You must PROVE you LOVE the LORD to be saved!

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... to the jokester twins: Dave & Dave
We await your resume :p
Interesting:
Is anyone called, but NOT according to His purpose?

(Some are called by Satan to be weeds in the wheat.) lol
Hmm, a couple more questions come to mind.

1. Do you believe that there are things that happen outside the purview and ordination of the Almighty?

2. How does Satan "call" people to do his bidding?​

Thanks!

--David
 
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1. Do you believe that there are things that happen outside the purview and ordination of the Almighty?
2. How does Satan "call" people to do his bidding?
1. Of course
2. T'was a joke

BTW, do you think the OP is a joke?
 
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Matthew 22:37-38
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.
This is the first and great commandment.”

We actually must PROVE our LOVE for the LORD …

1 John 2:5, NLT
Those who obey God’s word truly show
how completely they love Him. That is how
we know we are living in Him.”

BACs who have “no condemnation” are “in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1).

1 John 5:3, NLT
Loving God means keeping His commandments,
and His commandments are not burdensome.”


John 14:15-24
If you love Me, obey My commandments
… He who has My commandments and obeys them, it is he who loves Me
… If anyone loves Me, he will obey My word
… He who does NOT love Me
does NOT obey My words”


Does anyone get to heaven who does NOT love Jesus?
Those who love Jesus will obey His commandments!


IF you PROVE that you LOVE Jesus, then you have
met one of the qualifications for salvation …


Romans 8:28-30
“And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.”


Another way to PROVE your LOVE for the LORD …

James 1:12-15
“Blessed is the man who endures temptation;
for when he has been approved, he will receive
the crown of life which the Lord has promised to
those who love Him … But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived,
it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.”

Love Jesus >>> endure temptation >>>
do not sin >>> crown of (eternal) life


John 15:9-14
“… abide in My love.
If you obey My commandments,
you will abide in My love
… You are My friends,
if you do whatever I command you.”

Those who are Jesus’ friends will obey His commandments!
Does anyone get to heaven who is NOT Jesus’ friend?


John 15:6
“If anyone does NOT abide in Me,
he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.”
Loving one another is proof as this is the most difficult task at hand for a human being. Do you love everyone?
 
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Loving one another is proof as this is the most difficult task at hand for a human being. Do you love everyone?
Sorry, off topic ...
The OP has nothing to do with
loving anyone other than God.
 
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Sorry, off topic ...
The OP has nothing to do with
loving anyone other than God.

It is impossible to love God unless you love one another for He will say "I never knew you".

1 John 4
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
 
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OK :D

Dave's question remains unanswered however .. "prove it .. to whom"?

Thanks!

--David


Looking at your signature picture, obviously Ligon did not get the gist of the quote 'Preach the Gospel daily, use words if necessary.'
 
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Matthew 22:37-38
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.
This is the first and great commandment.”

We actually must PROVE our LOVE for the LORD …

1 John 2:5, NLT
Those who obey God’s word truly show
how completely they love Him. That is how
we know we are living in Him.”

BACs who have “no condemnation” are “in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1).

1 John 5:3, NLT
Loving God means keeping His commandments,
and His commandments are not burdensome.”


John 14:15-24
If you love Me, obey My commandments
… He who has My commandments and obeys them, it is he who loves Me
… If anyone loves Me, he will obey My word
… He who does NOT love Me
does NOT obey My words”


Does anyone get to heaven who does NOT love Jesus?
Those who love Jesus will obey His commandments!


IF you PROVE that you LOVE Jesus, then you have
met one of the qualifications for salvation …


Romans 8:28-30
“And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.”


Another way to PROVE your LOVE for the LORD …

James 1:12-15
“Blessed is the man who endures temptation;
for when he has been approved, he will receive
the crown of life which the Lord has promised to
those who love Him … But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived,
it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.”

Love Jesus >>> endure temptation >>>
do not sin >>> crown of (eternal) life


John 15:9-14
“… abide in My love.
If you obey My commandments,
you will abide in My love
… You are My friends,
if you do whatever I command you.”

Those who are Jesus’ friends will obey His commandments!
Does anyone get to heaven who is NOT Jesus’ friend?


John 15:6
“If anyone does NOT abide in Me,
he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.”
There's really only one way to show that you love God. Surrender. Let go and allow God to live within you.
 
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Prove - to whom exactly?

God? The devil? Yourself?
When John told a certain group to bear fruit that befits repentance, to whom were they to do this for? When Jesus said “if you love me you’ll keep my teaching” who was this to be done for?

Isn’t the answer to all parties involved, that is God and us, as the application is correct.

“Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!”

Who is the one watching the outcome of us testing ourselves to see if we are in the faith? Isn’t the answer the same, God and us?

Don’t both parties have an interest in whether we love God?

Of course the catch is that it cannot be done on our own strength and God will not do it in us against our cooperation. Like salvation, He draws us and we choose to come. No coming without the Father drawing but no one is dragged against their will.

I think this a very beautiful partnership that shows relationship from the first touch.
 
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Matthew 22:37-38
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.
This is the first and great commandment.”

We actually must PROVE our LOVE for the LORD …

1 John 2:5, NLT
Those who obey God’s word truly show
how completely they love Him. That is how
we know we are living in Him.”

BACs who have “no condemnation” are “in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1).

1 John 5:3, NLT
Loving God means keeping His commandments,
and His commandments are not burdensome.”


John 14:15-24
If you love Me, obey My commandments
… He who has My commandments and obeys them, it is he who loves Me
… If anyone loves Me, he will obey My word
… He who does NOT love Me
does NOT obey My words”


Does anyone get to heaven who does NOT love Jesus?
Those who love Jesus will obey His commandments!


IF you PROVE that you LOVE Jesus, then you have
met one of the qualifications for salvation …


Romans 8:28-30
“And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.”


Another way to PROVE your LOVE for the LORD …

James 1:12-15
“Blessed is the man who endures temptation;
for when he has been approved, he will receive
the crown of life which the Lord has promised to
those who love Him … But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived,
it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.”

Love Jesus >>> endure temptation >>>
do not sin >>> crown of (eternal) life


John 15:9-14
“… abide in My love.
If you obey My commandments,
you will abide in My love
… You are My friends,
if you do whatever I command you.”

Those who are Jesus’ friends will obey His commandments!
Does anyone get to heaven who is NOT Jesus’ friend?


John 15:6
“If anyone does NOT abide in Me,
he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.”
Excellent post but I would suggest you move on from salvation as the goal into knowing God as the goal. Loving God for more than what He gave us requires knowing Him and that requires obeying Him in the choices we make. It is a higher goal than making sure one goes to Heaven.
 
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1. Of course
Wait, are you saying that God is neither omniscient nor omnipresent, nor sovereign over all, IOW, that things in His Creation can simply happen without His prior knowledge and consent? Surely not!??
2. T'was a joke
I got that, but my reply actually wasn't ;) My thought was this, how does someone become a lifetime "son of Satan" .. e.g. Matthew 13:37-39? Does Satan "call" his own like the Lord calls the elect? It was just a kind of wandering thought that I had as I was responding to your humorous reply.
BTW, do you think the OP is a joke?
No, I never thought that you were joking. However, your title (at least the way I understand it) doesn't make sense to me I guess you could say, because even if we were required* to perform personal, meritorious works in order for God to save us, we still wouldn't have to "prove" to Him that we did them. (because He is omniscient and omnipresent, yes?)

--David

*(Just to be clear, we are not "required" to do good deeds or anything else to be saved .. well, save believing) .. e.g. John 5:24; 20:31; Romans 3:28, 10:9-10; Ephesians 2:8-10; Titus 3:5....., because nothing that 'we' do, good deeds/holy living, etc., can save us. The only works that can merit our salvation are the ones that Jesus has already performed and completed on our behalf. Therefore, He is our only innocence, our only righteousness, and the only atonement & satisfaction for our sins)
 
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It is impossible to love God unless you love one another for He will say "I never knew you".

1 John 4
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
question, I felt like my heart was wrong with God, and then like I am trying to love others to hopefully get back to God, but the problem is that if your heart is not right with God, it seems impossible to properly love other people. since your motives are off, just a thought. if you love God who you can't see, then you can be free to love others right? or is it the other way around. (I am confused, so this post is more of a please help me sort this mess out post.) I mean, pride comes from serving others if it is done for the wrong reasons. self righteousness can be bred.
 
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Luke 7:27-30 27This is the one about whom it is written: "'I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.' 28I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he." 29(All the people, even the tax collectors, when they heard Jesus' words, acknowledged that God's way was right, because they had been baptized by John. 30But the Pharisees and the experts in the law rejected God's purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John.)
something about the repentance granted them belief.
Luke 5:31-32 31Jesus answered them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 32I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

Luke 24:46-48 46He told them, "This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48You are witnesses of these things.

2 Timothy 2:24-26 24And the LORD's servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

trust and obey. they go hand in hand. faith without works is dead, but lack of faith can cause one to stumble, if you do not believe that God can perform what He said, you might not do what He asked you to do because of fear and/or doubt.
if you try to be justified by your the law, you fall short of grace, but if you say you believe and do not obey, you are not professing Jesus as Lord. which is a condition of salvation. He must be your Lord. you must have allegiance to Him, to God, not to satan and sin. if you are a servant of sin, you are a slave to it, if you are a servant of God, you are a slave to righteousness, and you can not sin, for God's seed is in you. the point is a clean conscience, a pure heart, being obedient from the heart. it is God who saves you, God who gives you faith, God who works in you to will and to work for His good pleasure, and we need to be obedient to Him. anyone who is His knows the feeling they get whenever they sin, that it is wrong. I don't want to continue in rebellion against my God, with the excuse of, He will forgive me.
 
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Wait, are you saying that God is neither omniscient nor omnipresent, nor sovereign over all, IOW, that things in His Creation can simply happen without His prior knowledge and consent? Surely not!??
Knowing is not causing. Sovereign does not mean tyranny (micro-managing.) God sovereignly decided that his creatures have free will and are able to do that which is against his will. He decided this and is not threatened when we do.
No, I never thought that you were joking. However, your title (at least the way I understand it) doesn't make sense to me I guess you could say, because even if we were required* to perform personal, meritorious works in order for God to save us, we still wouldn't have to "prove" to Him that we did them. (because He is omniscient and omnipresent, yes?)
You will need to deal with the repeated statements in the Bible where God tested or went to see if it were so as in testing Abraham or sending messengers to see if Sodom and G were really as bad as reported. After the test God said to Abraham, "Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."

The answer is complex, by the way. But to assume that God is controlling the whole earth is untrue and He is nevertheless sovereign. Sovereign does not mean micro managing and having creatures able to freely love or not does not mean He is not sovereign.
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*(Just to be clear, we are not "required" to do good deeds or anything else to be saved .. well, save believing) .. e.g. John 5:24; 20:31; Romans 3:28, 10:9-10; Ephesians 2:8-10; Titus 3:5....., because nothing that 'we' do, good deeds/holy living, etc., can save us. The only works that can merit our salvation are the ones that Jesus has already performed and completed on our behalf. Therefore, He is our only innocence, our only righteousness, and the only atonement & satisfaction for our sins)
When Jesus told the story of the goats and the sheep, He did not tell either the sheep or the goats that the only works needed to enter the Kingdom of Heaven are the ones that he did or is about to do and they do not need to do anything at all but believe that He did everything. It is not believing the Gospel but hoping for a free ride into Heaven, or what Bonhoeffer calls "cheap grace" which costs a man NOTHING.
 
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Matthew 22:37-38
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.
This is the first and great commandment.”

We actually must PROVE our LOVE for the LORD …

1 John 2:5, NLT
Those who obey God’s word truly show
how completely they love Him. That is how
we know we are living in Him.”

BACs who have “no condemnation” are “in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1).

1 John 5:3, NLT
Loving God means keeping His commandments,
and His commandments are not burdensome.”


John 14:15-24
If you love Me, obey My commandments
… He who has My commandments and obeys them, it is he who loves Me
… If anyone loves Me, he will obey My word
… He who does NOT love Me
does NOT obey My words”


Does anyone get to heaven who does NOT love Jesus?
Those who love Jesus will obey His commandments!


IF you PROVE that you LOVE Jesus, then you have
met one of the qualifications for salvation …


Romans 8:28-30
“And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.”


Another way to PROVE your LOVE for the LORD …

James 1:12-15
“Blessed is the man who endures temptation;
for when he has been approved, he will receive
the crown of life which the Lord has promised to
those who love Him … But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived,
it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.”

Love Jesus >>> endure temptation >>>
do not sin >>> crown of (eternal) life


John 15:9-14
“… abide in My love.
If you obey My commandments,
you will abide in My love
… You are My friends,
if you do whatever I command you.”

Those who are Jesus’ friends will obey His commandments!
Does anyone get to heaven who is NOT Jesus’ friend?


John 15:6
“If anyone does NOT abide in Me,
he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.”
I would also say "prove to whom?" and i don't think it is about proving anything, at all...

One person said they were gonna "get back at God by disobeying Him", and I thought I heard God kind of say, "OK...? And you think that hurts me...? Obeying or doing what I tell you or say, is for "your benefit", and is just some wisdom for you, what you choose to with it or that from there is entirely up to you... And He said it does hurt Him, but only because we are not having the best or fullest life that we could have, and He hurts "for us" but not because we hurt or harmed Him or could even possibly provoke Him or anything like that, by anything like that... He hurts for us, with us...

And obey what law, what commandments...? And the "letter of the law", which is (not only) deceptive, but turns those following it/preaching/teaching it, and trying in their own strength to obey it, (and actually think they are obeying it) (hence the deception) anyway, all of "this", breeds the worst kind of evil, and makes for some of the most evil and wicked people ever around, and Jesus knew this, about the letter of the law, the written down code of Ten Commandments (written in commandments, on purpose) and all the others (the other OT laws, that were in the form or way of a commandment)... God designed the letter of the Law and the OT Law, or the royal law or code, but put in a form of commands or commandments, (called the letter of the law) to be that way, on purpose...

It was not always meant to be in effect or last, but was "for a time"... It was not even taught to Gentiles, and was not even meant to be even a teaching in Christianity, and following it (law) or going back to it, was considered apostasy, and heresy to NT Grace and Love teachings and was an affront to the very foundations or foundational principles or core principles and teachings of true Christianity... What matters now is Love, and having faith, and growing, not in law (self-effort, works that puff up) but in Grace, and Mercy, and Faith and Love, and true Justice, and Love, and walking in that and living it out, and allowing that to perfect you, or clear or wash you up, or away your sins in time...

More serving, or considering yourself a servant of others and being actively aware of it, when you are with and around others... More humility, and being humble in oneself, and less pride, ego, arrogance, and judgmentalism and criticism and condemning others to get on a high or make yourself feel higher or better about being you, so on and so forth...

Really sick of it...

God Bless!
 
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And what sins, or what kind of disobedience are we talking about here...?

See, cause much of the time, I think we have the wrong focus, or our poles are reversed, were not looking at the heart, or purity of heart, were looking at the outside of the cup instead of the inside of it, in ourselves, and in and with others...

The superficial gets magnified, while the important gets overlooked, and brushed aside, and all to often, just flat out ignored... And this is, in part, due to the superficial being magnified also...

God Bless!
 
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Looking at your signature picture, obviously Ligon did not get the gist of the quote 'Preach the Gospel daily, use words if necessary.'
Hi Gordon, I think he actually did :)

The very same point that Ligon made, as well some other points and interesting bits of information are made by these folks in this short article, if you'd care to read it.

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Albert Chevallier Tayler, "St Francis" (1898)
What St. Francis of Assisi Didn’t Actually Say
Glenn Stanton

Last Sunday, our faithful deacon in the midst of his excellent homily used a quote that most of us have heard, perhaps many times.

Preach the Gospel at all times. Use words if necessary.”​

It is always attributed to St. Francis of Assisi—founder of the Franciscan Order—and is intended to say that proclaiming the Gospel by example is more virtuous than actually proclaiming it with voice. It is a quote that has often rankled me because it seems to create a useless dichotomy between speech and action. Besides, the spirit behind it can be a little arrogant—which I’m sure our deacon didn’t intend—intimating that those who "practice the Gospel" are in reality more faithful to the faith than those who preach it.

But here's the fact: Our good Francis never said it or anything close.

None of his disciples or biographers have these very quotable words coming from his mouth. It doesn't show up in any of his writings. Not even close, really. The closest comes from his Rule of 1221 on how the Franciscans should practice their preaching:

No brother should preach contrary to the form and regulations of the holy Church nor unless he has been permitted by his minister . . . All the Friars . . . should preach by their deeds.

Essentially, make sure your deeds match your words. While there's a nice and good sentiment in the statement—be sure you live out the grace and truth of the Gospel—the notion as it is typically presented is neither practical, nor faithful to the Gospel of Christ. It does not align with St. Francis' own practice.

His first biographer, Thomas of Celano, writing just three years after Francis' death, quotes him instructing his co-workers in the Gospel thusly:

The preacher must first draw from secret prayers what he will later pour out in holy sermons; he must first grow hot within before he speaks words that are in themselves cold.​

Our man clearly spent a great deal of time using his words when he preached, “sometimes preaching in up to five villages a day, often outdoors. In the country, Francis often spoke from a bale of straw or a granary doorway. In town, he would climb on a box or up steps in a public building. He preached to . . . any who gathered to hear the strange but fiery little preacher from Assisi.” He was sometimes so animated and passionate in his delivery that “his feet moved as if he were dancing.”

We must know that it's simply impossible to proclaim the Gospel without words and of course our good Francis knew this as well as any. The Gospel is inherently verbal, and preaching the Gospel is inherently verbal behavior.

If you'd like to read the rest of this article, go here: What St. Francis of Assisi Didn’t Actually Say
 
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