Over all Look At the Book Of Daniel

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Neither Scriptural nor Historical. But in an imaginary world, EVERYTHING is possible ...


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This only two historical records, there are many more. I am not dogmatic with my response, I do not mean this to be I'm right you are wrong. We need to learn from each other. Just don't put me down, show me where I am wrong. Truth is not personal, it is light. in light and love Rodron
 
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Hey just the facts this is not on all of the book of Daniel but the answer to chapter 2 in chapter 7.
Daniel 7: 2-7 (KJV) Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. 3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. 4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

Babylon had a winged lion symbol, in Jerimiah before the first temple was destroyed, we see who the lion was.

Jeremiah 4:7 (KJV) The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate; and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant

The lion is king of the beasts and king refers to the gold head when Nebuchadnezzar was king in Dan. 2. But now in the rule of Belshazzar they became weaker and the kingdom shrank and the courageous heart of a lion was replaced by a weak and wicked heart of a man, and made to stand as a man. Later we see how easy they were defeated. in Habakkuk 1:6-9 are the wings.

5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

Medo-Persian Empire. Darius the Mede and Cyrus his nephew came together to go against Babylon. A bear is very vicious and blood thirsty raising up on one side shows the Persian empire was the stronger because they had overruled the Medes. The ribs in its mouth are the from the Medes empire Persians took before they joined together. This refers to the silver chest and arms in Daniel 2

6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

Greek Empire. Described as a leopard...four wings of a fowl, a leopard is fast and catching its prey intercepting and the wings helped it conquer even faster. The four heads, Alexander was the leopard and when he died the kingdom was divided to his four generals. This beast refers back to the brass waist of Daniel 2

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Revelation 13:1-4 (KJV) And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

The Roman Empire was not described by an animal. Dreadful, terrible, strong exceedingly, Iron teeth...devoured and brake in pieces whatever was before it and stamped the residue with the feet of it. Roman empire was totally different than all the ones before refers to the legs of iron and joined with the Iron/Clay feet with ten toes in Daniel 2. Horns are used as a symbol of kings/kingdoms.

The empire started to divide to east and west 40 50 B.C. The land mass Rome was over got to large the Roman empire was divided into ten provinces. I used Revelation 13 beast, I believe they are the same beast that the false prophet in Rev. 13 makes an image of and both beasts were given same amount of time to do their evil. The rest of Daniel 7 corresponds with a lot of Revelations and I believe Daniel and John were seeing the same the things but the writings are different. The 4 beasts in Dan. 7 are the same as Dan. 2 the toes and the horns are later but still in our past. If you compare Daniel 7:9-28 to Revelations, many parallels. in light and love Rodron

Scripturally and historically accurate and verifiable.

The ten horns/kingdoms which arose from the dissolution of the Roman Empire (Daniel 7:7,20,24): Franks, Huns, Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Heruli, Lombards, Anglo-Saxons, Suevi, Vandals, and Burgundians

The three of the preceding horns/kingdoms conquered by the little horn/kingdom (Daniel 7:8,20,24): Heruli, Vandals, and Ostrogoths
 
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Scripturally and historically accurate and verifiable.

The ten horns/kingdoms which arose from the dissolution of the Roman Empire (Daniel 7:7,20,24): Franks, Huns, Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Heruli, Lombards, Anglo-Saxons, Suevi, Vandals, and Burgundians

The three of the preceding horns/kingdoms conquered by the little horn/kingdom (Daniel 7:8,20,24): Heruli, Vandals, and Ostrogoths
So jgr, tell us why those historical facts preclude a final, end times fulfillment of a future ten region world Government?
One that will include the entire world and be exactly as prophesied, not a partial one of small tribal groups.
 
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So jgr, tell us why those historical facts preclude a final, end times fulfillment of a future ten region world Government?
One that will include the entire world and be exactly as prophesied, not a partial one of small tribal groups.

Because, keras, the historical facts concur with Daniel's historical prophecy.

So what would necessitate another fulfillment?

Daniel used "all the earth" and "the whole earth" to refer to the entire subjugated earth of each era, not "a partial one of small tribal groups".

Referring to the Grecian Empire:
Daniel 2:39
And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

Referring to Nebuchadnezzar's Babylonian Empire:
Daniel 4:1
Nebuchadnezzar the king, unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth; Peace be multiplied unto you.

Referring to Darius' Medo-Persian Empire:
Daniel 6:25
Then king Darius wrote unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth; Peace be multiplied unto you.

Referring to the Roman Empire:
Daniel 7:23
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
 
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... show me where I am wrong. Truth is not personal, it is light. in light and love Rodron

Hey Rodron, thanks for you Post!

First of all, Dan. 12:4 & 9 DEMAND that these prophecies are "shut up and sealed until the time of the end", which is approximate to 1948.

Secondly, the commentators WILL NOT touch the INTELLIGENT DESIGN of Dan. 2:45 because they HAVE NO ANSWER for the INTELLIGENT DESIGN sequence:


Daniel 2:45 ... the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold ... = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE​


... and as my First Grade teacher insisted, FIVE ≠FOUR. :)

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And of course we should be aware that the "Eagle" represents the U.S.; the "Bear" represents Russia; and the "Leopard" circularly marked cat is actually a vertically marked cat, the TIGER. Hmmmmm, that would make ALL THREE SUPERPOWERS! Nah, that's too coincidental. GOD doesn't know anything about modern History!!! How foolish of me. :)


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Of course, there was NO Trade Route to the East in Daniel's day (until Marco Polo in the 1300's), so the ONLY point of reference for a vertically marked cat was the circularly marked cat. -- You know, like the WWII AVG "FLYING TIGERS" that flew the P40 , etc, ... and if I'm not mistaken it's this same Military that will "spank" the Russians. Hmmmmm, whoda thunk!


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jgr, I guess that it will be only when an actual One World Government is established, that you will concede that fact.
Daniel 7:23 plainly states that this forthcoming OWG will encompass the whole earth, will tread it down and break the nations.
Thinking that the declining Roman Empire and the conquering groups; mostly rabble without strong leaders, fit that description, is simply unbelievable.
Today, we do have powerful organizations and politicians who are working toward a OWG and they have plans to divide the world into 10 regions.

Remember: history does have a tendency to repeat itself!
 
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Daniel 7:23 plainly states that this forthcoming OWG will encompass the whole earth, will tread it down and break the nations.

Which is precisely what the Roman Empire did.

Thinking that the declining Roman Empire and the conquering groups; mostly rabble without strong leaders, fit that description, is simply unbelievable.

Where did you get that idea?
The Roman Empire ranks as the greatest, or among the greatest, of the empires of all time.
Nothing unbelievable about that.
 
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Which is precisely what the Roman Empire did. ...
Ummmm, Alexander wept because there were no more kingdoms to conquer, and the Grecian Empire is DEAD. And so too, the Roman Empire is DEAD.

Huh, -- it looks like the Dan. 2:45 FIFTH "divided kingdom" now consists of the THREE SUPERPOWERS and the Fourth UNITED NATIONS as outlined in Daniel 7. Nah, who'd be so stupid as to believe Scripture and History?!?



It's more fun to imagine things that aren't, as though they were, -- kind of like writing comic books where people have "superpowers" and the masses all turn to our "heros".

Come to think of it, when Eve sinned she was relegated to her husband, but Adam still communed with GOD. So if man turns to other men (even "superheros"), -- he's a woman.

And there are plenty of "women" in the church, being led by a "man" -- week after week after week after week after week ...

DaDad
 
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You say "four", GOD says FIVE:

Dan. 2:45 ... the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold ... = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE

Yep, I can believe YOU, or I can believe GOD, -- I'll choose GOD.



And I'll "IGNORE" you from now on. Scripture advises us not to throw our "pearls", which means not to waste our time ...

DaDad


Actually there are 5 kingdoms mentioned in Daniel 2, but one of them is the everlasting kingdom. But nothing in Dan. 2:45 is referring to the everlasting kingdom though. In Dan. 2:45 that only involves 4 kingdoms not 5 kingdoms. Like others have already pointed out, if Dan. 2:45 involved 5 kingdoms then the text would have indicated so, yet the text only makes mention of 4 kingdoms in regards to Dan. 2:45, and a fifth kingdom, but that one being the everlasting kingdom. Going by your math that would make 6 kingdoms mentioned in Daniel 2 rather than 5.
 
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... Dan. 2:45 ... not 5 kingdoms ...

Dan. 2:41 And as you saw the feet and toes partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom

Perhaps your "pastor"/commentator tells you what Scripture says, but it's probably better to read it for yourself! :) Yeah, when Eve sinned she was placed under a man, but Adam is ONLY under GOD. So if you "trust" your pastor/commentator, you're a woman. ALWAYS hear directly from GOD, and be a man.


FIVE.


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Dan. 2:41 And as you saw the feet and toes partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom

Perhaps your "pastor"/commentator tells you what Scripture says, but it's probably better to read it for yourself! :) Yeah, when Eve sinned she was placed under a man, but Adam is ONLY under GOD. So if you "trust" your pastor/commentator, you're a woman. ALWAYS hear directly from GOD, and be a man.


FIVE.


DaDad
Irving Baxter and Dave Robbins make the same (erroneous) claim as you make claiming 5 kingdoms in the Daniel 2 image. Is that where you are getting your claim?

Four metals - four kingdoms. Daniel 7:23-24, little horn and ten kings come out the fourth kingdom in the text.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
 
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