WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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They have itching ears.:sigh:
Hello brother nice to see you. It is sad many do not want to hear God's WORD. But if no one plants the seeds nothing can grow. Some do the planting and others water but God gives the increase.God's sheep will hear His Voice (the Word of God)

God bless.
 
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Goodness I just noticed that after 88 + pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....

The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

...................

Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts...
 
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What is clear is,Paul never used the word Sabbath in Romans 14.It is also clear that a Sabbath could not be in reference here as it is not a day esteemed by man but one esteemed by God.The fact that Paul refers to the law and prophets to support his position(Romans 15:1-4) is proof of this as these scriptures do not refer to the Sabbath in this way nor gives any leeway for someone to choose their own Sabbath.

The statement about not judging about Sabbath days is explained in the study below:

THE REAL SHADOW

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat,or in drink,or in respect of an holy day,or of the new moon,or of the Sabbath days:which are a shadow of things to come;but the body is of Christ."[Colossians 2:16,17]

This scripture is the one most easily used to say, the Sabbath is no longer to be observed as this was only a shadow of things to come.

An examination of the context however will reveal clearly that the Sabbath mentioned in the passage could not be a reference to the weekly Sabbath.

The scriptures do show Paul affirming the ten commandments and the law in general as being used by the Christian to identify sin and for us to know what is love.[Romans 13:8-9;7:7;I Timothy 1:8-11]


How could he,in Colossians 2:16,17,be proscribing Sabbath observance.This would be contradictory not only to his own writings but also to the whole counsel of scripture.[Matthew 5:17-20;19:16-19;I John 3:4; James 2:9-12;Romans 2:11-13]

Paul in Colossians 2,is explaining the value of Christ to those who have believed in him. He says:

"And ye are complete in him....In whom also ye are circumcised....,in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ.[Colossians 2:10,11]

He elaborates:

"And you being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh,hath he quickened together with Him,having forgiven you all trespasses;blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,which was contrary to us and took it out of the way,nailing it to His cross."[Colossians 2:13,14]


From the above we see that Jesus by His death on the cross has caused our sins to be forgiven.This happened because His death caused the handwriting of ordinances which were against us to be blotted out.But what are these handwriting of ordinances?


The passage implies,sins were committed, which put into effect ordinances, which were against us because of these sins.

Some claim they were the ten commandments ie. get rid of the law and apparently you will get rid of sin.If this was so then there would be no need for Christ to die.Others say they were the written records of our sins.The text and scriptures do not support either claim.


handwriting - cheirographos(Grk),something hand written ie.,a manuscript,spec.a legal document or bond ie.a covenant or binding agreement.

ordinances - dogma(Grk),a law.

Without various human philosophies which try to interpret this phrase,the meaning is clear.The handwriting of ordinances which were against us refers to a legal document or a law by which persons are bound and which had to do with our sins.


Were the ten commandments against us because they show us our sins? No.[Romans 7:7-13;I John 5:3]


"For sin,taking occasion by the commandment,deceived me,and by it slew me.Wherefore the law is holy,and the commandment holy just and good."[Romans 7:11,12]

The problem is sin and the fact that sin brings a curse and death which was prescribed by the law.These are the handwriting of ordinances which were against us.The most far reaching of these ordinances was found in Deuteronomy 27:26:


"Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of the law to do them.And all the people shall say amen."[See also, Deuteronomy 27:1-26;Ezekiel 18:4,20]


Paul in commenting on this said:


"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law,being made a curse for us:for it is written,Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree."[Galatians 3:13;see,vs.10-12]


Surely a curse is against us and would require either the life of the sinner or of some suitable substitute.Christ is now that substitute according to the apostle Paul.[Colossians 2:13,14;Galatians 3:13.] Prior to Christ,how was this done?

The focus of Paul in Colossians 2:10-15 is to show that the work of Christ is sufficient to make us righteous in God's sight.The curse is removed and those practices which mitigated against the curse are now no longer necessary because of Christ's death also.Hence Paul says:

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat and drink....."[Colossians 2:16,17]

The offerings and sacrifices made in the old covenant to mitigate against the curse are replaced by the one and perfect sacrifice of Christ.

"For the law having a shadow of good things to come and not the very image of the things,can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect....For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins."[Hebrews 10:1-4]

"Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. [Hebrews 9:9-12]

It is the sacrifices and feasts in which they took place year by year that are the shadows of Colossians 2:16,17.[See,Leviticus 23]

"These are the feasts of the Lord,which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations,to offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord,a burnt offering,and a meat offering,a sacrifice,and drink offerings,everything upon His day."[Leviticus 23:37;Hebrews 9:6-10]

These yearly feasts had Sabbaths attached to them(holy convocations) and it is these which are being referred to in Colossians 2:16,17, not the Sabbath of the ten commandments. Special sacrifices and activities also took place on the new moon which was important in determining the times for the feasts.[Numbers 10:10;28:11]

Paul is simply trying to show that the Lord Jesus has replaced those sacrifices and hence we longer have to perform them nor keep the feasts and days in which these were scheduled to occur.

Note that the weekly Sabbath was made long before Israel and before sin came into the world,whereas the feasts and associated Sabbaths were introduced because of sin and the need to atone for the same.[Jeremiah 7:21-23; Galatians 3:19:Genesis 2:1,2;Mark 2:27.]

I am referencing Ellen white because he is from SDA, so is not that far fetched that he would be influenced by her? eh?

Also, is not only me but a lot of pastors and leaders etc, saying that about esteeming days etc. etc.

I am not saying i hold the truth in everything, there is things i don't know but i for one received the Holy spirit in a church that doesn't observe the sabbath, that speaks a little i think, he has blessed me before, sometimes when i sin i see spiritual consequences, but i can't say the same about the sabbath if it is the same as murder, lying etc..
 
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I am referencing Ellen white because he is from SDA, so is not that far fetched that he would be influenced by her? eh?

Also, is not only me but a lot of pastors and leaders etc, saying that about esteeming days etc. etc.

I am not saying i hold the truth in everything, there is things i don't know but i for one received the Holy spirit in a church that doesn't observe the sabbath, that speaks a little i think, he has blessed me before, sometimes when i sin i see spiritual consequences, but i can't say the same about the sabbath if it is the same as murder, lying etc..

God's 4th Commandment is one of God's 10 commandments so and a part of God's ETERNAL LAW that in the NEW COVENANT gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. According to God's WORD if we break and one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now brother where in all this thread or any posts here in this forum has has EGW been quoted to you and if there has not been any EGW quoted to you and only God's WORD why pretend that this is about something that it is not?

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

God bless
 
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Your first post and question was answered in here linked click me where after it was answered you were asked two questions in return in which you ignored. As posted earlier a discussion goes two ways. Happy to continue answering your questions if you answer mine as well.


Here is my question -


How do we observe the Sabbath today, so that we don’t sin by breaking the Sabbath?






Here is the copy of your post that you linked -


We should worship God everyday that has never been the issue. SIN is the issue that we are talking about in this thread. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Did you wish to answer any of the questions here in the OP?

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.



There is nothing in this post that answers my question of -


How do we observe the Sabbath today, so that we don’t sin by breaking the Sabbath?




JLB
 
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Goodness I just noticed that after 88 + pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....


Actually you are the one who can’t answer a simple question.


It’s funny.


How do we observe the Sabbath today, so that we don’t sin by breaking the Sabbath?


Just answer.


Don’t put up any links because they all lead to another post of yours that doesn’t any my question.




JLB
 
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Here is my question -
How do we observe the Sabbath today, so that we don’t sin by breaking the Sabbath?
Here is the copy of your post that you linked - We should worship God everyday that has never been the issue. SIN is the issue that we are talking about in this thread. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. Did you wish to answer any of the questions here in the OP? Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. There is nothing in this post that answers my question of - How do we observe the Sabbath today, so that we don’t sin by breaking the Sabbath? JLB

Well that is not true brother. Here is a copy of your first question here (Emphasis in red is mine).

JLB777 said: Of course it doesn’t teach lawlessness. However There are no scriptures from Jesus or His Apostles that instructs the Church as to how to specifically observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant. So you believe it’s a sin to gather together to worship Jesus on an another day, other than Saturday? JLB

This was responded with....

We should worship God everyday that has never been the issue. SIN is the issue that we are talking about in this thread. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Did you wish to answer any of the questions here in the OP?

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

........

In the post to you that answers your question I also asked you two questions at the end that you ignored which were;

1. Did you wish to answer any of the questions here in the OP?

2. Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

If you wish to have a two way discussion I am happy to do so and will continue to answer your questions if you also answer mine. In visiting this thread to stay on topic please answer the questions in the OP.

Hope this helps :)
 
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Actually you are the one who can’t answer a simple question It’s funny. How do we observe the Sabbath today, so that we don’t sin by breaking the Sabbath? Just answer. Don’t put up any links because they all lead to another post of yours that doesn’t any my question. JLB

Not really brother, there has already been 88+ pages and no one has answered a single question in the OP here. Amazing isn't it :)?

If it was me I would want to make sure I am following God's WORD and not following the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God as outlined in the scriptures in the OP. As stated in the OP here it is JESUS alone that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Yep many are going to be dissappointed come judgment day *MATTHEW 7:23-24. Sadly however, at this tine it will be too late *REVELATION 22:12. Something to think about.

Hope this helps

PS. happy to continue answering your questions once you start addressing the questions in the OP or respond to my questions that have asked you. A dicussion goes two ways. Ignoring God's WORD and the questions asked of you do not make them dissappear.

If you do not wish to you do not have to your welcome to go and start your own thread and send me a link and I will be happy to respond to it.
 
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This was responded with....

We should worship God everyday that has never been the issue. SIN is the issue that we are talking about in this thread. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Did you wish to answer any of the questions here in the OP?

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

........

In the post to you that answers your question I also asked you two questions at the end that you ignored which were;

1. Did you wish to answer any of the questions here in the OP?

2. Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

If you wish to have a two way discussion I am happy to do so and will continue to answer your questions if you also answer mine. In visiting this thread to stay on topic please answer the questions in the OP.

Hope this helps :)



As you can see from the quote, that wasn’t the question I asked.


You copied another post of mine, back when you were pushing your Saturday gathering narrative.


Here is my question that you have not answered.


How do we observe the Sabbath today, so that we don’t sin by breaking the Sabbath?




JLB
 
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Not really brother, there has already been 88+ pages and no one has answered a single question in the OP here. Amazing isn't it :)?

If it was me I would want to make sure I am following God's WORD and not following the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God as outlined in the scriptures in the OP. As stated in the OP here it is JESUS alone that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Yep many are going to be dissappointed come judgment day *MATTHEW 7:23-24. Sadly however, at this tine it will be too late *REVELATION 22:12. Something to think about.

Hope this helps

PS. happy to continue answering your questions once you start addressing the questions in the OP or respond to my questions that have asked you. A dicussion goes two ways. Ignoring God's WORD and the questions asked of you do not make them dissappear.

If you do not wish to you do not have to your welcome to go and start your own thread and send me a link and I will be happy to respond to it.


Question:


How do we observe the Sabbath today, so that we don’t sin by breaking the Sabbath?



If you don’t know what constitutes a sin concerning the Sabbath, it ok. I understand.


Only, don’t keep saying you answered my question.


If you would, just think about, and try to come up with what you think might be considered a sin city ncwrning the Sabbath today, under the New Covenant.


I see that you have stated that gathering on Sunday for Church to worship the Lord, in stead of Saturday is not a sin.


If you can think of anything else, please let me know, as their are people who are searching for the truth about this subject.


Maybe you could share from your own experience, how you observe the Sabbath, so that you yourself don’t sin.





Thanks JLB
 
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As you can see from the quote, that wasn’t the question I asked.
You copied another post of mine, back when you were pushing your Saturday gathering narrative.
Here is my question that you have not answered.
How do we observe the Sabbath today, so that we don’t sin by breaking the Sabbath?

JLB

Indeed I posted your first question that you answered showing that you ignored the two responding questions asked of you in the following post. Your question the you posted was asked latter after I asked you to answer my questions that were asked of you before proceeding. Did you wish to answer them or any of the questions asked of you in ther OP?
 
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Question:
How do we observe the Sabbath today, so that we don’t sin by breaking the Sabbath?
If you don’t know what constitutes a sin concerning the Sabbath, it ok. I understand.
Only, don’t keep saying you answered my question.
If you would, just think about, and try to come up with what you think might be considered a sin city ncwrning the Sabbath today, under the New Covenant.
I see that you have stated that gathering on Sunday for Church to worship the Lord, in stead of Saturday is not a sin.
If you can think of anything else, please let me know, as their are people who are searching for the truth about this subject.
Maybe you could share from your own experience, how you observe the Sabbath, so that you yourself don’t sin.

Thanks JLB

I have plenty to share with you but not while you expect me to answer your questions when I in good faith answer your questions while you ignore mine. Did you want to answer the questions asked of you now? You do not have to if you do not wish to. These are questions related to the OP. Perhaps you can start your own thread somewhere.

If you wish to have a two way discussion I am happy to do so and will continue to answer your questions if you also answer mine. In visiting this thread to stay on topic please answer the questions in the OP.

Hope this helps :)
 
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Indeed I posted your first question that you answered showing that you ignored the two responding questions asked of you in the following post. Your question the you posted was asked latter after I asked you to answer my questions that were asked of you before proceeding. Did you wish to answer them or any of the questions asked of you in ther OP?


Sorry bro, that’s just not true.


There are people needing some advice about this matter.


How do we observe the Sabbath today, so that we don’t sin by breaking the Sabbath?



Most of us really just don’t know.





JLB
 
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Sorry bro, that’s just not true.
There are people needing some advice about this matter. How do we observe the Sabbath today, so that we don’t sin by breaking the Sabbath? Most of us really just don’t know.

JLB

What is not true? As posted earlier, I posted your first question that you asked showing that you ignored the two responding questions asked of you in the following post.

Now if you believe that is not true then fine please show me the post where you have asked any different questions in this thread before I asked you to answer my questions. If you cannot why pretend that you have? I will let God be your judge.

Your question the you recently posted was asked latter after I asked you to answer my questions that were asked of you before proceeding. Did you wish to answer them or any of the questions asked of you in ther OP here?
 
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I have plenty to share with you but not while you expect me to answer your questions when I in good faith answer your questions while you ignore mine. Did you want to answer the questions asked of you now? You do not have to if you do not wish to. These are questions related to the OP. Perhaps you can start your own thread somewhere.

If you wish to have a two way discussion I am happy to do so and will continue to answer your questions if you also answer mine. In visiting this thread to stay on topic please answer the questions in the OP.

Hope this helps :)


Here is your OP.



The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?



I agree that Saturday is the Sabbath, not Sunday.


I’m in agreement, as I have stated many times.

We need to keep God’s commandments.


That’s my answer.


We are not commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.



Now, what I’m asking you, sir, is how do we observe the Sabbath, so we don’t sin, by breaking the Sabbath.



JLB
 
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Here is your OP.



The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?



I agree that Saturday is the Sabbath, not Sunday.


I’m in agreement, as I have stated many times.

We need to keep God’s commandments.


That’s my answer.


We are not commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.



Now, what I’m asking you, sir, is how do we observe the Sabbath, so we don’t sin, by breaking the Sabbath.



JLB

Thanks for posting the OP but you did not answer a single question in the OP and the two questions asked of you after your first post was answered whch was...

1. Did you wish to answer any of the questions here in the OP?
2. Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

And for clarification.. are you saying that there is NO SCRIPTURE that says God's 4th Commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Thanks :)
 
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Thanks for posting the OP but you did not answer a single question in the OP and the two questions asked of you after your first post was answered whch was...

1. Did you wish to answer any of the questions here in the OP?
2. Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

And for clarification.. are you saying that there is NO SCRIPTURE that says God's 4th Commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Thanks :)


My answer is I agree that Saturday is the Sabbath.


The Sabbath has not changed to Sunday.



Now, what I’m asking you, sir, is how do we observe the Sabbath, so we don’t sin, by breaking the Sabbath.




JLB
 
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Goodness I just noticed that after 88 + pages seems no one is able to answer a single question from the OP here.....

The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

...................

Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts...
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Nobody will answer your questions because they can’t answer them, which is why they dance around & hopscotch so they don’t have to answer them.

My answer is I agree that Saturday is the Sabbath.


The Sabbath has not changed to Sunday.



Now, what I’m asking you, sir, is how do we observe the Sabbath, so we don’t sin, by breaking the Sabbath.




JLB
 
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My answer is I agree that Saturday is the Sabbath.


The Sabbath has not changed to Sunday.



Now, what I’m asking you, sir, is how do we observe the Sabbath, so we don’t sin, by breaking the Sabbath.




JLB


To start, we are commanded to rest from working our regular jobs, and also gathering with other believers on the Sabbath. Exodus 20:8-11 and Leviticus 23:3

That’s the basis of the Sabbath: resting from our work as God rested from His.
 
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