Is masturbation a sin?

Is masturbation a sin?

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Does anyone know of even one bible verse that specifically says it is a sin?

I am not talking about lusting after another.

What if you are married and you touch?

I think people are extremely legalistic about this subject unnecessarily.

I mean if the OP have a poll that is only a yes or no question with no option of clicking "it depends", then it hard to not be binary in an answer and sound legalistic. Some would rather choose yes, or rather choose no, but I think all can agree that we wouldn't go up to a person and tell them they are damned for it.
 
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I am not talking about lusting after another.

I don't think it is credible to claim one can touch without lust. If you could, then I would agree that it is not a sin, but I think you are probably fooling yourself.

What if you are married and you touch?

Still a sin. Even more so when you are married because you are separating yourself from your spouse.
 
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According to all the self justification posted, it still seems to boil down to whose will comes first (no pun intended) ours or God's?
Nah, it's more like who gets to speak for God. He was silent about the issue when writing the Bible. Some people are content with that, others are not.
 
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Hello. I’m not quite sure if I’m posting in the correct area because I’m new to the site and forums in general, but here we go. I’m a 17 year old boy and lately I have been curious about this issue in the church. I would tend to lean more towards it NOT being sinful. However, I’m open to having my mind changed. I’ve researched this quite a bit and gathered various answers from both sides of the debate. Most answers I’ve gathered against masturbation involve scripture twisting or just aren’t logically sound (at least that is how I see them). I’ve asked my parents and pastors with no real answer. Obviously living in the United States, I cannot get married legally unless I have parental consent (I do not). So Paul’s advice in 1 Corinthians 7:9 doesn’t help since our cultures are different. So, that said, what are your thoughts?
I was in your shoes not too long ago; I voted yes.

This is how I see it: does masturbation require lustful thoughts for you to feel compelled to do it? If the answer is yes, there isn't any way it can't be a sin. That is a matter of the heart though, and only you and God can look into your heart.
 
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You may not see this as huge, but the very fact you notice, and the very fact that you (spiritually) acted on what you saw - even to go as far as to ask pastors/family, and eventually us here - lets me know you were convicted.

And, that is is a good thing. Even if you ask because you see a disproportionate amount of negative or positive attention toward something - that is a conviction.

Now, let me ask another question, and you can answer this to yourself: does masturbation require you to visualize another person in a sexual way?
It is very possible to be over-anxious about sin, and to ask a clarifying question. "Father, is it a sin to think of the Rosary without then praying a chaplet?" No. The fact of a clarifying question is not sufficient to demonstrate one's conviction or the fact of sinfulness.
 
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Do you think about a woman with lust when you touch?

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh. on a woman to lust after her hath committed. adultery with her already in his heart. (Matthew 5:28)
Badly misunderstood in our culture.

The word translated lust (epithumeo) here is better translated Covet (as in “thou shalt not covet”) and is translated that way in Paul’s letters, as well as in the LXX.

It is NOT just sexual desire, or the acute need for orgasmic release. It is coveting of a particular person, needing to have THAT person.
 
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Go ahead and let it build up. One of these days you'll have a wet dream anyway and wake up with a mess to clean.
Per research done by “the marriage bed” (a Christian marriage and sex site) only 40% of men can have wet dreams. The rest of us have the dreams, but wake up right on the edge of the “wet” part. Not good.
 
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I mean if the OP have a poll that is only a yes or no question with no option of clicking "it depends", then it hard to not be binary in an answer and sound legalistic. Some would rather choose yes, or rather choose no, but I think all can agree that we wouldn't go up to a person and tell them they are damned for it.
I can agree that a third option would have been good.

But the church I attended in college DID say that. In fact if the elders found out a guy masturbated, they would call him in for counseling/ordering/demonic deliverance/etc. If that did not work, he would be publicly called out before the congregation for his sins.

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I have to add this addendum to my comment on my former congregation. About 3 months after my wife and I married, they started to show a video series on Sunday nights, one a week for 8 or 10 weeks. It was by a (then) up and coming voice in the Christian world Dr James Dobson. He was not well known at that point. We were out of town for the final segment which was on “Preparing for adolescence.” Apparently he made such a good (and humble) case FOR masturbation the collective leadership made a public apology for being so aggressive against it. While that did not help me much, it was GREAT for those who were still single.
 
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I've spent time looking into this particular subject, being single myself and I did not want to find the answer I did. But masturbation is a sin, plain and simple.
I also have spent a lot of time researching this topic, and came to the exact opposite conclusion.

If it is a sin, why did it get described in the Song of Solomon in positive terms?
 
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If one is seeking to please God, this is a conversation that need NOT be had.

The bible says "So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God." Yet we have some here stating that they do this and that "as unto the lord," as if their actions in the flesh are pleasing to God.

One who does not engage in this activity is no more pleasing to God than those that do......So what do we gain from telling others to do this and that for God but sustain from doing other works of the flesh? Have we found ways to please God in the flesh?.....making the afore mentioned Scripture now untrue?

"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him."

"For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit."

"Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

I say lets take our minds off the flesh....and seek the spirit.....
 
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Per research done by “the marriage bed” (a Christian marriage and sex site) only 40% of men can have wet dreams. The rest of us have the dreams, but wake up right on the edge of the “wet” part. Not good.
Why do you say this is not good?
 
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As a person who struggles with masturbation, I was once in your shoes. I tried to justify it and tell myself that it was okay. And here's the thing: for some people, it might be. If you are able to touch without lustful thoughts or feelings, then maybe, maybe it isn't a sin. For me, masturbation comes from lust and deep-seated sexual immorality in my life. It's a sin when I carry out the action. Therefore, I avoid it and I tend it to call it out as a sinful action.

But neither I nor anyone else here can speak for God. If it's something you're wrestling with in your mind, then you need to pray and ask God what HE thinks, not what we think. We can go around and around all we want and you're never, ever going to get a solid answer. We can quote scripture until we die but ultimately it's up to God. We don't have the answers on this specific issue because it's not explicitly listed in the Bible as a sin or not a sin.

Live according to your convictions and seek answers from Him and Him alone. But I will say this: masturbation satisfies the sexual desires of the flesh and we are supposed to put off the flesh and focus on higher things. You do what you will with that and take it to God. He can answer this question better than we can.
 
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Per research done by “the marriage bed” (a Christian marriage and sex site) only 40% of men can have wet dreams. The rest of us have the dreams, but wake up right on the edge of the “wet” part. Not good.
You need to take a look at that survey again. It states "One hundred percent of the men and 99.3% of the women have climaxed in their sleep."
Nocturnal [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]
 
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I want to ask you some serious questions, and I want you to really think about them, and be willing to give yourself an answer you don't like. and pray about it while you reflect on it, for God to reveal the truth to you. and just know that I ask these not for my benefit or point, but for yours, I wish someone asked me this list a while ago, and that I stopped to give myself a true answer.

have you prayed about it? and, not in an accusatory way at all, I don't know your story. have you ever been filled with the Holy Spirit? either at belief or later? Do you have the blessed assurance of His Holy Spirit living in you, and a difference that you can compare between before you received Him and when you did receive Him? are you living in other sin? does the Bible still speak to you when you read it? and do you feel like this action gets in the way of following God with all of your heart? and do you think that He called you to give it up at some point in time, and you did not want to give it up? you don't have to answer on the forum if you don't want to, but it is good to self reflect. be truthful at least to yourself.
and I am not accusing either, or trying to start an argument brother, just to clarify that again.

I will answer your questions and I will be brutally honest about it.

You are speaking to:
48 year old female; adult child of an alcoholic mother; incest survivor; disabled war veteran; mother of 17 year old developmentally disabled boy with a chronic medical condition (who to my knowledge does not touch - he self identifies as "asexual". He functions probably about the level of a 11 to 12 year old.) As he is right now, he is not capable of living independently. So he will probably live with me for the rest of his, or my life; who ever lives longer; (unless Christ returns before we die). His father is deceased. He committed suicide 2 years ago.

I have been a Christian since I was 17. That is 31 years at this point. I have been in and out of counseling for 35 years. My major mental health issue is PTSD, although I have suffered from depression and have been hospitalized for suicidal intensions (that was 20 years ago). I am not depressed now and have not struggled with suicidal thoughts for about 10 years now.

Having been a victim of sexual abuse; I had 2 things to confront. One was my overwhelming sense of shame. The other was the question of whether or not sex was actually suppose to hurt; seeing how the only experience I'd ever had with the act was both physically and psychologically painful.

So when I was about 18; I embarked upon a quest to try and remedy these issues, because I knew that if I was ever going to have children, I'd have to get past my fear of men. I knew of 2 types of men in my world; ones that hurt me (my brother was the abuser) and ones who were powerless to help me (my dad; who knew what was going on (my mother was part of the perpetuation of the incest problem - she'd continued an incestuous relationship with her own brother well into her marriage), but dad understood well enough back in the 70's that if he filed for divorce he'd never get custody of his daughters.)

I half often half joke that I grew up in the kind of family psychiatrists read about in their text books. Both of my parents have been deceased for more than 10 years.

I started going to Al-Anon meetings at 16 years old, and this was my first introduction to the concept of a "Higher Power" who could (and actually cared enough) to "restore me to sanity". I was an atheist prior to this. I distinctly remember being an atheist. I came to trust God; although I had little understanding of who He was at the time. Then my Al-Anon friend (an older divorced woman) who was taking me to meetings; picked me up for a meeting one summer evening and asked if it was OK that we go to the Billy Graham crusade instead of the meeting. I said: "Sure, why not." I did the "accept Jesus" thing and went down to the field. This sparked my interest in Christianity and shortly after that; I bought a Bible and started reading it.

Several months passed and I came to trust God more and more, even though I didn't really understand a whole lot about Christianity, theologically speaking. I was fascinated by the concept of Jesus the Redeemer. "The power of His word can split the earth and sky, yet mend the lives that sin has torn apart." Sin had most certainly torn my life apart and I knew I desperately needed mending.

So months passed and at about 18 years old, with these issues and questions swimming around in my head related to my extremely dysfunctional family of origin and wondering what sex was really suppose to be; I started to wonder if I was gay because I could not get past this overwhelming sense of fear I had. Well, God stopped me dead in my tracks in a very unconventional way!

One night, I had this really... unusual dream about Jesus.

(And here is why to this day I do not take a whole lot of stock in my dreams. I often find them useful; but do not see them as "Divinely inspired".)

Well, in this dream me and Jesus did stuff that I felt comforted by, secure in and now I really wanted to know what "all this" was really all about.

Yet at that point, I'd read enough Bible to know I did not want to try this with another human being. That would not make God happy. So I tried it on myself. And I realized, this was not suppose to be a hurtful, bad thing.

The next 20 years, I spent studying the Bible as well as science and biology trying to find the truth as to what sexuality was really suppose to be. I'd even felt at one point that I was addicted to masturbation and I even went to sex addicts 12 step groups. It took a long time to realize that I suffered more from PTSD than addiction. And although at 29 years old, I'd gotten married and had my son at 31; there was no safer space I shared with anyone; than that space I shared with God and it took a long time for me to come to the place of wholly thanking Him for what I was capable of feeling and the fact that I had this space that I could take these needs, desires, feelings to Him in.

And here is how I also know; that just because someone is married; does not mean they are suddenly exempt from not glorifying God with their sexuality. Once our son was born and my husband learned within the next 6 months that he had a developmentally disabled boy, he lost all interest in me and by the time our son was 4; my husband was off pursuing girlfriend #1. Once he got the news from the Early Intervention program that our son was significantly delayed (he was a year old) we never had sex again.

7 years passed. Our son was 8 years old when we were in a nearly fatal car accident. My husband threw myself and our son out of the apartment a year later. He'd broken up with girlfriend #1 at that point and was now pursuing girlfriend #2. 6 years after the physical separation, he filed for divorce in February of 2017; so he could marry girlfriend #2. On March 3, 2017, she broke up with him and he committed suicide that night.

After he died; I attempted to meet potential marriage partners over various Christian internet dating sites. I did this for about a year. I got many interested men; until they found out I have a developmentally disabled son who will be living with me for the rest of either his life or mine.

So it's me, the kid and Jesus - and that's OK. Some people for various life circumstances; can not get married.

So...

"Have you prayed about it".
All the time. It's best when I pray!

"Have you ever been filled with the Holy Spirit?"
His presence is a constant awareness in my life!

"Do you have the blessed assurance of His Holy Spirit living in you, and a difference that you can compare between before you received Him and when you did receive Him?"
Yes, I distinctly remember a time when I was not redeemed. I have always felt the presence of God to be the strongest when I faced the greatest tribulations of my soul; the war, my parents' deaths, the car accident, my husband's death, my son's multiple hospitalizations. I am loved and cared for. I know that. It is humbling and overwhelming. I like feeling humbled and overwhelmed by God's care!

"Are you living in other sin?"
No.

"Does the Bible still speak to you when you read it?"
All the time. In the years I've spent researching the topic of sexuality; I've discovered some fascinating things about Jesus and how He dealt with the issue in His own life.

"Do you feel like this action gets in the way of following God with all of your heart?"
Not at all. The process of exploration and discovery has been a major part of my spiritual journey to really understand what love is and a major part of my healing process. God's love is incredibly profound!

"Do you think that He called you to give it up at some point in time, and you did not want to give it up?"
I was desperate to ignore this aspect of my life. If I could have excised my sexuality from my existence, I would have. I could not give up my intense desire to be close to God. The act itself in many ways I could have cared less about. I wanted to feel normal. I wanted to feel whole and I sought to come to the place where sexuality was just a normal part of my life, just like eating, sleeping, washing the dishes, walking the dog etc. I wanted to be grateful and I did not want to feel like this had more power than it should. I found deliverance from the turmoil, in embracing this part of my existence.

"... be truthful at least to yourself."
 
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It is very possible to be over-anxious about sin, and to ask a clarifying question. "Father, is it a sin to think of the Rosary without then praying a chaplet?" No. The fact of a clarifying question is not sufficient to demonstrate one's conviction or the fact of sinfulness.

Of course it is conviction.

You don't have to be right to be convicted. In fact, correction doesn't need conviction - as there is no need to bring attention to a fault.

You have to have eyes to see, and ears to hear; most people can't even recognize one of the 12,000 clues the Most High God gives us to help us in spirit.
 
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I don't think it is credible to claim one can touch without lust. If you could, then I would agree that it is not a sin, but I think you are probably fooling yourself.



Still a sin. Even more so when you are married because you are separating yourself from your spouse.
And if your spouse separates from you? What are the rules then? Suppose you get married in good faith and, although you do have sex some, your spouse then withdraws completely and refuses any kind of counseling?
 
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