You must PROVE you LOVE the LORD to be saved!

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For me the question is what commandments. I say they are the commandments of Jesus only which have nothing to do with the law (famous 10).
Well those who love their neighbor as themselves don’t steal their stuff or murder them. They don’t covet their family or relatives either. So I don’t see how the ten commandments God gave Moses are allowed to be broken under Jesus’ commandments.
 
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Acting like you love the Lord is not loving the Lord. If you must "turn it on" it is an act. But; “And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.” (Deuteronomy 30:6) (KJV 1900)

If you are truly born again, you are a new creation designed to love God.
It’s true but the funny thing about the human heart is that if you act like you love someone, often eventually you do. This is why actors often “fall” in love with their leading partner in films. It’s how we work. At first we just acted out of will. Later it was real. What the mind decides to do, the heart often gets on the band wagon.
 
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It’s true but the funny thing about the human heart us that if you act like you love someone, often eventually you do. This is why actors often “fall” in love with their leading partner in films. It’s how we work. At first we just acted out of will. Later it was real.
I think lust is a more precise term.
 
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I think lust is a more precise term.
Not at all. I know people who took a job, for example to have an income, decided to find good in it, and ended up loving it.

And these actors often married their counterpart when they didn’t need to do so.
 
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What evidence do you have that Pastors are not showing/proclaiming Scripture to people?
Oh, they proclaim Scriptures all right
... the ones they want to proclaim.
But, not the ones which threaten!
Not the ones that will cause people to leave,
Not the ones that will cause the tithes to slow down.

Here's ONE that you'll never hear in your church:
1 John 3:7-10 talks about distinguishing between
"the children of God and the children of the devil".
Interested? ... Just read it.
 
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It’s true but the funny thing about the human heart is that if you act like you love someone, often eventually you do. This is why actors often “fall” in love with their leading partner in films. It’s how we work. At first we just acted out of will. Later it was real. What the mind decides to do, the heart often gets on the band wagon.
Many thanks for that word of wisdom.
 
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Oh, they proclaim Scriptures all right
... the ones they want to proclaim.
But, not the ones which threaten!
Not the ones that will cause people to leave,
Not the ones that will cause the tithes to slow down.

1. How do you know?
2. Tithing isn't compulsory or a requirement. Granted, if people leave, giving goes down - but any wise Minister would teach that a) they are giving to God and b) that their giving is between them and God. They may well find that if they teach the Gospel, make disciples and help people to develop their relationship with God; increased giving will follow.

Here's ONE that you'll never hear in your church:
1 John 3:7-10 talks about distinguishing between
"the children of God and the children of the devil".
Interested? ... Just read it.

I've heard that a number of times - I've been in churches that have studied 1 John as a sermon series.
 
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Sorry, but the baptism with/of the Holy Spirit
has nothing at all to do with being born-again,
which occurs when one is baptized BY the Spirit
into the church (1 Cor 12:13).
For more clarification on this misunderstanding,
research about the 2 Holy Spirit baptisms!
Maybe you don't understand baptism in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. When done as the Apostles taught we receive the baptism of water and Spirit. We are born again into the Church, the body of Jesus, and are baptized with God's Holy Spirit.
 
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Maybe you don't understand baptism in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. When done as the Apostles taught we receive the baptism of water and Spirit. We are born again into the Church, the body of Jesus, and are baptized with God's Holy Spirit.
Yes, but I am talking about a different baptism,
the one John the Baptist was referring to in:
Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, John 1:33.
This 2nd Holy Spirit baptism was what
the 120 received on the Day of Pentecost!
It was the promised gift: Luke 24, Acts 1, Acts 2, etc.
which had nothing to do with being born-again!
And there was no H2O involved!
 
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That's all very sweet and nice indeed ...
but some non-believers (esp. in other religions)
go around with great peace, smiles, and etc.
... all the while being incredibly deceived, etc.

IF you believe that Jesus is the only way ...
preach the word, and it will not came back void.

I don't believe I was talking to you BC I was in a side conversation with David, which has since been terminated.
 
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Yes, but I am talking about a different baptism,
the one John the Baptist was referring to in:
Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, John 1:33.
This 2nd Holy Spirit baptism was what
the 120 received on the Day of Pentecost!
It was the promised gift: Luke 24, Acts 1, Acts 2, etc.
which had nothing to do with being born-again!
And there was no H2O involved!
The baptism which John and the followers of Jesus performed was water baptism, the baptism of repentance. This, plus the laying on of hands to receive God's Holy Spirit is combined to be baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit that the Church has celebrated since the first century.
 
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We will walk unfettered to the guillotine confessing
Jesus Christ as the Word of God made flesh.
Right?

That is my decision, yes. I fail to see what you are saying tho. A tree cannot bear fruit before it is planted. I find it equally eronus that a christian must exhibit fruit of the spirit before even being reborn (saved).

Maybe this is a matter of semantics, and you intend to convey that an individual that IS saved will exhibit love for the Lord, but as written, I view the statement as a prerequisite, rather than an characteristic of salvation.
 
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The baptism which John and the followers of Jesus performed was water baptism, the baptism of repentance. This, plus the laying on of hands to receive God's Holy Spirit is combined to be baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit that the Church has celebrated since the first century.
Gee, thanks for the heads-up. Chow.
 
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For me the question is what commandments. I say they are the commandments of Jesus only which have nothing to do with the law (famous 10).

They have so much to do with the law, the law is mentioned immediately after Jesus mentions his 2 commandments.
 
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This sounds bells off in my spirit. Reason being this sound like works based faith. That you somehow need to earn Christ's redemption. Notwithstanding if you have faith you will commit works, and likewise works will prove/imbue faith. But none of what you have to 'offer' is yours to begin with. God created faith, love, hope, and charitableness. He alone is the creator and author of your faith/ and the progenitor of love itself.
He created everything so of what use is this information? The question is never if we made up or created love or hope but what we DO with what God created.
What we are left with, is like a small child having been given money from their parent/s, to buy a gift, and present that gift to the parent/s that gave the child the money in the first place. The child did not 'buy' the gift... it was not their money. Yet the gift is well received because it comes from a loved one, even tho the individual literally paid for their own gift they received from the child. Like a 3 year old that 'bought' a card for Mommy.
You forget that they could have bought themselves candy instead of a card for mom. That is the point. If you admit it all belongs to God, do you give it all back to Him or do you spend it on you instead? That is the question.
It's not our love to give. Not our measure of faith. We do not have the reasoning nor understanding without God to even contemplate our relationship with Christ.
But did we refuse to receive what He desired to give?
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. None is righteous.
The Bible calls some men “righteous” and sone seeking God so there’s a problem with your wide application. Some were called righteous and some were called seeking God.
We do not know how to love without God.
Once we experience forgiveness, we do know and are responsible to do so to others.
We love God because he first loved us while we were yet sinners.
As baby Christians sure. As mature Christians this is way too little. A child loves his parents cause they give presents. An adult offspring no longer needs the presents in order to love.
 
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Undoubtedly. What He has not proved is His ability to keep the promise of completing the work He began in us. He can't and won't prove that until we stand justified before Him in eternity.
If you think He is doing it all ignoring the constant warnings of what we have to do, you’re going to be disappointed. Jesus has his part and we have our part. He is not doing our part for us.
He is in charge of that scenario from start to finish just as He has said.
He has told us what we need to do and leaves us to want to do it, pray for help to do it and not resist the Holy Spirit retarding our own growth.
The aseity of God is a well established doctrine. He is not bound by anything external to Himself.

Rather - He is bound by His Word which He has given to us wherein He simply cannot lie.
He is bound by his word, gladly. When, for example, he taught that if we don’t forgive, we won’t be forgiven. He will not deny that promise.
"My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it." Isaiah 58:11

"But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast." Ephesians 2:4-9
True
"This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.” John 6:39-40
Where is it written you are one of those? How come not a single apostle taught that to the believers? Isn’t it because there isn’t any description of those given to Jesus except the 12?
 
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A child loves his parents cause they give presents.

A child loves his parents because they ARE his parents and provide food, warmth, shelter, safety, nurture and hopefully love and affection.
I've even read of children who are denied some of these things; whose parents are neglectful, and yet they still love them and want to do their best to please them.

And I don't believe that responding to God's love alone, is "way too little".
God's love is awesome - he sent his perfect Son to die for godless, wicked, undeserving sinners. It would take anyone a lifetime to try to understand that - it may be years before some even accept it.
 
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