I can't accept Jesus as my saviour

My King and Lord · Mar 7, 2019

Oscarr said:
I have attached my Ebook that might be a help to you.

I have one question about the E-book. Jesus is God as seen in John 1:1 John 1:14 John 10:30 along with numerous other verses. But why do these books and articles always say God sacrificed his son, when it was God himself that was on the cross?

FireDragon76 · Mar 7, 2019

That is definitely not an easy place to be.

It sounds to me you have already accepted Christianity as true but you are wondering how you can possibly live with that truth.

Zeerich said:
I can't get baptized yet. I do not live near a church and I am close of age, but not 18 yet. It makes me kind of sad, I heard the only way to receive salvation and get the Holy Spirit is to be baptized. Maybe a year from now or if I am lucky, a few months from now.

Some Christians believe that, others don't.

I don't think as a Lutheran we would put it quite that way, even though most of us are baptized as infants, we recognize that people can come to faith as an adult through hearing the Gospel. And it is faith that justifies us, whether it is received in baptism or as an adult through hearing the Gospel does not matter. Most churches that think the way you are talking about (baptism is absolutely necessary in all cases) are from the American Restorationist/Campbellite tradition, but it is not common to all American evangelicals. I know Baptists would not believe that baptism is necessary for salvation, they would think of it as something you do to show your have accepted Jesus.

Zeerich said:
I have one question about the E-book. Jesus is God as seen in John 1:1 John 1:14 John 10:30 along with numerous other verses. But why do these books and articles always say God sacrificed his son, when it was God himself that was on the cross?

Christians sometimes use less precise statements or engage in a kind of shorthand. Technically, God the Father sent Jesus the Son to be a sacrifice for our sins, that would be more precise.

Zeerich said:
Can I confess and get baptized when I can, probably about a year from now instead? If I could get baptized right now, trust me, I would.

Yes (though I'm not even sure what confession even means in this context, you just either believe and have faith or you don't, faith is something God works in us, not something we do). Most mainline churches, Protestant or Catholic, would want you to be an adult an undergo catechism first anyways.

Presbyterian Continuist · Mar 7, 2019

Zeerich said:
I have one question about the E-book. Jesus is God as seen in John 1:1 John 1:14 John 10:30 along with numerous other verses. But why do these books and articles always say God sacrificed his son, when it was God himself that was on the cross?

This is because God is in three Persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These three are in absolute unity of character, nature, and purpose. The Father is the great Designer, the Son is the Executive who creates the design, and the Holy Spirit is the power to make it happen. So in a sense, "God" is a plural word. Christians call it "the Trinity".

so, it was God the Father who sent Jesus to show His nature and character to people, and God the Son was the Person who came to do His Father's will and to become our substitute for sin on the cross, and it was the Holy Spirit who came to empower the church after Jesus was ascended into heaven, and to represent Jesus in the lives of every genuine Christian believer.

This is why the Bible says it is "Christ in you, the hope of glory". It is the Holy Spirit who is in you as soon as you accept Jesus as Saviour, and because it is the role of the Holy Spirit to fully represent Jesus, it is the same as having Jesus in you.

Rescued One · Mar 7, 2019

Welcome!

I would like to explain something about our Savior. His reason for dying was not to protect us from armies or murderers. He was/is the Sacrificial Lamb. He gave His life as a sacrifice for the sins of all(people from every nation) who have faith in His blood.
If our sins are forgiven, we will spend eternity with God. And in heaven there is no sickness or sorrow. On earth there is sickness and sorrow, but Christians look forward to heaven and are grateful for the amount of love God has for us.

It takes a long time to learn what the Bible teaches. I joined Mormonism at age eighteen and left when I was thirty. I knew very little about the Bible. Now I'm in my seventies. I've been through a lot of hard experiences and wondered how much God wanted me to endure. Now I can look back and my faith is stronger than before.

I want you to know that the years and my troubles have taught me to have patience with those who come from different backgrounds and are trying to find a new way of life. Many Americans don't realize that there are differences among Muslims and that people who are new to the Christian faith have a lot of questions. We need to stop making mental barriers between us and those from other backgrounds. My parents had no faith on Christ or religion. So I learned a lesson from their views that I didn't share. My father judged people based on the amount of education they had. My mother assumed that people in certain states were rednecks and ridiculed rednecks. She would say, "I don't like people from that state." Oh, dear! People are individuals.

I'm sorry if I shared too much. I hope you feel welcomed here.

Proverbs 15
1 A gentle answer turns away wrath,
but a harsh word stirs up anger.

P. S. I know very little about Islam. But I will try to find time to answer your questions. I'm particularly interested in talking about the Trinity as I was non-Trinitarian as a Mormon.

My King and Lord · Mar 7, 2019

Sketcher said:
What I meant was confess now, get baptized later. Assuming that you are ready to commit the rest of your life to following Jesus. Life will probably be harder for you if you do, but when you are ready to embrace that challenge and hold on no matter what, no matter how angry your father or other relatives get, or if you get cornered by people who hate Christians, or if you have to turn down a lucrative opportunity that would absolutely force you to sin, make that confession to God and tell another Christian in person.

What about my native nation? Let's say it is in South Asia and was on the news recently. If you haven't guessed it is Pakistan. I have been there before many times and my whole family lives there. I always felt at home there, that is where my people live. The thing is though, is that Islam is a huge identity in the nation and in my ethnic group, which is both in Pakistan and Afghanistan and the province that I am from has almost no Christians at all. The country is very Islamist, not secular at all, though it used to be mostly secular. Some people see the Iranian Regime as a good example, even though many Iranians despise the Islamist regime. Unlike Iran or Turkey many people there are islamist and apart from St. Thomas and colonialism the nation has no history with christianity. Christians and even muslims accused of false "blasphemy" charges. I want to go back there, but it is in pretty bad shape, especially for Christians. I know it will just be something I have to sacrifice. To be honest I always secretly wished it was a united India. It would have had so much potential, but humans look to their differences rather than similarities. The best these nations can do is to make an Indian subcontinent union between different nations and have good relations. But this isn't the forum for me to talk about politics and history.

Sketcher · Mar 7, 2019

Zeerich said:
What about my native nation? Let's say it is in South Asia and was on the news recently. If you haven't guessed it is Pakistan. I have been there before many times and my whole family lives there. I always felt at home there, that is where my people live. The thing is though, is that Islam is a huge identity in the nation and in my ethnic group, which is both in Pakistan and Afghanistan and the province that I am from has almost no Christians at all. The country is very Islamist, not secular at all, though it used to be mostly secular. Some people see the Iranian Regime as a good example, even though many Iranians despise the Islamist regime. Unlike Iran or Turkey many people there are islamist and apart from St. Thomas and colonialism the nation has no history with christianity. Christians and even muslims accused of false "blasphemy" charges. I want to go back there, but it is in pretty bad shape, especially for Christians. I know it will just be something I have to sacrifice. To be honest I always secretly wished it was a united India. It would have had so much potential, but humans look to their differences rather than similarities. The best these nations can do is to make an Indian subcontinent union between different nations and have good relations. But this isn't the forum for me to talk about politics and history.

Well, you have a better idea than I do of what you might face should you go back there. And if you become Christian, God may send you there as a Christian, and you may have to face some of that persecution that you fear. But since I believe the claims of Christianity are true, I therefore must believe that it will be worth it for you, even if you get no payback in this life, there is still the next one, and that is the life that matters more since it will last forever.

My King and Lord · Mar 7, 2019

Sketcher said:
Well, you have a better idea than I do of what you might face should you go back there. And if you become Christian, God may send you there as a Christian, and you may have to face some of that persecution that you fear. But since I believe the claims of Christianity are true, I therefore must believe that it will be worth it for you, even if you get no payback in this life, there is still the next one, and that is the life that matters more since it will last forever.

It is such a shame people actual discriminate due to faith. I have a Coptic friend who was mocked when he was in Egypt for his Christian faith. This can go for all faiths as well not just Christians, but 80% of religious persecution currently are Christians and Christianity is slowly dying in the Middle East, the place where it originated from. Humans can really be cruel to one another for no reason.

SouthernBlessedOne · Mar 7, 2019

Welcome and thanks for sharing your story. Jesus is truly pulling at your heart. You will have to lay down things to follow Him. He is to be first above all else, so it will take a step of faith. Just keep reading in His Word daily and He will reveal Himself more and more. Don't ever feel like you've done too much wrong to follow Jesus. The apostle Paul has such a powerful testimony. He persecuted and killed Christians before Jesus personally touched His life. So no one has done too much that God can't use them for good. I pray God will keep drawing you closer to Him.

My King and Lord · Mar 7, 2019

I know prayer is suppose to be between me and the father, but I can't hold it. I feel better already. The dam that seperated me from the spirit has been broken. My heart feels better literally and spiritually. I accepted Jesus as Son of God, Lord and Saviour, died on the cross for my sins, rose on the third day, and confessed that I am a sinner and that Lord Jesus may forgive. I asked him to come into my heart and purify my soul and thanked him for dying for my sins and granting me eternal life. Thank you Jesus and thank you guys for encouraging me to accept him.

Carl Emerson · Mar 8, 2019

Zeerich,

This is a wonderful day.

Welcome to the family of God.

Rest in His enormous love.

Blessings,

Carl Emerson.

JLB777 · Mar 8, 2019

Zeerich said:
I guess I am scared for the future. I don't know what will happen when I accept Jesus and I do not know how to honour and worship him apart from reading the Bible and prayers. He deserves much more than that. I really wished I had someone in my life that can talk to me about Jesus.

Try to get alone in your room, and start by calling upon His name and asking Him to fill your life with His Spirit.

Here is what He told Abraham.

Now the Lord had said to Abram:
“Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house,
To a land that I will show you.
I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.
I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
Genesis 12:1-4

JLB

Neostarwcc · Mar 8, 2019

Welcome to CF! :hug:

First of all congratulations on accepting Jesus it's the first step in your Christian walk. The second step would be to find a church and get baptized. Given your current living situation that's probably not possible and if you do move back to your homeland that will probably be impossible too. Just keep studying the Bible and praying to God as baptism is not a requirement for salvation. Do not fear persecution though because all Christians are persecuted in this unbelieving world not just the Muslim or Jewish ones. My family mostly doesn't like that I am Christian either. I've had to make Christian friends online and worship together with them online. Jesus said that those who endure to the end and endure trials not only will be saved but will also be rewarded by him by receiving the crown of life (Revelation 2:10) . So no Christian will go without being eternally rewarded in heaven.

Some Christians say the crown of life is eternal life but, I think it's a physical literal crown because of what Revelation 2:10 and James 1:12 says. Anyway, congratulations on accepting Jesus! I will be praying for you. If you ever want a Christian friend to talk to I'm here for you. I don't bite.

Albion · Mar 8, 2019

Zeerich said:
I guess I am scared for the future. I don't know what will happen when I accept Jesus and I do not know how to honour and worship him apart from reading the Bible and prayers. He deserves much more than that. I really wished I had someone in my life that can talk to me about Jesus.

Have you ever thought of associating with...a church? You know, the people who have answers to give, who worship the Lord, study his word, and so on?

“Paisios” · Mar 8, 2019

Albion said:
Have you ever thought of associating with...a church? You know, the people who have answers to give, who worship the Lord, study his word, and so on?

He did say that he is not yet of adult age and does not live near a church. He may have family issues that would interfere at this time also.

Zeerich said:
I can't go to church, I can't get baptized, I can't do anything on Sunday, and I can't talk to anyone about Jesus.

Zeerich said:
About the Baptism part, I do not live near a church and I am not 18 yet. I don't want to reveal my exact age, but I will be 18 soon.

@Zeerich - welcome to the forums. You can certainly talk to us here about Jesus, and I am sure there are many that are willing to help answer your questions. You might also find the Chaplains here helpful.

Chaplains Office

Albion · Mar 8, 2019

“Paisios” said:
He did say that he is not yet of adult age and does not live near a church. He may have family issues that would interfere at this time also.

True, true. I read the latter part of that Original Post rather too quickly.

paul1149 · Mar 8, 2019

Zeerich said:
. I accepted Jesus as Son of God, Lord and Saviour, died on the cross for my sins, rose on the third day, and confessed that I am a sinner and that Lord Jesus may forgive. I asked him to come into my heart and purify my soul and thanked him for dying for my sins and granting me eternal life.

That is so awesome. May you continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord, Jesus Christ. I thought of this passage when reading your first post:

I thank him who has given me strength, Christ Jesus our Lord, because he judged me faithful, appointing me to his service,
though formerly I was a blasphemer, persecutor, and insolent opponent. But I received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief,
and the grace of our Lord overflowed for me with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost.
But I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life. -1Tim 1:12-16

Southernscotty · Mar 8, 2019

Glory to God!! Hallelujah and welcome to the family Sister

pink318 · Mar 8, 2019

Zeerich said:
Hello I am new to this website and created this account today. Sorry if I posted this on the wrong thread, but I just have to get this off of my chest I can't find it anywhere on the internet. Basically I am a American muslim, well former muslim. I tried my best to be the most educated and dedicated muslim. I did all the prayers on time, fasted two times each month, recited Quran daily, and very well educated in Islam and Islamic history. Despite all this there were unanswered questions and I never really felt a connection. I always felt interested in Christianity, despite how much I would try to convince myself it is a false religion. I would read christian novels, research christian history, and I would always look and check out the books on Christianity in the library. I remember the one and only time I was in a church my eyes were fixed on this mosaic of Jesus. I felt more disconnected with Islam I tried Quran-only, but there was too much conflict within the community on basic stuff lie prayer or hajj. Not to mention many of them believed in flat earth. One night when I was reading Surah 19, I asked myself, "What is a messiah?" The Quran and hadith make no requirement for the messiah, Jesus is just the messiah. A messiah is supposed to be a saviour, yet Jesus didn't save the Children of Israel from anything. That is like if I wanna be President, but there are no requirements to be President. More and more questions began to appear. "If Muhammad is the last prophet, why will Jesus come back? Why would Allah allow Christians to worship Jesus for 600 years? Why is Dajjal often referred to as the Anti-Christ and why is Jesus the only one capable of killing him? Why would the followers of Jesus immediately worship him after his death? Why would Jesus abandon his followers like a coward?" When I started to examine the scriptures, Jesus is ironically God. 4:171 states that Jesus is a Messenger of Allah(Son), had His Word(Father), and had the spirit(Holy Spirit). Or how in Sahih Muslim book 1 hadith 296 it states Jesus will come down as a "just judge." Who else can be a judge, but God? I can go on and on, but it will take too long. There was too much about Islam that contradicted itself like how idolatry is a sin, yet muslims bow down 5 times a day to the Kaaba, kiss the Blackstone, and circle it 7 times. The fact that in 5:116 and 9:30 it states Trinity is father, son, and mother(Mary) and that Jews believe Ezra is the son of God(even though Muhammad took an oath on the torah Sunan Abi Dawud book 40 hadith 96). Most muslims woud hate to admit this, but Muhammad is heavily idolized in Islam. Allah and Muhammad himself admit that he is a sinner,(47:19 and Sahih Bukhari book 97 hadith 15) but most muslims, specifically sunnis, believe he was sinless and do whatever he does, even if it goes against the Quran. Lastly the Quran/hadiths admits Muhammad is a false prophet. 69:44-46 states if Muhammad made a false saying his aorta would have been cut and in Sahih Bukhari book 64 hadith 450 Muhammad states that he feels that his aorta is being cut. Anyways back to christianity, it took me months to realize that christianity is the religion. The accuracy and reliable of the New Testament, life and divinity of Jesus, sudden conversion of the apostles, the apostles being executed, persecution of early christians, and biggest one, the resurrection. I am currently reading the New Testament and Jesus crucifixion(in all the gospels)and Paul's conversion made me cry, something the Quran never made me do. I can't stop thinking about Jesus, sometimes tears come down from my eyes for the sacrifice he did for me. His name and story makes me smile and feel good inside. I want to accept Jesus, but I can't. I committed many horrible sins in the past including insults/blasphemy against christians and christainity. I will loose my whole family. I can't really go back to my homeland, even though I really want to. I always wanted to move back, but if I convert it will be harder for me over there. Overall just the challenges and guilt I have, it's too hard. I keep telling myself after I finish the New Testament, but I also say I should just confess now. Even if I convert what am I gonna do? I can't go to church, I can't get baptized, I can't do anything on Sunday, and I can't talk to anyone about Jesus. How am I suppose to build a stronger relation with God apart from reading the Bible? My grades are going down and for some reason I am experiencing jealously because of it. I even have an assignment I have to do now. That is all I have to say, sorry that this thread is too long I just had to put this out there.

Hi Zeerich,

Welcome to the forum. I was the first member of my family who accepted Jesus as my Saviour and Lord. At first, I was hesitant and scared because my parents would get angry. My family was devoted to my previous faith so I was worried that my mother would get mad at me. I prayed and thankfully, my mother did not say anything when I first saw her after she knew that I gave my life to Jesus. Acts 16:31 "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, along with everyone in your household." God is great because everyone in my household already accepted Jesus.

Jesus alone can bring us to heaven and He will accept us no matter what we did. All we have to do is confess and turn away from our sins. I pray that God’s will be done upon your life and you will honor Him. Keep us posted, God bless.

mnorian · Mar 8, 2019

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Maria Billingsley · Mar 8, 2019

Zeerich said:
Hello I am new to this website and created this account today. Sorry if I posted this on the wrong thread, but I just have to get this off of my chest I can't find it anywhere on the internet. Basically I am a American muslim, well former muslim. I tried my best to be the most educated and dedicated muslim. I did all the prayers on time, fasted two times each month, recited Quran daily, and very well educated in Islam and Islamic history. Despite all this there were unanswered questions and I never really felt a connection. I always felt interested in Christianity, despite how much I would try to convince myself it is a false religion. I would read christian novels, research christian history, and I would always look and check out the books on Christianity in the library. I remember the one and only time I was in a church my eyes were fixed on this mosaic of Jesus. I felt more disconnected with Islam I tried Quran-only, but there was too much conflict within the community on basic stuff lie prayer or hajj. Not to mention many of them believed in flat earth. One night when I was reading Surah 19, I asked myself, "What is a messiah?" The Quran and hadith make no requirement for the messiah, Jesus is just the messiah. A messiah is supposed to be a saviour, yet Jesus didn't save the Children of Israel from anything. That is like if I wanna be President, but there are no requirements to be President. More and more questions began to appear. "If Muhammad is the last prophet, why will Jesus come back? Why would Allah allow Christians to worship Jesus for 600 years? Why is Dajjal often referred to as the Anti-Christ and why is Jesus the only one capable of killing him? Why would the followers of Jesus immediately worship him after his death? Why would Jesus abandon his followers like a coward?" When I started to examine the scriptures, Jesus is ironically God. 4:171 states that Jesus is a Messenger of Allah(Son), had His Word(Father), and had the spirit(Holy Spirit). Or how in Sahih Muslim book 1 hadith 296 it states Jesus will come down as a "just judge." Who else can be a judge, but God? I can go on and on, but it will take too long. There was too much about Islam that contradicted itself like how idolatry is a sin, yet muslims bow down 5 times a day to the Kaaba, kiss the Blackstone, and circle it 7 times. The fact that in 5:116 and 9:30 it states Trinity is father, son, and mother(Mary) and that Jews believe Ezra is the son of God(even though Muhammad took an oath on the torah Sunan Abi Dawud book 40 hadith 96). Most muslims woud hate to admit this, but Muhammad is heavily idolized in Islam. Allah and Muhammad himself admit that he is a sinner,(47:19 and Sahih Bukhari book 97 hadith 15) but most muslims, specifically sunnis, believe he was sinless and do whatever he does, even if it goes against the Quran. Lastly the Quran/hadiths admits Muhammad is a false prophet. 69:44-46 states if Muhammad made a false saying his aorta would have been cut and in Sahih Bukhari book 64 hadith 450 Muhammad states that he feels that his aorta is being cut. Anyways back to christianity, it took me months to realize that christianity is the religion. The accuracy and reliable of the New Testament, life and divinity of Jesus, sudden conversion of the apostles, the apostles being executed, persecution of early christians, and biggest one, the resurrection. I am currently reading the New Testament and Jesus crucifixion(in all the gospels)and Paul's conversion made me cry, something the Quran never made me do. I can't stop thinking about Jesus, sometimes tears come down from my eyes for the sacrifice he did for me. His name and story makes me smile and feel good inside. I want to accept Jesus, but I can't. I committed many horrible sins in the past including insults/blasphemy against christians and christainity. I will loose my whole family. I can't really go back to my homeland, even though I really want to. I always wanted to move back, but if I convert it will be harder for me over there. Overall just the challenges and guilt I have, it's too hard. I keep telling myself after I finish the New Testament, but I also say I should just confess now. Even if I convert what am I gonna do? I can't go to church, I can't get baptized, I can't do anything on Sunday, and I can't talk to anyone about Jesus. How am I suppose to build a stronger relation with God apart from reading the Bible? My grades are going down and for some reason I am experiencing jealously because of it. I even have an assignment I have to do now. That is all I have to say, sorry that this thread is too long I just had to put this out there.

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