)

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

While it is important to care for the poor, it is also important to give to God:

(New Testament | Matthew 26:7 - 11)

7 There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat.
8 But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste?
9 For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.
10 When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.
11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
Yes ...Solomon ( David's son ) was a type or shadow and foreshadowed the temple which Jesus Christ would build out of living stones ...No ye not that Ye are the temple of the living God ? Under the new covenant ( I do not suppose Mormons are under the Mosaic law for many of my dear friends growing up are Latter Day Saints and they did not observe the sabbath . No one else but the Son of David , Jesus Christ was to build the temple . ( Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up ....and also it is written , unless the Lord build the house , they who labor , labor in vain . ) I do not believe it to be a salvation issue but we have no biblical justification for it and it stands to reason that God does not dwell in a temple made with hands and those are not my words .
We are the house of prayer brother ...we are his temple ...and while there may be another temple built...I for one will be sorry that the sacrifice of God's Son was not enough...two thousand years of tradition does not make anything necessarily right . Truth as opposed to tradition is one of the reasons Jesus was crucified . And of course our pride and fear of man keeps us in error ....even when we see the truth . The more one has invested , the more difficult it is to let something go . That is why Jesus tells us to count the cost if we are going to follow him .
As regarding giving to God ...He who gives to the poor , lends to the Lord . ( Proverbs 19:17 ) ...I mean truly ...what does He who owns all , need from me ? I am needy , not God ..He is rich and does not need another building . Everything is already His ...even the enemy or He is not God and I believe He is .
 
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Yes ...Solomon ( David's son ) was a type or shadow and foreshadowed the temple which Jesus Christ would build out of living stones ...No ye not that Ye are the temple of the living God ? Under the new covenant ( I do not suppose Mormons are under the Mosaic law for many of my dear friends growing up are Latter Day Saints and they did not observe the sabbath . No one else but the Son of David , Jesus Christ was to build the temple . ( Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up ....and also it is written , unless the Lord build the house , they who labor , labor in vain . ) I do not believe it to be a salvation issue but we have no biblical justification for it and it stands to reason that God does not dwell in a temple made with hands and those are not my words .
We are the house of prayer brother ...we are his temple ...and while there may be another temple built...I for one will be sorry that the sacrifice of God's Son was not enough...two thousand years of tradition does not make anything necessarily right . Truth as opposed to tradition is one of the reasons Jesus was crucified . And of course our pride and fear of man keeps us in error ....even when we see the truth . The more one has invested , the more difficult it is to let something go . That is why Jesus tells us to count the cost if we are going to follow him .
As regarding giving to God ...He who gives to the poor , lends to the Lord . ( Proverbs 19:17 ) ...I mean truly ...what does He who owns all , need from me ? I am needy , not God ..He is rich and does not need another building . Everything is already His ...even the enemy or He is not God and I believe He is .
Jesus was talking about His body when as you said "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up" Your other quote from:
(Old Testament | Psalms 127:1)

1 EXCEPT the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

So do you believe that Herod's temple was not the house of the God the Father? Jesus said:
(New Testament | John 2:15 - 16)

15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

Therefore I say that God did authorize the temple to be built. You wanted to know what God needs from you. It is not about what He needs from us, it is about what we need from Him:
(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:13 - 14)

13 ¶ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

There are requirements from God to enter into His kingdom. One of these is baptism:

(New Testament | John 3:3 - 7)

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

These ordinances, such as baptism for the dead, are performed in the temple as they were anciently:
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:29)

29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

Christ was raised on the first day of the week. After that His disciples worshiped on that day:

(New Testament | Acts 20:7)

7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
 
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Jesus was talking about His body when as you said "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up" Your other quote from:
(Old Testament | Psalms 127:1)

1 EXCEPT the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

So do you believe that Herod's temple was not the house of the God the Father? Jesus said:
(New Testament | John 2:15 - 16)

15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

Therefore I say that God did authorize the temple to be built. You wanted to know what God needs from you. It is not about what He needs from us, it is about what we need from Him:
(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:13 - 14)

13 ¶ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

There are requirements from God to enter into His kingdom. One of these is baptism:

(New Testament | John 3:3 - 7)

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

These ordinances, such as baptism for the dead, are performed in the temple as they were anciently:
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:29)

29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

Christ was raised on the first day of the week. After that His disciples worshiped on that day:

(New Testament | Acts 20:7)

7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Yes ...Herrod ( a very wicked Edomite ) did build rebuild the temple and often heard John the Baptist for he feared him , knowing him ( John) to be a devout man and holy .) But of course Herrod then feared man and could not humble himself in front of the birthday crowd and had John beheaded . It shows we can do many things "for God " and yet be lost . But of course Jesus gave us the blood of a new covenant with the temple sacrifices being replaced by a better sacrifice . Oh my how things do not change . Howbeit that the stone that the builders rejected has become the headstone of the corner . Jesus WAS talking about His body that he would raise up in three days ...and when Jesus asked your and my apostle Paul ( when he was still Saul ) Saul , Saul ...why persecutest thou me ? Who was Saul persecuting ? Who was Saul locking up and martyring ? Bread and Wine ? Bricks , mortar and stained glass ? No , he was persecuting the BODY of our Lord Jesus ...the church ...the temple not made with hands . Were you made by hands ? No . Was the building where you worship ? Yes . Is Jesus laying in the corner somewhere ? No ...Brother ...WE are the temple but potentially due to covetousness ( ..history repeats itself ) we stand in great risk of turning His temple into a den of thieves ...we are supposed to be a house of prayer ....but there is money to be made ...the american dream ! How is it we can see these things ?
And brother ....The Ethiopian eunuch that Philip baptized in the desert ...see there is water ..what prevents me from being baptized ? No temple . And Philip was transported away ..and the Eunuch went on his way rejoicing ....you mean to tell me ..Phillip's baptism of the eunuch was not valid ? Come now brother ...do you know anyone who was transported away in modern times ? So whereas someone may be preaching another gospel that Paul did not bring and preach another Jesus that Paul did not preach ....the temple baptism is a commandment of man and has been added to All these things bring up another point which every single one of us will give an account . Why do we despise the apostle Paul that Jesus sent to us gentiles ? Do we not despise Jesus and His counsel ? " If any man be prophetic or spiritual , let him acknowledge that the things I write unto you are commandments of the Lord . ( 1st Corinthians 14:37 ) Without the ministry which the Lord Jesus gave Paul ...You are still under the law of Moses as am I . For whosoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one point is guilty of all . There are many prophets who's prophecies did not come true ...history is littered with them if one knows history ....new Jerusalem ..new light ...New Edens , etc. however ..
Paul's prophecy in 2nd Timothy chapter 3 is being fulfilled right in front of us . For the sake of those who you love , do not be deceived . Jesus tells believers to repent in revelation ..It is the church who continually get it wrong ..and almost without exception ..it is ALWAYS the other groups who have it wrong ...they don't have the additional wisdom ..they are the false church ..it is them . It is them is Satan's favorite word ...contrast that with the disciples at the last supper ...is it I Lord ...Will I deny you ? So lastly, I close with this . If your God loves brick and mortar and grand buildings ...if you are able to build Him anything worthy of Him ...you know Him much better than I ...and you may ..But I believe in a humble God who travails at the thought of many who will perish when He returns in all His glory for they would not repent . Both the Old and New Testament talk about the earth and heavens being rolled up like a scroll ...and He wants a building ...more stuff to burn up ? There are none so blind as those who will not see . But seeing has a cost . As does truth . The cross is painful . Doing the familiar ..the traditional ..that is comfortable ..I understand . It is not easy . Love has a cost .
 
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Yes ...Herrod ( a very wicked Edomite ) did build rebuild the temple and often heard John the Baptist for he feared him , knowing him ( John) to be a devout man and holy .) But of course Herrod then feared man and could not humble himself in front of the birthday crowd and had John beheaded . It shows we can do many things "for God " and yet be lost . But of course Jesus gave us the blood of a new covenant with the temple sacrifices being replaced by a better sacrifice . Oh my how things do not change . Howbeit that the stone that the builders rejected has become the headstone of the corner . Jesus WAS talking about His body that he would raise up in three days ...and when Jesus asked your and my apostle Paul ( when he was still Saul ) Saul , Saul ...why persecutest thou me ? Who was Saul persecuting ? Who was Saul locking up and martyring ? Bread and Wine ? Bricks , mortar and stained glass ? No , he was persecuting the BODY of our Lord Jesus ...the church ...the temple not made with hands . Were you made by hands ? No . Was the building where you worship ? Yes . Is Jesus laying in the corner somewhere ? No ...Brother ...WE are the temple but potentially due to covetousness ( ..history repeats itself ) we stand in great risk of turning His temple into a den of thieves ...we are supposed to be a house of prayer ....but there is money to be made ...the american dream ! How is it we can see these things ?
And brother ....The Ethiopian eunuch that Philip baptized in the desert ...see there is water ..what prevents me from being baptized ? No temple . And Philip was transported away ..and the Eunuch went on his way rejoicing ....you mean to tell me ..Phillip's baptism of the eunuch was not valid ? Come now brother ...do you know anyone who was transported away in modern times ? So whereas someone may be preaching another gospel that Paul did not bring and preach another Jesus that Paul did not preach ....the temple baptism is a commandment of man and has been added to All these things bring up another point which every single one of us will give an account . Why do we despise the apostle Paul that Jesus sent to us gentiles ? Do we not despise Jesus and His counsel ? " If any man be prophetic or spiritual , let him acknowledge that the things I write unto you are commandments of the Lord . ( 1st Corinthians 14:37 ) Without the ministry which the Lord Jesus gave Paul ...You are still under the law of Moses as am I . For whosoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one point is guilty of all . There are many prophets who's prophecies did not come true ...history is littered with them if one knows history ....new Jerusalem ..new light ...New Edens , etc. however ..
Paul's prophecy in 2nd Timothy chapter 3 is being fulfilled right in front of us . For the sake of those who you love , do not be deceived . Jesus tells believers to repent in revelation ..It is the church who continually get it wrong ..and almost without exception ..it is ALWAYS the other groups who have it wrong ...they don't have the additional wisdom ..they are the false church ..it is them . It is them is Satan's favorite word ...contrast that with the disciples at the last supper ...is it I Lord ...Will I deny you ? So lastly, I close with this . If your God loves brick and mortar and grand buildings ...if you are able to build Him anything worthy of Him ...you know Him much better than I ...and you may ..But I believe in a humble God who travails at the thought of many who will perish when He returns in all His glory for they would not repent . Both the Old and New Testament talk about the earth and heavens being rolled up like a scroll ...and He wants a building ...more stuff to burn up ? There are none so blind as those who will not see . But seeing has a cost . As does truth . The cross is painful . Doing the familiar ..the traditional ..that is comfortable ..I understand . It is not easy . Love has a cost .
Paul is one is my favorite writers in the Bible. I do not despise him in the least. Having said that I would like to quote a few verses he wrote:
(New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

(New Testament | Philippians 3:13 - 21)

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Jesus Christ has the power to make us perfect even as He is perfect. Our vile body can be changed like unto His glorious body. We too can press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Now for some other scriptures that are in the Bible:
(New Testament | John 17:20 - 23)

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

So do you believe that we can become one even as God the Father and Jesus Christ are one just as Jesus stated?:

(New Testament | Colossians 1:26 - 28)

26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

In the temple we perform the ordinances whereby every man may become perfect in Jesus Christ. Like baptism for the dead the temple ordinances are done out of love that every person may have the opportunity to accept or reject the saving ordinances that are necessary to be able to be reunited with God the Father through Jesus Christ.
 
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Paul is one is my favorite writers in the Bible. I do not despise him in the least. Having said that I would like to quote a few verses he wrote:
(New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

(New Testament | Philippians 3:13 - 21)

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Jesus Christ has the power to make us perfect even as He is perfect. Our vile body can be changed like unto His glorious body. We too can press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Now for some other scriptures that are in the Bible:
(New Testament | John 17:20 - 23)

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

So do you believe that we can become one even as God the Father and Jesus Christ are one just as Jesus stated?:

(New Testament | Colossians 1:26 - 28)

26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

In the temple we perform the ordinances whereby every man may become perfect in Jesus Christ. Like baptism for the dead the temple ordinances are done out of love that every person may have the opportunity to accept or reject the saving ordinances that are necessary to be able to be reunited with God the Father through Jesus Christ.
In the temple we perform the ordinances ...this is the problem . 2nd Peter 1:20 discusses the danger of private interpretation . Even Peter was in error and had to be corrected by Paul ...and this despite Peter having walked with the Lord Jesus in the flesh . Peter could hear ..he could be corrected but many of the movements which have sprung to life in America were founded by one man , who later demonstrated error but refused correction ...Let a bishop be the husband of one wife ...who had the authority to go beyond what the apostle sent to the gentiles by the Lord Jesus himself set forth ?

Also ..for example ...we are told not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers ...do you know how many assume this speaks of marriage when according to scripture , they were not even discussing marriage . But how many Christians are yoked together with unbelievers in government ? It is like a horse pulling one way and a donkey pulling another way . " If our hope is in this life , we of all men are most miserable . " But yet , people are trying to make America the promised land ...where is the disconnect ?


The children of the Resurrection neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like unto the angels of heaven ...why ? Because we have been given our innocence back ...little children ..what a lovely gift .
I do believe in revelation but not in revelation which contradicts Jesus and the instructions of his apostles. ( the sent ones )
 
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In the temple we perform the ordinances ...this is the problem . 2nd Peter 1:20 discusses the danger of private interpretation . Even Peter was in error and had to be corrected by Paul ...and this despite Peter having walked with the Lord Jesus in the flesh . Peter could hear ..he could be corrected but many of the movements which have sprung to life in America were founded by one man , who later demonstrated error but refused correction ...Let a bishop be the husband of one wife ...who had the authority to go beyond what the apostle sent to the gentiles by the Lord Jesus himself set forth ?

Also ..for example ...we are told not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers ...do you know how many assume this speaks of marriage when according to scripture , they were not even discussing marriage . But how many Christians are yoked together with unbelievers in government ? It is like a horse pulling one way and a donkey pulling another way . " If our hope is in this life , we of all men are most miserable . " But yet , people are trying to make America the promised land ...where is the disconnect ?


The children of the Resurrection neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like unto the angels of heaven ...why ? Because we have been given our innocence back ...little children ..what a lovely gift .
I do believe in revelation but not in revelation which contradicts Jesus and the instructions of his apostles. ( the sent ones )
You said: "2nd Peter 1:20 discusses the danger of private interpretation: " yet it seems like every person has a different interpretation of the scriptures and how they are to be applied. I believe that eventually we will all come to an understanding of the gospel and become one with Jesus Christ and God the Father as mentioned in the Bible. You mentioned "Let a bishop be the husband of one wife" We know that many of the great men of the Bible had more than one wife including David, Abraham, Jacob, and Solomon. There were many more who remarried after the death or divorce of a wife or husband. This would include Job who had a second family. You said: "The children of the Resurrection neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like unto the angels of heaven" I agree marriages and sealings (bindings) are to take place in this life:
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 11:11)

11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

(New Testament | Matthew 16:19)

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

There are other temple ordinances that seem to have been lost over time:
(Old Testament | 2 Kings 23:1 - 3)

1 AND the king sent, and they gathered unto him all the elders of Judah and of Jerusalem.
2 And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and he read in their ears all the words of the book of the covenant which was found in the house of the LORD.
3 ¶ And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people stood to the covenant.

(Old Testament | Exodus 40:12 - 16)

12 And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water.
13 And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
14 And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:
15 And thou shalt anoint them, as thou didst anoint their father, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office: for their anointing shall surely be an everlasting priesthood throughout their generations.
16 Thus did Moses: according to all that the LORD commanded him, so did he.
 
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You said: "2nd Peter 1:20 discusses the danger of private interpretation: " yet it seems like every person has a different interpretation of the scriptures and how they are to be applied. I believe that eventually we will all come to an understanding of the gospel and become one with Jesus Christ and God the Father as mentioned in the Bible. You mentioned "Let a bishop be the husband of one wife" We know that many of the great men of the Bible had more than one wife including David, Abraham, Jacob, and Solomon. There were many more who remarried after the death or divorce of a wife or husband. This would include Job who had a second family. You said: "The children of the Resurrection neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like unto the angels of heaven" I agree marriages and sealings (bindings) are to take place in this life:
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 11:11)

11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

(New Testament | Matthew 16:19)

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

There are other temple ordinances that seem to have been lost over time:
(Old Testament | 2 Kings 23:1 - 3)

1 AND the king sent, and they gathered unto him all the elders of Judah and of Jerusalem.
2 And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and he read in their ears all the words of the book of the covenant which was found in the house of the LORD.
3 ¶ And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people stood to the covenant.

(Old Testament | Exodus 40:12 - 16)

12 And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water.
13 And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
14 And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:
15 And thou shalt anoint them, as thou didst anoint their father, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office: for their anointing shall surely be an everlasting priesthood throughout their generations.
16 Thus did Moses: according to all that the LORD commanded him, so did he.
The temple was destroyed for a reason in 70 AD ...so that grace was by faith , not of works.
 
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The temple was destroyed for a reason in 70 AD ...so that grace was by faith , not of works.
You assume that the temple was destroyed "so that grace was by faith , not of works."

Grace was never by works. We are all unprofitable servants and no amount of works is enough to save us. We all rely on the atonement for our salvation. We are not saved by works and neither are we saved without works. It is not possible to love our neighbor as ourselves without works. The parable of the good Samaritan as taught by Jesus Christ taught helps us to understand that we are to help those i need. Those who love Jesus keep the commandments:
(New Testament | John 14:15)

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.

In the temple we give our ancestors the opportunity receive the necessary ordinances they need for salvation such as baptism:
(New Testament | John 3:3 - 5)

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:29)

29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
(New Testament | 1 Peter 3:20 - 22)

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

These ordinances are not forced on anyone. They can be accepted or rejected. God will force no man to heaven. We do these ordinances out of love for our ancestors who were not given the opportunity while they were alive.
 
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You assume that the temple was destroyed "so that grace was by faith , not of works."

Grace was never by works. We are all unprofitable servants and no amount of works is enough to save us. We all rely on the atonement for our salvation. We are not saved by works and neither are we saved without works. It is not possible to love our neighbor as ourselves without works. The parable of the good Samaritan as taught by Jesus Christ taught helps us to understand that we are to help those i need. Those who love Jesus keep the commandments:
(New Testament | John 14:15)

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.

In the temple we give our ancestors the opportunity receive the necessary ordinances they need for salvation such as baptism:
(New Testament | John 3:3 - 5)

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:29)

29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
(New Testament | 1 Peter 3:20 - 22)

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

These ordinances are not forced on anyone. They can be accepted or rejected. God will force no man to heaven. We do these ordinances out of love for our ancestors who were not given the opportunity while they were alive.
Yes ..I understand the principal of the baptism for the dead . What I do not see is a new covenant scriptural reference for building a building and calling it a temple. Baptism by John , Jesus , and Philip was not in a building for God does not dwell in a building built with hands . As far as I am able to determine , the old covenant was about outward observance whereas the new covenant is about inward observance ..thus Jesus said the wind blows where it wills //you hear the sound but do not see from where it comes . Also , that is why women are instructed not to adorn their selves with outward adornments but rather to be adorned with good works . And it discusses also the hidden man . I would hold the same thing with believing men regarding adornment ...In discussing how to be attired ..many feel we should put of our best for God but the Bible says to be clothed in humility . If we , who were created in the image of God are to be clothed in humility , modesty and meekness and the scripture clearly states in numerous places that we are the temple of God ( 1st Corinthians 3:16-17 ) , then why adorn buildings ? Jesus said where two or more are gathered in his name , there He is . It does not matter where nor what it looks like . Without question , the world and self seekers place emphasis on the outward. And are we now like the world ? We esteem the same things ? ...the outward which will be destroyed. I thought we were different .
 
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Yes ..I understand the principal of the baptism for the dead . What I do not see is a new covenant scriptural reference for building a building and calling it a temple. Baptism by John , Jesus , and Philip was not in a building for God does not dwell in a building built with hands . As far as I am able to determine , the old covenant was about outward observance whereas the new covenant is about inward observance ..thus Jesus said the wind blows where it wills //you hear the sound but do not see from where it comes . Also , that is why women are instructed not to adorn their selves with outward adornments but rather to be adorned with good works . And it discusses also the hidden man . I would hold the same thing with believing men regarding adornment ...In discussing how to be attired ..many feel we should put of our best for God but the Bible says to be clothed in humility . If we , who were created in the image of God are to be clothed in humility , modesty and meekness and the scripture clearly states in numerous places that we are the temple of God ( 1st Corinthians 3:16-17 ) , then why adorn buildings ? Jesus said where two or more are gathered in his name , there He is . It does not matter where nor what it looks like . Without question , the world and self seekers place emphasis on the outward. And are we now like the world ? We esteem the same things ? ...the outward which will be destroyed. I thought we were different .
You make some very good points and I am in agreement with many of the things you said. We should be meek and humble. The scriptures point this out in many places. That being said temples built unto God have always been ornate and made of precious things. Temples built in the last days would also be built with fine workmanship. Consider what Isaiah said:
(Old Testament | Isaiah 2:2)

2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

I believe this scripture is about temples. We believe that baptism for the dead should be done in the temple as we believe it was done anciently in what was called the molten sea.

(Old Testament | 1 Kings 7:23 - 26)

23 ¶ And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.
24 And under the brim of it round about there were knops compassing it, ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about: the knops were cast in two rows, when it was cast.
25 It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north, and three looking toward the west, and three looking toward the south, and three looking toward the east: and the sea was set above upon them, and all their hinder parts were inward.
26 And it was an hand breadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies: it contained two thousand baths.

Baptism for the living can be performed in rivers or fonts in stake centers and should be performed by immersion.
 
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You make some very good points and I am in agreement with many of the things you said. We should be meek and humble. The scriptures point this out in many places. That being said temples built unto God have always been ornate and made of precious things. Temples built in the last days would also be built with fine workmanship. Consider what Isaiah said:
(Old Testament | Isaiah 2:2)

2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

I believe this scripture is about temples. We believe that baptism for the dead should be done in the temple as we believe it was done anciently in what was called the molten sea.

(Old Testament | 1 Kings 7:23 - 26)

23 ¶ And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.
24 And under the brim of it round about there were knops compassing it, ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about: the knops were cast in two rows, when it was cast.
25 It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north, and three looking toward the west, and three looking toward the south, and three looking toward the east: and the sea was set above upon them, and all their hinder parts were inward.
26 And it was an hand breadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies: it contained two thousand baths.

Baptism for the living can be performed in rivers or fonts in stake centers and should be performed by immersion.
Yes ..regarding humility . It is one of the reasons I do not vote . If any person has the hubris to run for office , I do not believe they have the humility to govern . If they did , their opening speech would be ..." I am but a man ...a mere mortal ...do not put your hope in me for the scripture says " Cursed is the man who trust in man , who makes the flesh the arm of his strength and who's heart departs from the Lord . " Israel repeatedly turned to human means for their salvation and most denominations have "run" for office . Even Joseph Smith ran for president . I think it far more wise ( and according to scripture ) to not entangle ourselves with the affairs of this life . Be nothing so that Christ can reign in our lives ....but even though the scriptures say " The grace of God which bringeth salvation has appeared to all men , teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldy lust , we should live soberly , righteously and godly in this present world . " This is in contrast to Demas..who has forsaken us , having loved this present world.
 
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Yes ..regarding humility . It is one of the reasons I do not vote . If any person has the hubris to run for office , I do not believe they have the humility to govern . If they did , their opening speech would be ..." I am but a man ...a mere mortal ...do not put your hope in me for the scripture says " Cursed is the man who trust in man , who makes the flesh the arm of his strength and who's heart departs from the Lord . " Israel repeatedly turned to human means for their salvation and most denominations have "run" for office . Even Joseph Smith ran for president . I think it far more wise ( and according to scripture ) to not entangle ourselves with the affairs of this life . Be nothing so that Christ can reign in our lives ....but even though the scriptures say " The grace of God which bringeth salvation has appeared to all men , teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldy lust , we should live soberly , righteously and godly in this present world . " This is in contrast to Demas..who has forsaken us , having loved this present world.
I still vote because I believe it is prudent to vote for the person who displays the most godly attributes and will, in my opinion, do the best job. I am sure that you are aware that the local, state, and national governments are organizations set up to govern and work for the people they represent. I know that you believe in separation of church and government. That being said, it is important that we are vigilant regarding our right to worship God and live according to the His teachings. We should also acknowledge the rights of others.
I noticed that we have similar beliefs about baptism in that little children do not need to be baptized. However we believe in baptism for the dead as mentioned in the Bible. We also believe that these baptisms are to take place in the temple. We also believe in being able to become equal to God as mentioned in the Bible:
(New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
(New Testament | Philippians 3:13 - 15)

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

We also believe that certain ordinances are to be administered in the temple.
 
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