Which day to worship God.

Kaon said:

Ok.



But where did the Most High God actually say this? Where does He actually intimate at there being two distinct laws for two distinct peoples? Where does He say that any of those Laws are inapplicable to people who He would call His people.

The Most High God is the authority on the Law.

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God said the day would come when there would be a new covenant.

Jer_31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people


Heb_7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the
law.
Eph_2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

mmksparbud said:

God said the day would come when there would be a new covenant.

Jer_31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people

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The Most High God did say this.

Heb_7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the
law.
Eph_2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

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Men said this.

I want to know where our Father in Heaven gave us permission to abolish/make void any of His Laws. Would you go on the strength of your brother alone if he says you can disobey a rule previously set up by your parents? At the very least, you should compare what your brother said to what your parents said, and discern a conclusion.

1) The brother is wrong
2) You are misunderstanding what your brother is saying, and he is actually saying the same thing as your parents
3) Your parents did, in fact say what you think your brother said.


Where did the Most High God, and/or Word of God Himself say that there are two sets of laws, and that we can make any of them null/void?

Kaon said:

The Most High God did say this.




Men said this.

I want to know where our Father in Heaven gave us permission to abolish/make void any of His Laws. Would you go on the strength of your brother alone if he says you can disobey a rule previously set up by your parents? At the very least, you should compare what your brother said to what your parents said, and discern a conclusion.

1) The brother is wrong
2) You are misunderstanding what your brother is saying, and he is actually saying the same thing as your parents
3) Your parents did, in fact say what you think your brother said.


Where did the Most High God, and/or Word of God Himself say that there are two sets of laws, and that we can make any of them null/void?

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You do not believe that the apostles had the inspiration of the Holy Spirit for what they said?? It would be an insult to Jesus to continue to offer animal sacrifices after His death and resurrection.

mmksparbud said:

You do not believe that the apostles had the inspiration of the Holy Spirit for what they said?? It would be an insult to Jesus to continue to offer animal sacrifices after His death and resurrection.

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I never said that. I do believe it, indeed.

But, we are called to test all spirits - even what the prophets and angels tell us. That means testing it against the Word of God Himself, and the Most High God.

If there is no place where the Most High God said that right now we have two different laws, or that any of His law is null and void - and another person says the opposite - then it is time to reassess one's understanding of what the person said.

Unless, there is actually a place where the Most High God, and/or the Word of God Himself said that any of the Law or commandments are null, void and/or no longer operable.

The Word of God Himself can tell us not to sacrifice anymore (it should be obvious why), and why we don't execute judgment first - He is the Arbiter of the Law. His word supersedes any other entity in the entirety of Creation, which is why I am asking for where He said what you are saying.

Too many denominations have been built on what men have said. What does the Most High God Himself actually say?

Kaon said:

I never said that. I do believe it, indeed.

But, we are called to test all spirits - even what the prophets and angels tell us. That means testing it against the Word of God Himself, and the Most High God.

If there is no place where the Most High God said that right now we have two different laws, or that any of His law is null and void - and another person says the opposite - then it is time to reassess one's understanding of what the person said.

Unless, there is actually a place where the Most High God, and/or the Word of God Himself said that any of the Law or commandments are null, void and/or no longer operable.

The Word of God Himself can tell us not to sacrifice anymore (it should be obvious why), and why we don't execute judgment first - He is the Arbiter of the Law. His word supersedes any other entity in the entirety of Creation, which is why I am asking for where He said what you are saying.

Too many denominations have been built on what men have said. What does the Most High God Himself actually say?

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The apostles have already been tested and the Holy Spirit fell on them. They are voicing the thoughts and words of God. If you do not believe that, then what is it you believe? We do test against the word of God, and that includes the NT. We test all new "spirits" and prophets against the bible. We take the bible as the word of God, if you do not, then you have only the OT and which is all that Jesus and the disciples had and all that the first Christians had. God already said He would have a new covenant. He is the fulfillment of the ceremonial laws. He is now our High Priest. If you wish to toss out what all the diciples said, then you will have to go back to offering animals sacrfices for your sins for you would then be denying thye work of Jesus Christ on the cross--you would be denying Christ Himself for every word of the NT is written by man. For that matter, the only thing written by God Himself are the 10 commandments---everything else is written by man under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. And there are no actual tables of stone that have been found that were written by God---technically, it is all the word of man.

mmksparbud said:

The apostles have already been tested and the Holy Spirit fell on them.

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The apostles tested the Holy Spirit for themselves. They are witness to the Holy Spirit.

Angels are witnesses of the Most High God.

You still need to test every single thing against the Word of God just like good little children [should] test everything they hear on the playground against their parent's instruction.

They are voicing the thoughts and words of God. If you do not believe that, then what is it you believe?

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I have told you several times what I believe: that only the Most High God, or the Word of God Himself is the authority on the Law. The Word of God Himself - the only begotten Son of the Most High God - humiliated Himself into the form of Son of Man as a Sacrifice of sacrifices for the people of the Most High God. He did this so that they will have a chance at life if they believe the aforementioned. It was a promise fulfilled by the God of God and King of Kings - a promise to His people.

There is no man, or god that I put before the Most High God.

We do test against the word of God, and that includes the NT. We test all new "spirits" and n prophets against the bible.

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You are supposed to test what you hear against the word of the Most High God. If He says something, and someone else comes along and says something else, your first action should be to see what the Most High God said.

The doctrine of legal nullity is damaging. Where did the Most High God ever say HIMSELF that we could disobey the laws He previously gave us?

We take the bible as the word of God, if you do not, then you have only the OT and which is all that Jesus and the disciples had and all that the first Christians had. God already said He would have a new covenant. He is the fulfillment of the ceremonial laws. He is now our High Priest. If you wish to toss out what all the diciples said, then you will have to go back to offering animals sacrfices for your sins for you would then be denying thye work of Jesus Christ on the cross--you would be denying Christ Himself for every word of the NT is written by man. For that matter, the only thing written by God Himself are the 10 commandments---everything else is written by man under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. And there are no actual tables of stone that have been found that were written by God---technically, it is all the word of man.

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You are assuming several things about me, and throwing your hands in the air. The spirit of the Most High God is an instructor; He promised this so that we will not ever have to ask our neighbor about Him - a promise and a New Covenant/Contract. If you are stuck on a deserted island, you would be able to commune with the Most High God through His spirit - without a canon, or other people. Another person would be the luxury of fellowship.

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You do not believe that the apostles had the inspiration of the Holy Spirit for what they said?? It would be an insult to Jesus to continue to offer animal sacrifices after His death and resurrection.

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What you call the ceremonial law is not all about animal sacrifices.

Kaon said:

The apostles tested the Holy Spirit for themselves. They are witness to the Holy Spirit.

Angels are witnesses of the Most High God.

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And that is why their words are the word of God.

mmksparbud said:

And that is why their words are the word of God.

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There is only one Word of God, and He is a Living entity. The Word of God is a real entity capable of communicating himself to anyone He pleases.

Kaon said:

There is only one Word of God, and He is a Living entity. The Word of God is a real entity capable of communicating himself to anyone He pleases.

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Yes--that has been established. And He chose certain men who wrote down what He said to them and we call it the bible and it consists of the OT and the NT.

mmksparbud said:

Yes--that has been established. And He chose certain men who wrote down what He said to them and we call it the bible and it consists of the OT and the NT.

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The Word of God Himself never said any of the Law was void and inapplicable. If His appointed servants are not in union with Him, then they are in error. It is as simple as that; are you trying to tell me someone who says precisely what the Word of God does not say is trustworthy?

Now, I personally don't think anyone in the canon - from Peter to Paul - actually contradict the Most High God. The Word of God Himself said He did not come to change the Law, but to fulfil it. There are no synonyms of fulfil that relate to "void, nullity, etc."

Kaon said:

The Word of God Himself never said any of the Law was void and inapplicable. If His appointed servants are not in union with Him, then they are in error. It is as simple as that; are you trying to tell me someone who says precisely what the Word of God does not say is trustworthy?

Now, I personally don't think anyone in the canon - from Peter to Paul - actually contradict the Most High God. The Word of God Himself said He did not come to change the Law, but to fulfil it. There are no synonyms of fulfil that relate to "void, nullity, etc."

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Than what exactly is your problem? They have spoken as the Holy Spirit directed them--you concede they are His spokesmen and do not contradict what God has said---so I fail to see what the problem is.

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Than what exactly is your problem? They have spoken as the Holy Spirit directed them--you concede they are His spokesmen and do not contradict what God has said---so I fail to see what the problem is.

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I keep hearing that the Law of Moses has been done away with. My problem is that no one has ever been able to show any place where the Most High God, or the Word of God Himself have ever made any parts of the Law null, void, inert or non applicable to the entities He calls His people and even sons/daughters.

Kaon said:

I keep hearing that the Law of Moses has been done away with. My problem is that no one has ever been able to show any place where the Most High God, or the Word of God Himself have ever made any parts of the Law null, void, inert or non applicable to the entities He calls His people and even sons/daughters.

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It was shown you but you say it is man that says it---and yet you say that the apostles are true and speak for God yet you don't want to accept what they say---The ceremonial laws have been done away with at the cross--you conceded that yet you turn around and say God never said it---

Col_2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Law of Moses, the ordinances, are those he wrote as dictated by God. They are nailed to the cross.

1Co_9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
Heb_9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Act_15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

circumcision is not mentioned in the 10 commandments. neither is muzzling the ox, nor anything doing with blood sacrifices---those things are the law of Moses. The testimony are the 10 commandments. They were kept in the Ark--it is called the Ark of the Testimony.

Exo_25:16 And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.
Exo_25:21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
Exo_25:22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
Exo_26:33 And thou shalt hang up the vail under the taches, that thou mayest bring in thither within the vail the ark of the testimony: and the vail shall divide unto you between the holy place and the most holy.
Exo_26:34 And thou shalt put the mercy seat upon the ark of the testimony in the most holy place.

Which was a replica of the heavenly ark--and the heavenly ark contain the testimony.

Rev_15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

mmksparbud said:

It was shown you but you say it is man that says it---and yet you say that the apostles are true and speak for God yet you don't want to accept what they say---The ceremonial laws have been done away with at the cross--you conceded that yet you turn around and say God never said it---

Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
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Col_2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Law of Moses, the ordinances, are those he wrote as dictated by God. They are nailed to the cross.

1Co_9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
Heb_9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Act_15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

circumcision is not mentioned in the 10 commandments. neither is muzzling the ox, nor anything doing with blood sacrifices---those things are the law of Moses. The testimony are the 10 commandments. They were kept in the Ark--it is called the Ark of the Testimony.

Exo_25:16 And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.
Exo_25:21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
Exo_25:22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
Exo_26:33 And thou shalt hang up the vail under the taches, that thou mayest bring in thither within the vail the ark of the testimony: and the vail shall divide unto you between the holy place and the most holy.
Exo_26:34 And thou shalt put the mercy seat upon the ark of the testimony in the most holy place.

Which was a replica of the heavenly ark--and the heavenly ark contain the testimony.

Rev_15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

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The law of Moses is a misnomer at beat; the Word of God is a living entity. Men are not the Word of God. The Word of God doesn't need men to speak for Him. The men were to direct men toward the Most High God, not legislate spiritual law or be the mouthpiece for the Word of God Himself.

To say a human speaks FOR God is ridiculous to me; God speaks for Himself just like He has always done. Humans are teachers and prophets, but not the Word of God.


Where does the actual ENTITY KNOWN AS THE WORD OF GOD, or the MOST HIGH GOD Himself actually say that anyone can nullify or void any parts of His Law? Stop showing me where MEN said something that seemingly contradicts the Most High God Himself. I am asking where our FATHER SAID we could disobey any of His laws previously set up.

No one can give it, because it doesn't exist anywhere in the canon, apocrypha even Gnostics. Your soul is on the line, and tradition is dictating its trajectory. Re-evaluate what is ACTUALLY the Word of God (an entity) versus what representatives say. The doctrine of legal nullification is extremely dangerous, and points to Matthew 7:21-23.

Kaon said:

The law of Moses is a misnomer at beat; the Word of God is a living entity. Men are not the Word of God. The Word of God doesn't need men to speak for Him. The men were to direct men toward the Most High God, not legislate spiritual law or be the mouthpiece for the Word of God Himself.

To say a human speaks FOR God is ridiculous to me; God speaks for Himself just like He has always done. Humans are teachers and prophets, but not the Word of God.


Where does the actual ENTITY KNOWN AS THE WORD OF GOD, or the MOST HIGH GOD Himself actually say that anyone can nullify or void any parts of His Law? Stop showing me where MEN said something that seemingly contradicts the Most High God Himself. I am asking where our FATHER SAID we could disobey any of His laws previously set up.

No one can give it, because it doesn't exist anywhere in the canon, apocrypha even Gnostics. Your soul is on the line, and tradition is dictating its trajectory. Re-evaluate what is ACTUALLY the Word of God (an entity) versus what representatives say. The doctrine of legal nullification is extremely dangerous, and points to Matthew 7:21-23.

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You make no sense to me---you say you believe the apostles but you do not believe them! According to what you are saying, there is not one word of the bible that you believe in as every single word in it is from man. It seems as though the only thing you will believe is if you hear directly from God yourself, so I think you need to go directly to Him and not bother with this site for we can only offer you what the bible says and not one word of it is written by God Himself.

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You make no sense to me---you say you believe the apostles but you do not believe them! According to what you are saying, there is not one word of the bible that you believe in as every single word in it is from man. It seems as though the only thing you will believe is if you hear directly from God yourself, so I think you need to go directly to Him and not bother with this site for we can only offer you what the bible says and not one word of it is written by God Himself.

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If that is what you got from what I have said, then we should end the exchange between us here.


Cheers.

Kaon said:

I never said that. I do believe it, indeed.

But, we are called to test all spirits - even what the prophets and angels tell us. That means testing it against the Word of God Himself, and the Most High God.

If there is no place where the Most High God said that right now we have two different laws, or that any of His law is null and void - and another person says the opposite - then it is time to reassess one's understanding of what the person said.

Unless, there is actually a place where the Most High God, and/or the Word of God Himself said that any of the Law or commandments are null, void and/or no longer operable.

The Word of God Himself can tell us not to sacrifice anymore (it should be obvious why), and why we don't execute judgment first - He is the Arbiter of the Law. His word supersedes any other entity in the entirety of Creation, which is why I am asking for where He said what you are saying.

Too many denominations have been built on what men have said. What does the Most High God Himself actually say?

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Either we have different Bibles or yours has lots of holes in it.

Kaon said:

The apostles tested the Holy Spirit for themselves. They are witness to the Holy Spirit.

Angels are witnesses of the Most High God.

You still need to test every single thing against the Word of God just like good little children [should] test everything they hear on the playground against their parent's instruction.




I have told you several times what I believe: that only the Most High God, or the Word of God Himself is the authority on the Law. The Word of God Himself - the only begotten Son of the Most High God - humiliated Himself into the form of Son of Man as a Sacrifice of sacrifices for the people of the Most High God. He did this so that they will have a chance at life if they believe the aforementioned. It was a promise fulfilled by the God of God and King of Kings - a promise to His people.

There is no man, or god that I put before the Most High God.



You are supposed to test what you hear against the word of the Most High God. If He says something, and someone else comes along and says something else, your first action should be to see what the Most High God said.

The doctrine of legal nullity is damaging. Where did the Most High God ever say HIMSELF that we could disobey the laws He previously gave us?



You are assuming several things about me, and throwing your hands in the air. The spirit of the Most High God is an instructor; He promised this so that we will not ever have to ask our neighbor about Him - a promise and a New Covenant/Contract. If you are stuck on a deserted island, you would be able to commune with the Most High God through His spirit - without a canon, or other people. Another person would be the luxury of fellowship.

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mmksparbud has been telling you the truth in her last few exchanges with you.