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These people, who are fleeing... are those that have found Christ after the rapture. The church, or all believers, were removed at the rapture.... They will not be placed under this wrath. Just as Noah was removed and Lot and his family were removed.

Noah was never removed.
Everyone who missed the boat was removed.The flood came and took all those who were not saved away.

Matthew 24:39 And they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away. So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man.

You claim theyhave found Christ.Then why are they running away from Christ?

Matthew 12:30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.

If they belonged to Christ ,they would be with Christ.
 
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I have given you proof and you have refused to even read it.

Now I am leaving this discussion brother, as there isn't any point in carrying on a conversation that will never bear any fruit.

May the Lord bless and guide you, that you may understand the truth and light of his word.

Not one single verse you have given says the saved shall flee .If the Lord is fighting for them they wouldnt need to flee.Everyone would flee from them as it is written.
 
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Not one single verse you have given says the saved shall flee .If the Lord is fighting for them they wouldn't need to flee. Everyone would flee from them as it is written.



Luke 21:20-21 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. Then let those who are in Judea escape/flee (pheugó 5343)

Who are those that are to "stay awake" and "pray that you may have the strength" to escape all these things and stand before Jesus? The saved or the unsaved?

Luke 21:36 But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape/flee (pheugó 5343) all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
 
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Not one single verse you have given says the saved shall flee .If the Lord is fighting for them they wouldnt need to flee.Everyone would flee from them as it is written.

For goodness sakes your logic is flawed.

So because God is fighting for them they shouldn't flee at His instruction? I told you they were fleeing to a place they would be kept safe in the wilderness.

Many others have helped buttress that point on this thread yet you remain adamant in your disbelief.

Didn't Lot and his family flee Sodom at God's instruction? Wasn't God on their side? Should they have catwalked to their destination because God was on their side?

I honestly don't get your premise.
 
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For goodness sakes your logic is flawed.

So because God is fighting for them they shouldn't flee at His instruction? I told you they were fleeing to place they would be kept safe in the wilderness.

Many others have helped buttress that point on this thread yet you remain adamant in your disbelief.

Didn't Lot and his family flee Sodom at God's instruction? Wasn't God on their side? Should they have catwalked to their destination because God was on their side?

I honestly don't get your premise.

The woman flees to the wilderness.
Those who have the testimony of Jesus Christ do not.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was enraged at the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore.

I guess you would flee too if you were there.
 
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For goodness sakes your logic is flawed.

So because God is fighting for them they shouldn't flee at His instruction? I told you they were fleeing to place they would be kept safe in the wilderness.

Many others have helped buttress that point on this thread yet you remain adamant in your disbelief.

Didn't Lot and his family flee Sodom at God's instruction? Wasn't God on their side? Should they have catwalked to their destination because God was on their side?

I honestly don't get your premise.

My logic is,according to scripture,Jesus is in Jerusalem when they flee.If they belonged to Christ ,then they would have become immortal.Why would they need to flee when they can not die?
If they do not belong to Christ then they need to flee because they have no saviour.

1 Corinthians 15:53 For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

Why would you flee when you can not die?
 
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Luke 21:20-21 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. Then let those who are in Judea escape/flee (pheugó 5343)

Who are those that are to "stay awake" and "pray that you may have the strength" to escape all these things and stand before Jesus? The saved or the unsaved?

Luke 21:36 But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape/flee (pheugó 5343) all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

According to scripture,the Lamb is standing on the mt of olives while the people are fleeing.If they belonged to Christ they would be immortal at that time.

1 Corinthians 15:53 For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

Why would you flee if you can not be killed by anything?
 
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That's exactly the point I'm making. The woman is Israel, aka the Jewish remnant.

The water spewed from the mouth of the Dragon to overtake her are the armies he sent to capture Jerusalem. Then the earth opened it's mouth to help her; that's the earthquake that occurs which enables them flee out of Jerusalem.

Did I have to break down everything to this simple a form before you get it?
 
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That's exactly the point I'm making. The woman is Israel, aka the Jewish remnant.

The water spewed from the mouth of the Dragon to overtake her are the armies he sent to capture Jerusalem. Then the earth opened it's mouth to help her; that's the earthquake that occurs which enables them flee out of Jerusalem.

Did I have to break down everything to this simple a form before you get it?

As i said.If they belonged to Christ ,they would be immortal. According to scripture,the Lamb is standing on the mt of olives.

1 Corinthians 15:53 For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

If they belonged to Christ they would be immortal.Why would you flee if you cant die?
 
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As i said.If they belonged to Christ ,they would be immortal. According to scripture,the Lamb is standing on the mt of olives.

1 Corinthians 15:53 For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

If they belonged to Christ they would be immortal.Why would you flee if you cant die?

Someone already explained this to you earlier.

Jesus isn't literally standing on the Mount of Olives in Zechariah. It is meant in a spiritual sense to mean the earthquake was orchestrated by God.

This happens mid-tribulation. Jesus comes after tribulation.
 
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Someone already explained this to you earlier.

Jesus isn't literally standing on the Mount of Olives in Zechariah. It is meant in a spiritual sense to mean the earthquake was orchestrated by God.

This happens mid-tribulation. Jesus comes after tribulation.
Zechariah 14:4 On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half the mountain moving to the north and half to the south.

Zechariah 14:5 You will flee by My mountain valley, for it will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with Him.

So your saying the Lord doesnt come.His feet are not standing on,the mt of olives.
How about the holy ones that are with him,are they not there also?
 
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Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Did you miss the part where it says "then"...meaning afterwards, describing a future event.

So your saying only the first verse is not the truth and you believe the second verse takes place three and a half years later?

According to revelation ,the resurection takes place at the time of the earthquake. Are you forgetting that?
According to revelation,three days after the ten horns have captured jerusalem,the resurection takes place and the earthquake takes place.But your saying Jesus doesnt come till three and a half years after the resurection.
Who resurects those who come back to life?
 
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So your saying only the first verse is not the truth and you believe the second verse takes place three and a half years later?

According to revelation ,the resurection takes place at the time of the earthquake. Are you forgetting that?

I'm not saying the first verse isn't the truth, I'm saying you have a wrong interpretation of it.

Yes the second verse takes place three and half years later. There are two great earthquakes in tribulation; one at the middle and one at the end when Jesus returns. The one in Zechariah 14 is the one at the middle of tribulation. This is the same earthquake that occurs at the resurrection of the two witnesses in Revelation 11. This earthquake enables the remnant Jews flee invaded Israel.

Another greater earthquake occurs at the end of tribulation; on the day Jesus comes. It's the greatest earthquake ever known in the history of man. This is the same earthquake of Revelation 6:12 and 16:18.
 
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I'm not saying the first verse isn't the truth, I'm saying you have a wrong interpretation of it.

Yes the second verse takes place three and half years later. There are two great earthquakes in tribulation; one at the middle and one at the end when Jesus returns. The one in Zechariah 14 is the one at the middle of tribulation. This is the same earthquake that occurs at the resurrection of the two witnesses in Revelation 11. This earthquake that enables the remnant Jews flee invaded Israel.

Another greater earthquake occurs at the end of tribulation; on the day Jesus comes. It's the greatest earthquake ever known in the history of man. This is the same earthquake of Revelation 6:12 and 16:18.

So you are saying the resurection takes place three and a half years before Christ comes.

Who resurects those at the time of the earthquake?
I was under the impression that Jesus is the resurection.

John 6:40 KJV: And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So you believe the two witnesses are resurected by someone other than Christ and they dont belong to him.
You believe there are at least two eearthquakes to hit jerusalem three and a half years apart.
 
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Noah was never removed.
Everyone who missed the boat was removed.The flood came and took all those who were not saved away.

Matthew 24:39 And they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away. So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man.

You claim theyhave found Christ.Then why are they running away from Christ?

Matthew 12:30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.

If they belonged to Christ ,they would be with Christ.
If you're not saved... you will miss the boat.... Noah preached for 100 years as to the flood coming and what the ark was for..

The bible has been telling us for 2000 years of the coming tribulation..

Those that believed Noah... got on the ark... zero, zilch.... only his family.

Those that believe Christ will be raptured.... that's right.... only His family.. His bride... His children...

They won't be running from God... they will be running from the beast and the WWG and the taking of the mark or beheading.
 
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I'm not saying the first verse isn't the truth, I'm saying you have a wrong interpretation of it.

Yes the second verse takes place three and half years later. There are two great earthquakes in tribulation; one at the middle and one at the end when Jesus returns. The one in Zechariah 14 is the one at the middle of tribulation. This is the same earthquake that occurs at the resurrection of the two witnesses in Revelation 11. This earthquake enables the remnant Jews flee invaded Israel.

Another greater earthquake occurs at the end of tribulation; on the day Jesus comes. It's the greatest earthquake ever known in the history of man. This is the same earthquake of Revelation 6:12 and 16:18.

So your saying thr first resurection which takes place after the tribulation is not the first resurection.

Revelation 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection.

Your saying the first resurection takes place three and a half years before Christ comes.
Hmmmm
This just keeps getting better by the minut.
 
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You didn't answer my question, so I'll as again:

Luke 21:20-21 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. Then let those who are in Judea escape/flee (pheugó 5343)

Who are those that are to "stay awake" and "pray that you may have the strength" to escape all these things and stand before Jesus? The saved or the unsaved?

Luke 21:36 But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape/flee (pheugó 5343) all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”


As i said.If they belonged to Christ ,they would be immortal. According to scripture,the Lamb is standing on the mt of olives.

1 Corinthians 15:53 For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

If they belonged to Christ they would be immortal.Why would you flee if you cant die?

Now, I will address your argument, but first I want to make sure I understand you. Please, correct me if I am wrong.

your argument appears to be:

If the resurrection occurs as the 2nd coming of Christ, and the 2nding coming of Christ is his feet standing on the mount of olives, then those fleeing cannot be those who belong to Christ.

 
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So your saying thr first resurection which takes place after the tribulation is not the first resurection.

Revelation 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection.

Your saying the first resurection takes place three and a half years before Christ comes.
Hmmmm
This just keeps getting better by the minut.

Okay now you're attempting to put words in my mouth.

Get this. The resurrection which takes place after tribulation at the coming of Christ IS the first resurrection. Nothing changes that.

The fact that two witnesses who are practically reincarnations of Moses and Elijah came on a mission from God, died and resurrected at the end of their mission doesn't make that the first resurrection. Moses and Elijah already lived their lives. They're only on earth sent by God on a mission. Elijah came earlier as John the Baptist to clear the way for Jesus. He's coming again with Moses in the first half of tribulation. Study your scriptures please, I can't explain everything.

Scriptures say they resurrected three and half days after they died. If that was the first resurrection then that means we should know the day Jesus comes because the first resurrection occurs on the day Jesus comes.

So what you're saying is Jesus comes on the day the two witnesses resurrected. And Jesus Himself says "no one knows the day nor the hour." Aren't you already contradicting yourself?.
 
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