WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

LoveGodsWord · Mar 6, 2019

klutedavid said:
I am not twisting the scripture because I just posted one verse without commenting. You need to apologize for that nasty comment. Here is the verse I quoted. Hebrews 7:18-19 For on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness for the Law made nothing perfect. So what commandment was set aside LGW?

David you were indeed using the scriptures to try to say something they were not saying. You posted the scripture in response to this post below from KOAN which said...

Kaon said: ↑ Where did The Most High God, and/or the Word of God Himself said that any of the Law is null, void, or inapplicable? I am not even picky; you can show me a source from apocrypha, gnostics or the canon where The Most High God, and/or the Word of God Himself said that any of the Law is null, void, or inapplicable.

The question was asked where did God's WORD say that his law (in reference to God's 10 commandments) is null and void or inapplicable. You responded with posting Hebrew 7:18-19 as an answer to KOAN'S question above as if to say here is the scripture that says God's 10 Commandments are null and void here...

klutedavid said: ↑ Hebrews 7:18-19 For on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness for the Law made nothing perfect

Now your asking me...

klutedavid said:
So what commandment was set aside LGW?

As shown above, your trying to argue that the change in the law in HEBREWS 7:12 is in reference to the 10 Commandments because you think that the OLD COVENANT is only the 10 commandments. The scripture already posted on this topic elsewhere show that the OLD COVENANT include both the 10 commandments and the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT for remission of sins *EXODUS 24:8. The MOSIAC BOOK of the law contained all the SHADOW laws for remission of sin, ceremonial ordinances and laws for the Levitical priest hood. HEBREWS 7 is talking about these very SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 for the laws for a change of Priesthood

Let's look at the scriptures...

HEBREWS 7:1-28
[1], For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
[2], To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
[3], Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like to the Son of God; stays a priest continually.
[4], Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
[5], And truly they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brothers, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

NOTE: In the earthly Sanctuary only those from the tribe of Levi could be Priests. Jesus was from the tribe of Judah also note that the context of the chapter now is the Priesthood and the king and Priest in the days of Abraham named Melchisedec.

[6], But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
[7], And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
[8], And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
[9], And as I may so say, Levi also, who receives tithes, paid tithes in Abraham.
[10], For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
[11], If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

NOTE: Topic is on the Levitical Priesthood the law we are talking about are the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *Exodus 40:12-15; Leviticus 1-23. The Priesthood was to be only for the tribe of Levi under the OLD COVENANT.

[12], For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[13], For he of whom these things are spoken pertains to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[14], For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
[15], And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there rises another priest,

NOTE: Jesus from the tribe of Judah is now our great high Priest from the order of Melchisedec. No more animal sacrifices.

[16], Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
[17], For he testifies, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
[18], For there is truly a cancellation of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[19], For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw near to God.
[20], And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
[21], For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said to him, The Lord swore and will not repent, You are a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
[22], By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
[23], And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
[24], But this man, because he continues ever, has an unchangeable priesthood.
[25], Why he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come to God by him, seeing he ever lives to make intercession for them.
[26], For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
[27], Who needs not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
[28], For the law makes men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, makes the Son, who is consecrated for ever more.

NOTE: v28 does the 10 commandments make men high Priests or does the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *Exodus 40:12-15; Leviticus 1-23?

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CONCLUSION: HEBREWS 7:12 in relation to the change of laws is talking about the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW not the 10 commandments and a change in the Priesthood and the laws that accompany it from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *Exodus 24:7. Not the 10 commandments.

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Mar 6, 2019

Dale said:
You are senselessly repeating what has just been disproven directly from Scripture.

What have you proven with scripture? I have asked you more then once now please provide the scriptures that support your claims that;

1. The Ark of the covenant was captured by invading armies and destroyed
2. Israel built another ARK after the ARK was destroyed
3. The Ark of the the covenant was destroyed the second time by the Romans in 70 AD.

So far you have provided no scripture for the any of the statements and claims you have made above (1-3). If you do not have any scriptures for the claims and statements you are making why pretend that you do?

Only God's WORD is true brother and you have not provided any for your claims that the Ark of God was captured and destroyed and rebuilt by Israel and destroyed a second time. As asked of you earlier, you do not have any scriptures for your claims now do you.

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Mar 6, 2019

Kermos said:
You keep trying to add your interpretation of the scriptures into the text, and this is proven out because God's Word commands not to make a likeness, period.

Not at all, You have been provided God's WORD showing the CONTEXT you leave out of your interpreation of the scriptures on more then one occasion. These are God's WORD not my words. In response you choose to ignore all the posts and scriptures in them only sent in love and as a help for you showing your errors of interpretation of the scriptures. Your response is to part quote my posts (snips) and provide your own words over God's WORD. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear. You are free to BELIEVE and do as you wish we all stand before God come judment day. I do not judge you because I am a sinner but the WORD of GOD that we reject or accept will be our judge on this day *JOHN 12:47-48. Sadly at this time for many it will be too late when they had the Word of God and chose to turn away from it *MATTHEW 7:22-23.

Kermos said:
You write as though God said only one thing there; however, God commanded multiple things there. The sentence in Verse 4 of Exodus 20:2-6 is complete and discrete. God's Word commands not to worship "them" which can be either "gods" from Verse 2 and/or "idol"s from Verse 4, yet neither Verse 2 nor Verse 4 grammatically depends on Verse 5; therefore, "Logical Conclusion to Keeping the Old Covenant Law Post" (in this thread) in which a drivers license or some such with a likeness of a person who keeps the Law of the Old Covenant remains logically and lexically correct. This is proven out further by the "Grammatical Explanation of Exodus 20:2-6 Post for the Logical Conclusion to Keeping the Old Covenant Law Post" (in this thread).

Rubbish, your only repeating yourself brother without addressing any of the posts and scriptures provided and sent in love as a help to you. Grammer does not overwite CONTEXT. If you wish to leave out the CONTEXT of EXODUS 20:3-6 that determines the CONTEXT of EXODUS 20:4 it is up to you.

As posted earlier the CONTEXT you leave out of EXODUS 20:4 has lead you to errors in your interpretation of the scriptures. When CONTEXT is added back into EXODUS 20:4 and read with EXODUS 20:3-6 the interpretation of the scriptures are read in reference to making idols and serving other Gods as shown below.

EXODUS 20:3-6
[3], You shall have no other gods before me.
[4], You shall not make to you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
[5], You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[6], And showing mercy to thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

When you add the context back in to EXODUS 20:4 with EXODUS 20:3-6 it does not say what you are claiming brother.

Now by all means brother, God's 1st and 2nd Commandments *EXODUS 20:3-6 are two of God's 10 commandments that in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 commandments just like God's 4th commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11.

If you believe that for example you should not have any photos of anything or painting etc for the sake of not having them then by all means please go ahead and live by what you believe God's WORD is saying to you because it is written...

JAMES 4:17 [17], Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

Now do you have any photos, paintings, replicas of anything in the heavens or under from the earth in your home and if you have does that mean you are sinning against God?

Kermos said:
By the way, we believers under the New Covenant which is in the Blood of Jesus Christ are not bound by the Old Covenant and the Old Covenant includes the 10 commandments. We believers under the New Covenant which is in the Blood of Jesus Christ are bound by the Spirit of the Living God, and we believers act and speak in accordance with God's Word period, and God's Word in the "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" (in this thread) shows this point!

As shown earlier, through the scriptures it is your understanding of what you think the OLD COVENANT was. You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to? This has already been addressed with the scriptures most recetnly and elswhere in post # 1611 linked. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear.

No one has God's SPIRIT while KNOWINGLY rejecting his WORD and living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN neither do they know God and need to be Born Again to LOVE * 1 JOHN 3:3-10; HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD? No one is a BELIEVER of God's WORD while KNOWINGLY breaking any one of God's 10 commandments.

1 JOHN 2:3-4
[3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .
[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

LoveGodsWord · Mar 6, 2019

NBB said:
In romans there there is no way you can interpret that way.

Well that is not true brother. Where is the scripture that says ROMANS 14 is talking about God's 4th commandment Sabbath? There is none.

Your just repeating yourself here brother and disagreeing for the sake of disagreements sake without addressing any of the scriptures provided as a help to you as shown in post # 1597 linked.

ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, and judging others not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

Romans 14 says nothing about the Sabbath and you have no scripture to say it does. If you have no scripture showing that ROMANS 14 is talking about God's 4th commandment why pretend that it does?

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.
It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Mar 7, 2019

NBB said:
The second scripture i am talking about colossians 2:16 that says nobody judge you about sabbath days, and that is all sabbaths not some obscure ones.

Happy to talk about COLOSSIANS 2 if you like as it supports what I have been sharing here and that is that these scriptures are in reference to the SHADOW laws from the MOAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT with v16 being in reference to the SHADOW laws in ANNUAL FEAST DAYS. The ceremonial ANNUAL sabbaths are not God's 4th Commandment SEVENTH DAY weekly Sabbath.

2 CHRONICLES 8:12-13
12, Then Solomon offered burnt offerings unto the LORD on the altar of the LORD, which he had built before the porch,
13, Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.

PAUL in COLOSSIANS 2:16 is referring to the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures which there are many for example here...

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17], And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, IN THE FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the SIN OFFERINGS, and the MEAT OFFERINGS, and the BURNT OFFERINGS, and the PEACE OFFERINGS, TO MAKE RECONCILIATION FOR THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL.

These were all SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW. Yep no more sin offerings and FEASTS days that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVEANANT.

The annual ceremonial Sabbaths of the law of Moses were special Sabbath and also use a different Hebrew Word called meaning H7677 שׁבּתון shabbâthôn shab-baw-thone' From H7676; a sabbatism or special holiday: - rest, sabbath. These unlike God's 4th Commandment sabbath can fall on any day of the week and is only used in the annual Jewish festivals of Feasts of Trumpets (Lev 23:24) or Day of Atonement (Lev 23:32 or Feast of Booths (Lev 23:39). These feasts are NOT fulfilled and Shadows of things to come Col 2 v17 (e.g. 2nd coming, close of probation and judgement and God's people saved from their temporary dwelling on earth to the earth made new) NOTE: Col v17, Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. It is NOT fulfilled and has NOT finished and IS to COME. These are temporary Shadow Sabbaths showing God's plan of salvation.

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Brother you are mixing up your SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT with God's ETERNAL MORAL LAWS (the 10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4.

If you would like to take a look at a very detailed view of COLOSSIANS 2 that linked the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures Paul is referring to in the NEW TESTAMENT and need more scriptures you can go to this thread where there is a 7 part scripture study on page one that linked PAULS OLD TESTAMENT scriptures with the NEW here click me linked.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

Hope this helps.

Kermos · Mar 7, 2019

John 5:5-9 shows Jesus commanding a man to clean up/work (verse 8) on the Sabbath (verse 9).
5 A man was there who had been ill for thirty-eight years.
6 When Jesus saw him lying [there], and knew that he had already been a long time [in that condition], He said to him, "Do you wish to get well?"
7 The sick man answered Him, "Sir, I have no man to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up, but while I am coming, another steps down before me."
8 Jesus said to him, "Get up, pick up your pallet and walk."
9 Immediately the man became well, and picked up his pallet and [began] to walk. Now it was the Sabbath on that day.

John 9:1-14 shows Jesus commanding a man blind from birth wash/work (verse 7) on the Sabbath (verse 14).
1 As He passed by, He saw a man blind from birth.
2 And His disciples asked Him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?"
3 Jesus answered, "[It was] neither [that] this man sinned, nor his parents; but [it was] so that the works of God might be displayed in him.
4 "We must work the works of Him who sent Me as long as it is day; night is coming when no one can work.
5 "While I am in the world, I am the Light of the world."
6 When He had said this, He spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and applied the clay to his eyes,
7 and said to him, "Go, wash in the pool of Siloam " (which is translated, Sent). So he went away and washed, and came [back] seeing.
8 Therefore the neighbors, and those who previously saw him as a beggar, were saying, "Is not this the one who used to sit and beg?"
9 Others were saying, "This is he," [still] others were saying, "No, but he is like him." He kept saying, "I am the one."
10 So they were saying to him, "How then were your eyes opened?"
11 He answered, "The man who is called Jesus made clay, and anointed my eyes, and said to me, 'Go to Siloam and wash'; so I went away and washed, and I received sight."
12 They said to him, "Where is He?" He said, "I do not know."
13 They brought to the Pharisees the man who was formerly blind.
14 Now it was a Sabbath on the day when Jesus made the clay and opened his eyes.

Matthew 12:1-8 shows Jesus declaring that it is OK to prepare food by picking it/work and to eat (verses 1, 3-8) on the Sabbath (verse 1 and 2). BEHOLD, in verse 8 that Jesus said "For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath"; therefore, what Jesus says about the Sabbath is Law.
1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath, and His disciples became hungry and began to pick the heads [of grain] and eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw [this], they said to Him, "Look, Your disciples do what is not lawful to do on a Sabbath."
3 But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions,
4 how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone?
5 "Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?
6 "But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here.
7 "But if you had known what this means, 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE,' you would not have condemned the innocent.
8 "For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

THUS THE LORD JESUS DECLARED THAT WORKING (prepare food and eat, wash, clean up) ON THE SABBATH RECORDED IN THE LAW WHICH IS IN THE OLD COVENANT IS APPROVED BY THE LORD OF THE SABBATH.

Behold, the Lord Jesus made clear that He is the our beleivers rest (sabbath) since He gives rest according to His words here: "Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest" (Matthew 11:28). The King of Glory gives rest continually!

Old Covenant keepers try to keep the Sabbath as the 7th day sabbath as recorded in the Old Covenant thus they fail to honor the Word of God also know as the Lord Jesus Christ. The above passages demonstrate that Old Covenant keepers are not following the Lord Jesus Christ, even further so when including God's Word from the "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" (in this thread) showing God's Word explaining believers covered by the Blood of Jesus of the New Covenant are not bound to the Old Covenant which includes the 10 commandments for the Lord Jesus said that He satisfies the Law which includes the 10 commandments. The Lord Jesus satisfies the Law which includes the 10 commandments (Matthew 5:17); furthermore, the Lord Jesus established "the New Covenant" (Luke 22:20) and that when He said, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete (Hebrews 8:13).

The Truth is that we children of God honor the teachings and words of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Kermos · Mar 7, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
There was much treasures in the Temple of the Lord when ISRAEL had been invaded by other nations because of their unfaithfulness to God (breaking his commandments).
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Your just repeating yourself brother while ignoring the posts and the scriptures in them that disagree with you. As shown earlier through the scriptures, it is your understanding of what you think the OLD COVENANT was. You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT

Again, you mix up the shadow with the substance, for it is written:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

"For the Law, since it has [only] a shadow of the good things to come [and] not the very form of things" (Hebrews 10:1)

Behold, Jesus satisfies the Law including the 4th commandment (Matthew 5:17), and even the Law is a shadow (Hebrews 10:1); therefore, you mix up the shadow with the substance. You try to impose your words on God's Word, but your words are not in accord with God's Word.

"When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." (Hebrews 8:13)

"And in the same way [He took] the cup after they had eaten, saying, 'This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.'" (Luke 22:20)

The Old Covenant is obsolete which includes the 4th commandment because Jesus said "the New Covenant".

Now, to your first point, Dale gave you scripture that states "treasures" not "treasury". The "The Ark in the Old Covenant and the New Covenant Post" (in this thread) clearly shows that the Ark of the Covenant with it's contents are part of the Old Covenant which is obsolete, and that Spirit-filled believers inherit the righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ for His Blood of the New Covenant covers us believers thus we believers love that which Jesus loves and we believers hate that which Jesus hates, and we believers are moved to action by the Holy Spirit and therein is Godly fruit.

Kermos · Mar 7, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Not at all. You have only been provided God's WORD. God's WORD is not my words and it is the WORD of God that says anyone claiming to be from God and having God's Spirit while breaking any one of God's 10 Commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them.
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Again, I perceive that you are either claiming that I am not saved, was never saved, as well as a liar. There are a whole lot of your words in your post, and your words are not in agreement with God's Word. In your post, the 1 John 3:6 quotation contains extra words for here is what you wrote "Whosoever abides in him SINS NOT [does not break God's 10 Commandments]: whosoever SINS [breaks God's 10 Commandments] hath not seen him, neither known him" but the NASB states "No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him". Either your bible is corrupt or you added words to that quote. The words in 1 John 3:6 that you supply are not in accord with the Greek manuscripts.

Well, here's God's Word in the "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" (in this thread) clearly showing God's Word explaining believers covered by the Blood of Jesus of the New Covenant are not bound to the Old Covenant which includes the 10 commandments for the Lord Jesus said that He satisfies the Law which includes the 10 commandments. The Lord Jesus satisfies the Law which includes the 10 commandments (Matthew 5:17); furthermore, the Lord Jesus established "the New Covenant" (Luke 22:20) and that when He said, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete (Hebrews 8:13).

Some of the commandments of God (referred to in 1 John 2:3-4 and 1 John 3:3-15 and please see this post which discredits your interpretation of scripture that includes a line by line comparison of your bible versus the NASB of 1 John 3:3-10 ) are listed in "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" (in this thread). It is Jesus' words that matter for He said "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments" (John 14:15) as well as "the New Covenant" (Luke 22:20).

I am eternally grateful for the grace given to me by the Lord Jesus Christ, and the gift of the Spirit of God indwells me. I tell the truth because of the Spirit of God in me.

I am not sorry that Jesus does not teach lawlessness as a means for eternal life, for God incarnate is recorded as saying (Matthew 7:21-27):

21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven [will enter].
22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
25 "And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and [yet] it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.
26 "Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
27 "The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell ? and great was its fall."

There it is, lawlessness is not acting on the words of the Lord Jesus Christ. And here are Jesus' words and actions about the 7th day sabbath which is part of the 10 commandments in The Lord Jesus Commands and Defends Work by People on the Old Covenant Sabbath Post which is quite clear that we believers in the New Covenant are not bound to keep the 7th day sabbath as recorded in the Old Covenant. We believers in the New Covenant have our rest in the Lord Jesus Christ. Praise Jesus!

LoveGodsWord · Mar 7, 2019

Kermos said:
Again, I perceive that you are either claiming that I am not saved, was never saved, as well as a liar.

Not at all brother, only showing the scriptures that show God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the knowledge of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 show those who are following God and those who are not *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10. Linking to these scriptures it is JESUS that says elsewhere;

MATTHEW 7:16-23
[16], You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[17], Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit.
[18], A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[19], Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[20], Why by their fruits you shall know them.
[21], Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22], Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
[23], And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8.

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness in both the OLD and NEW COVENANTS.

Dale · Mar 7, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello brother what tirade are you talking about? You made the following claims;

1. The Ark of the covenant was captured by invading armies and destroyed
2. Israel built another ARK after the ARK was destroyed
3. The Ark of the the covenant was destroyed the second time by the Romans in 70 AD.

In response to your claims above you were simply asked;

1. Where does it say in God's WORD that the ARK of the covenant was captured by invading armies and destroyed?

2. Where is the scripture that says that ISRAEL built another ARK?

3. Where does it say in God's WORD that the ARK of the COVENANT was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD?

If you do not have any scriptures for the claims you are making why pretend that you do? Now, what tirade do you claim I am making when I have only asked you for the scriptures for all the claims you have made.

Now brother as posted above where are the scriptures to support your claims that;

1. The Ark of the covenant was captured by invading armies and destroyed
2. Israel built another ARK after the ARK was destroyed
3. The Ark of the the covenant was destroyed the second time by the Romans in 70 AD.

If you have no scripture why pretend that you do?

Only God's WORD is true brother and you have not provided any for your claims that the Ark of God was captured and destroyed and rebuilt by Israel and destroyed a second time. As asked of you earlier, you do not have any scriptures for your claims now do you.

Hope this helps.

This doesn't deserve a reply but I'll try another Scripture. Besides the ones I've already quoted.

15 Then I will give you shepherds after my own heart, who will lead you with knowledge and understanding. 16 In those days, when your numbers have increased greatly in the land,” declares the Lord, “people will no longer say, ‘The ark of the covenant of the Lord.’ It will never enter their minds or be remembered; it will not be missed, nor will another one be made.
--Jeremiah 3:15-16 NIV

Jeremiah prophecies that the Ark will "not be missed," it will be forgotten.

This is very different from the SDA belief that Jesus has an Ark with Tablets of the Law with Him in a heavenly Tabernacle.

JLB777 · Mar 7, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Not at all, You have been provided God's WORD showing the CONTEXT you leave out of your interpreation of the scriptures on more then one occasion. These are God's WORD not my words. In response you choose to ignore all the posts and scriptures in them only sent in love and as a help for you showing your errors of interpretation of the scriptures. Your response is to part quote my posts (snips) and provide your own words over God's WORD. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear. You are free to BELIEVE and do as you wish we all stand before God come judment day. I do not judge you because I am a sinner but the WORD of GOD that we reject or accept will be our judge on this day *JOHN 12:47-48. Sadly at this time for many it will be too late when they had the Word of God and chose to turn away from it *MATTHEW 7:22-23.

Rubbish, your only repeating yourself brother without addressing any of the posts and scriptures provided and sent in love as a help to you. Grammer does not overwite CONTEXT. If you wish to leave out the CONTEXT of EXODUS 20:3-6 that determines the CONTEXT of EXODUS 20:4 it is up to you.

As posted earlier the CONTEXT you leave out of EXODUS 20:4 has lead you to errors in your interpretation of the scriptures. When CONTEXT is added back into EXODUS 20:4 and read with EXODUS 20:3-6 the interpretation of the scriptures are read in reference to making idols and serving other Gods as shown below.

EXODUS 20:3-6
[3], You shall have no other gods before me.
[4], You shall not make to you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
[5], You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[6], And showing mercy to thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

When you add the context back in to EXODUS 20:4 with EXODUS 20:3-6 it does not say what you are claiming brother.

Now by all means brother, God's 1st and 2nd Commandments *EXODUS 20:3-6 are two of God's 10 commandments that in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 commandments just like God's 4th commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11.

If you believe that for example you should not have any photos of anything or painting etc for the sake of not having them then by all means please go ahead and live by what you believe God's WORD is saying to you because it is written...

JAMES 4:17 [17], Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

Now do you have any photos, paintings, replicas of anything in the heavens or under from the earth in your home and if you have does that mean you are sinning against God?

As shown earlier, through the scriptures it is your understanding of what you think the OLD COVENANT was. You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to? This has already been addressed with the scriptures most recetnly and elswhere in post # 1611 linked. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear.

No one has God's SPIRIT while KNOWINGLY rejecting his WORD and living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN neither do they know God and need to be Born Again to LOVE * 1 JOHN 3:3-10; HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD? No one is a BELIEVER of God's WORD while KNOWINGLY breaking any one of God's 10 commandments.

1 JOHN 2:3-4
[3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .
[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

Of course it doesn’t teach lawlessness.

However There are no scriptures from Jesus or His Apostles that instructs the Church as to how to specifically observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.

So you believe it’s a sin to gather together to worship Jesus on an another day, other than Saturday?

JLB

LoveGodsWord · Mar 7, 2019

Dale said:
This doesn't deserve a reply but I'll try another Scripture. Besides the ones I've already quoted.

15 Then I will give you shepherds after my own heart, who will lead you with knowledge and understanding. 16 In those days, when your numbers have increased greatly in the land,” declares the Lord, “people will no longer say, ‘The ark of the covenant of the Lord.’ It will never enter their minds or be remembered; it will not be missed, nor will another one be made.
--Jeremiah 3:15-16 NIV

Jeremiah prophecies that the Ark will "not be missed," it will be forgotten.

This is very different from the SDA belief that Jesus has an Ark with Tablets of the Law with Him in a heavenly Tabernacle.

Who is telling you to remember the ARK of the COVENANT? You were only asked questions in relation to your claims and to provide scripture for your claims that;

1. The Ark of the covenant was captured by invading armies and destroyed
2. Israel built another ARK after the ARK was destroyed
3. The Ark of the the covenant was destroyed the second time by the Romans in 70 AD.

In response to your claims above you were simply asked;

1. Where does it say in God's WORD that the ARK of the covenant was captured by invading armies and destroyed?

2. Where is the scripture that says that ISRAEL built another ARK?

3. Where does it say in God's WORD that the ARK of the COVENANT was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD?

If you do not have any scriptures for the claims you are making why pretend that you do? Now, what tirade do you claim I am making when I have only asked you for the scriptures for all the claims you have made.

Now brother as posted above where are the scriptures to support your claims that;

1. The Ark of the covenant was captured by invading armies and destroyed
2. Israel built another ARK after the ARK was destroyed
3. The Ark of the the covenant was destroyed the second time by the Romans in 70 AD.

If you have no scripture why pretend that you do?

.........

You do know brother that it is God's WORD that says that the earthly Sanctuary and it's contents was a pattern or copy of what was in Heaven right?

EXODUS 25:8-22 [8], And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
[9], According to all that I show you, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall you make it. [10], And they shall make an ark .... (see also; EXODUS 25:40; NUMBERS 8:1-4 etc)

HEBREWS 8:1-5 [1], Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; [2], A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. [3], For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: why it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. [4], For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: [5], Who serve to the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, said he, that you make all things according to the pattern showed to you in the mount.

HEBREWS 9:11-12 [11], But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; [12], Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

HEBREWS 9:23-24 [23], It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.[24], For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

wait for it ...

REVELATIONS 11:19 [19], AND THE TEMPLE OF GOD WAS OPENED IN HEAVEN AND THERE WAS SEEN THE ARK OF THE COVENANT AND HIS TESTAMENT: and there were lightning, and voices, and thunder, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Only God's WORD is true brother and you have not provided any for your claims that the Ark of God was captured and destroyed and rebuilt by Israel and destroyed a second time. As asked of you earlier, you do not have any scriptures for your claims now do you.

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Mar 7, 2019

JLB777 said:
Of course it doesn’t teach lawlessness.
However There are no scriptures from Jesus or His Apostles that instructs the Church as to how to specifically observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.
So you believe it’s a sin to gather together to worship Jesus on an another day, other than Saturday? JLB

We should worship God everyday that has never been the issue. SIN is the issue that we are talking about in this thread. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Did you wish to answer any of the questions here in the OP?

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

JLB777 · Mar 7, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
We should worship God everyday that has never been the issue. SIN is the issue that we are talking about in this thread. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Did you wish to answer any of the questions here in the OP?

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

Great.

So it doesn’t really matter if we go to Church on Sunday or Saturday.

Great. So that clears that up.

Is there anything else we need to do on the Sabbath, like abstain from work or not cook or not travel?

Maybe you could share how you observe the Sabbath?

JLB

LoveGodsWord · Mar 7, 2019

JLB777 said:
Great.
So it doesn’t really matter if we go to Church on Sunday or Saturday. Great. So that clears that up. Is there anything else we need to do on the Sabbath, like abstain from work or not cook or not travel? Maybe you could share how you observe the Sabbath? JLB

As posted earlier we should worship God everyday that has never been the issue. SIN is the issue which God's WORD defines as breaking any one of God's 10 commandments *JAMES 2:10-11 that we are talking about in this thread.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Did you wish to answer any of the questions here in the OP?

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

JLB777 · Mar 7, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
As posted earlier we should worship God everyday that has never been the issue. SIN is the issue that we are talking about in this thread.

What is the sin you are referring to?

Is going to Church on Sunday rather than Saturday a sin?

JLB

LoveGodsWord · Mar 8, 2019

JLB777 said:
What is the sin you are referring to?
Is going to Church on Sunday rather than Saturday a sin? JLB

As posted earlier it is not about what day you worship God on, we should worship God everyday. The issue is over sin which God's WORD says is breaking any one of God's 10 commandments *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Did you wish to answer any of the questions here in the OP?

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

LoveGodsWord · Mar 8, 2019

Kermos said:
There it is, lawlessness is not acting on the words of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I suggest you go back and re-read the scriptures brother. This is what I have been sharing with you.

MATTHEW 7:22-23 [22], Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? [23], And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work INIQUITY. (KJV)

This GREEK word INIQUITY is also translated as LAWLESSNESS in some other bible versions
The GREEK word used here is ἀνομία; anomia (G458) From G459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness: - iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

So the GREEK word used here ἀνομία; anomia for the english words of INIQUITY or LAWLESSNESS means to be without LAW breaking God's LAW or SIN.

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness which means to be without law and breaking God's Commandments (SIN) *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

God's Sheep hear His Voice (the Word of God)

LoveGodsWord · Mar 8, 2019

Kermos said:
Well, here's God's Word in the "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" (in this thread) clearly showing God's Word explaining believers covered by the Blood of Jesus of the New Covenant are not bound to the Old Covenant which includes the 10 commandments for the Lord Jesus said that He satisfies the Law which includes the 10 commandments. The Lord Jesus satisfies the Law which includes the 10 commandments (Matthew 5:17); furthermore, the Lord Jesus established "the New Covenant" (Luke 22:20) and that when He said, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete (Hebrews 8:13).

Believers are indeed covered by the BLOOD of JESUS in the NEW COVENANT. This is the fulfillment of the SHADOW laws of SIN offerings and animal sacrifices in the OLD COVEANANT. As shown through the scriptures only sent in love as a help to you brother, you mix up your SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT for remission of sins in the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS in the OLD and NEW COVENANTS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT points to? This has already been addressed with the scriptures most recently and elswhere in post # 1611 linked. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear.

JESUS did not satisfy the law so that we are now free to break it. JESUS satisfied the law and the prophets because the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 pointed to JESUS in the NEW COVENANT and JESUS who is our example OBEYED from the HEART through LOVE God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in order to be our prefect sacfice to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD so that we through faith alone might have FORGIVENESS of our SINS so that we through FAITH in God's WORD that works by God's LOVE in is can be free to follow him who calls us in LOVE to love another.

Sorry brother God's Word does not teach lawlessness. The GOOD NEWS of the GOSPEL of JESUS CHRIST is that we have a Savior to save us from our sins not to continue in them.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there.

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God)

JLB777 · Mar 8, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
As posted earlier it is not about what day you worship God on, we should worship God everyday. The issue is over sin which God's WORD says is breaking any one of God's 10 commandments *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Did you wish to answer any of the questions here in the OP?

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

What specifically constitutes a sin concerning the Sabbath?

I think there are many that would like to know.

If you don’t believe it’s a sin to go to Church on Sunday, rather than Saturday then please share with us, what does specifically cause a person to sin concerning the Sabbath?

Is it a sin to travel or work, or cook on the Sabbath?

Please share with us how you observe the Sabbath.

JLB

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