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The fact is, the scriptures is not silent about day(s) to honor God.

Rom 14:4 - Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Rom 14:5 - One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Rom 14:6 - He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Rom 14:7 - For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

Rom 14:8 - For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

Rom 14:9 - For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Rom 14:10 - But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Rom 14:11 - For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Rom 14:12 - So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Rom 14:13 - Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

As posted earlier your trying to read into the scriptures something that they are not saying. Please feel free to respond to this post and the scripture provided here that disagree with you.

God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is one of the 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is in both of the OLD AND NEW COVENANTS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

Now it is clear through the scriptures all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8

If PAUL was talking about the SABBATH in ROMANS 14 why is it never once mentioned in the Chapter and all the book of ROMANS?

You think if the wages of SIN (breaking any of God's Commandments) is death Paul would be pretty specific about what he was talking about don't you? Why did PAUL continue keeping the SABBATH with both JEWS and GENTILE BELIEVERS (ACT 13:14-15; 42-44; ACT 16:13; ACT 17:1-2; ACT 18:4-5?

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ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, and judging others not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

SOME POINTS TO CONSIDER IN ROMANS 14:1-23

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

ROMANS 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
ROMANS 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
ROMANS 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

ROMANS 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

CONCLUSION: Nothing about God's 4th commandment in there at all. The scriptures are talking about food connected to days (eating and not eating (fasting) on days men esteem over other days. Not what days God esteems and judging others.

The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment or any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about. If you disagree please provide the scripture that says ROMANS 14 is talking about God's 4th commandment Sabbath. If you cannot why pertend that it is? Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 2:3 and you have provided nothing that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Hope this helps.
 
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As posted earlier your trying to read into the scriptures something that they are not saying. Please feel free to respond to this post and the scripture provided here that disagree with you.
Do you treat all days alike?
 
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As posted earlier your trying to read into the scriptures something that they are not saying. Please feel free to respond to this post and the scripture provided here that disagree with you.

God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is one of the 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is in both of the OLD AND NEW COVENANTS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

Now it is clear through the scriptures all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8

If PAUL was talking about the SABBATH in ROMANS 14 why is it never once mentioned in the Chapter and all the book of ROMANS?

You think if the wages of SIN (breaking any of God's Commandments) is death Paul would be pretty specific about what he was talking about don't you? Why did PAUL continue keeping the SABBATH with both JEWS and GENTILE BELIEVERS (ACT 13:14-15; 42-44; ACT 16:13; ACT 17:1-2; ACT 18:4-5?

...........

ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, and judging others not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

SOME POINTS TO CONSIDER IN ROMANS 14:1-23

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

ROMANS 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
ROMANS 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
ROMANS 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

ROMANS 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

CONCLUSION: Nothing about God's 4th commandment in there at all. The scriptures are talking about food connected to days (eating and not eating (fasting) on days men esteem over other days. Not what days God esteems and judging others.

The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment or any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about. If you disagree please provide the scripture that says ROMANS 14 is talking about God's 4th commandment Sabbath. If you cannot why pertend that it is? Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 2:3 and you have provided nothing that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Hope this helps.
This response to the OP appears arrogant and disrespectful. I post 1 simple question and you post 30+ scriptures that I should first respond too. too? Take your agenda to another thread.
 
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This response to the OP appears arrogant and disrespectful. I post 1 simple question and you post 30+ scriptures that I should first respond too. too? Take your agenda to another thread.
Preferably the sda forum.
 
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The fact is, the scriptures is not silent about day(s) to honor God.

Rom 14:4 - Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Rom 14:5 - One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Rom 14:6 - He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Rom 14:7 - For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

Rom 14:8 - For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

Rom 14:9 - For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Rom 14:10 - But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Rom 14:11 - For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Rom 14:12 - So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

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Rom 14:13 - Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

The topic of Romans 14 is stated in the first verse, namely that it is in regard to how to handle disputable matters of opinion, not in regard to whether followers of God should follow God, so nothing in this chapter should be interpreted as speaking against following God.

In Romans 14:5-6, it is speaking about those who eat or refrain from eating unto the Lord, so it is speaking about fasting. God gave no command to fast twice a week, but that had become a common practice in the 1st century (Luke 18:12), so whether to fast twice a week was a disputable matter of opinion. Those who esteemed certain days for fasting were passing judgement on those who did not, and it was exactly this sort of judging each other over opinions that Paul was seeking to quell in this chapter. He was not suggesting that we are free to commit murder, theft, idolatry, adultery, or disobey any of God's other commands as long we are convinced in our own minds that it is ok to do, but rather that was only in regard to things that are disputable matters of opinion.

The reason why we are to keep the Sabbath is not because man esteemed it as a disputable matter of opinion, but because God blessed it, made it holy, commanded His followers to keep it, and because what is holy to God should not be profaned by man. The Sabbath isn't even mentioned in Romans 14 primarily because it had nothing to do with the topic that Paul was speaking about.
 
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Nothing is wrong with worshiping on Sunday, or Saturday or any other day. The Bible did not reference a calendar and say which day of the week to rest and make holy, just that we MAKE one.

The calendar is a human construct, not God's. We could have just as easily invented the modern calendar three days later, in which case Wednesday would be the Sabbath.

The Israelites had daily prayers and offerings, so I agree that there is nothing wrong with worshiping God on every day, but that didn't stop them from also obeying God's command to keep the Sabbath holy. In Mark 7:6-13, Jesus criticized the Pharisees as being hypocrites for setting aside the commands of God in order to establish their own traditions, so the problem is not with someone having a tradition of worshiping on Sunday, but with hypocritically setting aside God's command to keep the Sabbath holy in order to establish keeping their tradition of worshiping on Sunday.

The Israelites received a double portion of mana for the 7th day for 40 years in the wilderness, so they knew which day God rested, they have been keeping it ever since, and that day corresponds to the day that is commonly referred to as "Saturday". The various calendar system arrange the months differently, but every 7th day is every 7th day regardless of which calendar system is used. I see nothing in the Bible that indicates that God permitted people to just pick whatever day we want, but rather there is a strong emphasis on unity.
 
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The Sabbath was created for man. So what does man need? Rest, relationship with God. He gave us a day a week to rest. We need time to be in communion with God, and it's best that that be with other believers as well; and maybe our families. And God normally wants that day of rest to be the same day that we set aside for God, but sometimes such as for preachers, that is just not practical. Sorry, but preachers work the Sabbath, and rest another day.

These people who just insist that it has to be a certain day for everybody are intentionally missing the point: that it's about keeping the relationship alive. Some married couples have date night on Friday night; others have it Saturday night; others don't have one. It's that latter that you don't want to be.

Indeed, the Sabbath was created for man, so it is a precious gift from God for our own good and not for our determent, so it is never intended to prevent someone from receiving healing that they need. In Matthew 12:4-5, priests were held innocent for performing their duties on the Sabbath, so again the Sabbath was never intended to prevent them from doing that or to prevent a pastor from preaching. If God had wanted His people to pick one day a week to rest, then He could have commanded that, but He did not, rather He command us to set aside the 7th day. While it is true that the Sabbath is about keeping our relationship alive, it is also true that it is about unity as a community, and everyone picking their own day to set aside would only bread disunity.
 
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I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth. - Psalms 34:1

There is nothing about blessing the Lord at all times that means that we shouldn't also keep the Sabbath holy and vice versa.
 
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The bottom line is, if you get all hyper-legalistic about what constitutes the "7th day" then you have missed the point. The community observes Sabbath on the 7th day, which is Sunday. But whatever, do what you will. You can be sure I will.

Colossians 2:16
Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
 
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The bottom line is, if you get all hyper-legalistic about what constitutes the "7th day" then you have missed the point. The community observes Sabbath on the 7th day, which is Sunday. But whatever, do what you will. You can be sure I will.

Colossians 2:16
Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

The bottom line is that in the NEW COVENANT it is God's 10 commandments that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT if we KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do many follow it?

Something to think about

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The bottom line is, if you get all hyper-legalistic about what constitutes the "7th day" then you have missed the point. The community observes Sabbath on the 7th day, which is Sunday. But whatever, do what you will. You can be sure I will.

Colossians 2:16
Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
Oh! To read on a little more! And in the KJV!

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? - Colossians 2
 
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COL 2:11-17 CHAPTER CONTEXT
[11], In whom also you are CIRCUMCISION with the CIRCUMCISION made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
[12], Buried with him in baptism, in which also you are risen with him through the faith of the working of God, who has raised him from the dead.
[13], And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, has he made alive together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
[14], BLOTTING OUT the HANDWRITING of ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
[15], And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[16], Let no man therefore judge you in FOOD AND DRINK, or in respect of a HOLY DAY [FESTIVAL], or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAYS:
[17], Which are a SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME; but the body is of Christ.

CHAPTER CONTEXT OF COL 2:14 AND SUBJECT MATTER (COL 2:11-17)

V11. Shadows of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing to CIRCUMCISION of the HEART MADE WITHOUT HANDS by the CIRCUMCISION of Christ.

THE SHADOW LAWS FORETOLD IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES….

DEUTERONOMY 10:16 [16] CIRCUMCISE THERFORE THE FORESKIN OF YOUR HEART, and be no more stiff-necked.

DEUTERONOMY 30:6 [6] And the LORD your God will CIRCUMCISE YOUR HEART AND THE HEART OF YOUR DECENDENCE, TO LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITHYOU’RE YOUR SOUL, THAT YOU MAY LIVE.

JEREMIAH 4:4 [4] CIRCUMCISE YOURSELF TO THE LORD, AND TAKE AWAY THE FORESKINS OF YOUR HEART, you men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

NOTE: NEW COVENANT FULFILLMENT of the SHADOWS of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing the CIRCUMCISION of the HEART through faith in Christ…

ROMANS 2:25-29 [25] For circumcision verily profits, if you keep the law: but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision. [26], Therefore if the uncircumcision keeps the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? [27], And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfils the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law? [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW, WHO IS ONE; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OF THE OUTWARD FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE LETTER; WHOSE PRAISE IS NOT OF MEN BUT OF GOD.

1 CORINTHIANS 7:19 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

This is the operation of GOD in the NEW COVENANT…

HEBREWS 8:10 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS [NOTE: THE SHADOW OF CIRCUMCSION]: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

CONCLUSION; The CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION is a Shadow law from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT pointing to a NEW HEART to LOVE and OBEY GOD in the NEW COVENANT. The SHADOW laws of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION from the Mosaic BOOK of the Covenant are the within CHAPTER CONTEXT BEFORE COL 2:14

Let's continue on through the chapter...

COL 2:14 SCRIPTURE SUBJECT MATTER AND CONTENT.

14, Blotting out the HANDWRITING of ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

GREEK WORD MEANINGS AND WORD USE

14, “BLOTTING OUT” < G1813 ἐξαλείφω exaleipho (ex-a-lei'-fō) v. means to rub out, i.e. obliterate, erase> the “HANDWRITING” < G5498 χειρόγραφον cheirographon (chei-ro'-gra-fon) n. means something hand-written (“chirograph”), a manuscript specially, a legal document > of “ORDINANCES” < G1378 δόγμα dogma (d̮og'-ma) n. means ordinance; CIVIL, CEREMONIAL or ECCLESIASTICAL LAWS> that was against us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The GREEK WORD meanings here in this scripture show that it follows the same CONTEXT of v11-13 in relation to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7.

V14
Blotting out or erasing the legal MANUSCRIPT or document of ORDINANCES referred to here are those of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

The GREEK word for ORDIANACE is DOGMA meaning THE CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL ORDINANCES once again only found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant *EXODUS 24:7

This scripture cannot be referring to the abolishing of the 10 commandments of God’s LAW as God’s 10 Commandments are not ORDINANCES and they are not written in a MANUSCRIPT they are written on two tables of stone (Exodus 31:18). Also the chapter CONTEXT is in reference to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION once again from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT. These were all SHADOWS ALONG WITH THE ORDINANCES OF v17 pointing to Christ and the plan of SALVATION.

ORDINANCES that were against us is referring to the also referring to the PENALTY of SIN (breaking God’s Commandments which is death) and the ORDINANCES of curses written once again in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant.

What is the penalty for sin that was against us in the OLD and NEW COVENANT?

ECCLESIASTES 18:20 20, The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.

ROMANS 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] Take this Book of the Law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

DEUTERONOMY 30:19 [19] For GOD has said, I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, BLESSINGS AND CURSES: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: [20] That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest OBEY his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD swore unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

The death penalty is against us. So were all the ceremonial laws from the OLD COVENANT that were required to seek God's forgiveness *LEVITICUS 16. In the NEW COVENANT we are forgiven by FAITH through confession and repentance for our sins *1 JOHN 1:9; MATTHEW 3:2 . No more animal sacrifices required.

(See the list of ORDINACES for curses of breaking Gods’ Law in DEUTERONOMY 28:15-68)

CONCLUSION; COL 2:14 is talking about the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES written in the MOSIAC BOOK of the Covenant which are SHADOW laws pointing to Jesus and God’s plan of SALVATION. This is supported also by the within CHAPTER CONTEXT and SUBJECT matter of v16 which are all CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES written in the MOCAIC BOOK of the COVENANT and not referring to ABOLISHING God’s 10 Commandments.

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The OLD TESTAMENT is written in HEBREW and translated into the GREEK. The HEBREW WORD for SABBATH is SABBATH SHABBATH שׁבּת (H7676) Intensive from H7673; intermission, that is, (specifically) the Sabbath: - (+ every) sabbath.

The GREEK translation of the HEBREW word SABBATH SHABBATH שׁבּת is σάββατον; SABBATON; sab'-bat-on Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

NOTE: The application of SABBATON from the GREEk translation of SHABBATH has a wider application than merely GOD'S 4th Commandment or SEVENTH DAY. It also includes ANY DAY OF WEEKLY REPOSE FROM SECULAR WORK. The use of the word SABBATON is not retricted only to the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH of God's 4th Commandment. It can also mean the intervals between the SABBATH depending on the context it is applied in also ANY DAY of the week NO WORK is done. Therefore as the GREEK word has many meanings and applications the CONTEXT of how the GREEK word is used determines the correct definition.

This means ALL the annual feast days that were not the SEVENTH DAY but where no work was to be done are also translated as SABBATON.

These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbaths (plural) were connected to..

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

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The within scripture and chapter CONTEXT is where we then must determine the correct application and meaning of COLOSSIANS 2:16-17 which is in reference to the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures.

WHAT IS PAUL TALKING ABOUT IN COL 2:16-17? (linking the OLD to the NEW)

COLOSSIANS 2:16 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY [FEASTIVALS], or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAYS <plural>:

PAUL'S within scriptures CONTEXT and use of COLOSSIANS 2:16-17 is in reference to the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures.

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

NUMBERS 28 [9] And on the Sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a MEAT OFFERING, mingled with oil, and the DRINK OFFERING thereof: [10] This is the burnt offering of EVERY SABBATH, beside the continual BURN'T OFFERING, and his DRINK OFFERING.

ISAIAH 1:10-14 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your NEW MOONS and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

LEVITICUS 23:4 [4] These are THE FEASTS OF THE LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. [5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is THE LORD'S PASSOVER. [6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread…… [13] And the MEAT OFFERING thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the Lord for a sweet savour: and the DRINK OFFERING thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.

HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will also cause all her mirth to CEASE, HER [ISRAEL'S] FEAST DAYS, her NEW MOONS, and HER SABBATHS, and all HER [ISRAELS] SOLEMN FEASTS.

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HEBREWS 9:1-12 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

HEBREWS 10:1-9
[1], FOR THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS TO COME, AND NOT THE VERY IMAGE OF THE THINGS, CAN NEVER WITH THOSE SACRIFICES which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2], For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[3], But in those SACRIFICES there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
[4], For it is not possible that THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS should take away sins.
[5], Why when he comes into the world, he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS YOU WOULD NOT BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME:
[6], IN BURN'T OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAVE HAD NO PLEASURE.
[7], Then said I, See, I come in the VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.
[8], Above when he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU WOULD NOT, neither had pleasure therein; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW;
[9], Then said he, See, I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.

NOTE; the LAW in reference here is NOT God's 10 Commandments but the law of sin offereings from the SHADOW laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 from the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 (Please look at the attached scriptures)

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CONCLUSION: of COLOSSIANS 2:11-17 is NO MORE ORDINANCES WRITTEN IN THE BOOK of the OLD COVENANT Ceremonial/Levitical/Sacrificial laws and animal sacrifices and special ANNUAL SHADOW sabbaths of LEVITICUS 23 (not God's 4th commandment). COLOSSIANS 2:11-17 is not talking about God's 10 commandments of God's 4th commandment SEVENTH DAY WEEKLY SABBATH.

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The bottom line is that in the NEW COVENANT it is God's 10 commandments that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT if we KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.
The bottom line for Christians is we're not obligated to the law given to Israel in the desert.
 
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The bottom line for Christians is we're not obligated to the law given to Israel in the desert.
That is the same as saying Chrsitians are no obligated no to lie, steal, murder commit adultery. Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

Bottom line is that if you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-11. Gentiles are now grafted it *ROMANS 11:13-27

God's WORD disagrees with you.
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That is the same as saying Chrsitians are no obligated no to lie, steal, murder commit adultery. Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.
No it isn't because Christians follow Jesus Christ the Righteous and keep His commands and teaching. I submit this prime quote of Jesus -

LK 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

What I read from you is you desire people to lie to you; you want people to steal from you; you desire to be murdered and want other to have your wife. Truly sad if you ask me.

Here's another of my favorites -

JN 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

I suppose one can do what you suggest with either of these two passages in their heart. Furthermore I don't understand how being in alignment with either, one could be accused of the ill behavior you suggest. Maybe you can explain them away.
Bottom line is that if you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-11. Gentiles are now grafted it *ROMANS 11:13-27
I've no idea why you continue to try and get me to believe this. You clearly refuse to accept what is written and quoted to you. You continue to use a half quote of Jeremiah found in Heb 8. You use Heb 8 because the Jeremiah quote is in three sentences. The preceding two verses expose your twisting of 10-11.
 
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The bottom line is that in the NEW COVENANT it is God's 10 commandments that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT if we KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do many follow it?

Something to think about

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Your promoting lawlessness.

The entire law and the prophets define sin not just the ten commandments
The bottom line is that in the NEW COVENANT it is God's 10 commandments that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4.
In your church taking bribes, gluttony and drunkenness, e.t.c., are not sin because you define sin only through the ten commandments.

That is what you wrote above LGW. That is lawlessness, nothing more nothing less.
 
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That is the same as saying Chrsitians are no obligated no to lie, steal, murder commit adultery. Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

Bottom line is that if you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-11. Gentiles are now grafted it *ROMANS 11:13-27

God's WORD disagrees with you.
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Gentiles were commanded to not commit sexual immorality. This commandment (Acts 15) was a far more reaching commandment than not committing adultery.

By the way, gluttony, taking bribes, drunkenness, are all sin because the law and the prophets tell us so.

You are committing lawlessness by restricting the law to a few commandments.

I am not sure why you fail to see lawlessness for what it really is?

I think you have carved up the law into two categories, the ten commandments and the ceremonial law. Then you threw the ceremonial law in the dustbin, without even noticing that Paul actually said.

Romans 3:20
Because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

Paul did not say through only the ten commandments comes the knowledge of sin, Paul said through the law.

Your lawless interpretation of the scripture is astounding.

Where does the scripture say the ten commandments are moral?

Where does the scripture say that over six hundred laws are ceremonial?
 
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No it isn't because Christians follow Jesus Christ the Righteous and keep His commands and teaching. I submit this prime quote of Jesus -

LK 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

What I read from you is you desire people to lie to you; you want people to steal from you; you desire to be murdered and want other to have your wife. Truly sad if you ask me.

Here's another of my favorites -

JN 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

I suppose one can do what you suggest with either of these two passages in their heart. Furthermore I don't understand how being in alignment with either, one could be accused of the ill behavior you suggest. Maybe you can explain them away.I've no idea why you continue to try and get me to believe this. You clearly refuse to accept what is written and quoted to you. You continue to use a half quote of Jeremiah found in Heb 8. You use Heb 8 because the Jeremiah quote is in three sentences. The preceding two verses expose your twisting of 10-11.

Well that has no truth in it brother :). How can you have JESUS rightouesness while breaking the 10 commandments? That is the same as saying Chrsitians are not obligated not to lie, steal, murder commit adultery. Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

Bottom line is that if you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-11. Gentiles are now grafted it *ROMANS 11:13-27

God's WORD disagrees with you.
 
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Your promoting lawlessness.

Well that statement has no truth in it brother David . Lawlessness means without law. It is your and your friends that are trying to teach God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) are abolished not me. As shown through both the OLD AND NEW COVENANT scriptures God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?
The entire law and the prophets define sin not just the ten commandments In your church taking bribes, gluttony and drunkenness, e.t.c., are not sin because you define sin only through the ten commandments.
That is what you wrote above LGW. That is lawlessness, nothing more nothing less.
Please do not state things I have never David. That is the same as bearing false witness against your brother. Please post the link where I have ever posted or said that taking bribes, gluttony and drunkenness, e.t.c., are not sin? If you cannot then why pretend that I have? I will leave that between you and God to work through. If someone know to do good and does not do it to him it is sin * JAMES 4:17 this inclides EXODUS 20:16. Why make pretend arguments no one has ever said to you? Are you trying to argue now that God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) do not define what sin is when God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT says that sin is the transgression of God's LAW and references the 10 commandments *ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4? God's WORD defines what sin is and if you know to do good and do not do it then to you it is sin *JAMES 4:17; ROMANS 14:23; 1 JOHN 3:4.

Sorry friend God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.
 
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The bottom line for Christians is we're not obligated to the law given to Israel in the desert.
That is exactly what scriptures teach.
The book of Acts gives us the details of beginning of Christianity.
The Pharisees which accepted the Gospel, thought it was necessary to teach circumcision and the keeping of the law to Gentile Christians. Read it.
Act 15:5 - But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Act 15:24 - Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

The apostles in council claimed that they did not command anyone to teach keeping the law. We gave no such commandment.
 
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