Is a 3rd future Temple needed to fulfill Bible prophecy?

Is a future Temple in Jerusalem needed to fulfill Bible prophecy?


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Hi Marilyn -

Could you please share your source of these ideas?

Thank you,
MK

Hi MK,

Thank you for your friendly reply and interest. Nere is what I said and now I will post the scriptures.

God has purposed that there would be rulership in all areas of His great kingdom, and ALL under Christ, who Himself in under God the Father.

The different realms with their rulership under Christ, are -

1. The third heaven - the Body of Christ. (Rev. 3: 21 & other scriptures)
2. The Universe - The OT saints in the New Jerusalem. (Heb. 11 esp, v. 16)
3. The Earth - Israel over the nations. (Rev. 21: 24 & other scriptures)

regards, Marilyn.
 
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Hi keras,

That is a rude personal comment, and as such if we can`t discuss `the truth in love,` (Eph. 4: 15) then it is not edifying to the readers or ourselves.

Marilyn.
Dear Sister in Christ, I am sorry to cause any upset. My sole aim here, is for people to know what the Prophetic Word really does say what God has planned for His people in these last days.
It is prophesied in many scriptures, how the Lord will judge the nations with a terrible blast of fire from the sun. This will change everything and set the stage for all what is prophesied to happen until Jesus Returns to reign for the last 1000 years of God's decreed time for mankind.
Nowhere is it said that we living Christians will leave this earth, at any time for any reason. Only those killed for their faith, including the 2 Witnesses, will have their souls kept under the heavenly Altar. They will all be brought back to life as per Revelation 20:4.
None of the verses you give in #542 say what you interpret them to say.
 
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Dear Sister in Christ, I am sorry to cause any upset. My sole aim here, is for people to know what the Prophetic Word really does say what God has planned for His people in these last days.
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Hi keras,

So good to hear you say that. I see you are very sincere in what you believe and I am also. So we both have written much, so maybe we can now leave it all with the Lord -

`Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that even this to you.` (Phil. 3: 15)

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God has purposed that there would be rulership in all areas of His great kingdom, and ALL under Christ, who Himself is under God the Father.
Hi Marilyn -

To begin with - you're separating the Trinity. That doesn't abide by basic Christianity tenets. The Father & Son are one.
 
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Hi MK,

Thank you for your friendly reply and interest. Nere is what I said and now I will post the scriptures.

God has purposed that there would be rulership in all areas of His great kingdom, and ALL under Christ, who Himself in under God the Father.

The different realms with their rulership under Christ, are -

1. The third heaven - the Body of Christ. (Rev. 3: 21 & other scriptures)
2. The Universe - The OT saints in the New Jerusalem. (Heb. 11 esp, v. 16)
3. The Earth - Israel over the nations. (Rev. 21: 24 & other scriptures)

regards, Marilyn.
That's not what those passages speak of. Is that all you have for support of your assertion?
 
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Hi Marilyn -

To begin with - you're separating the Trinity. That doesn't abide by basic Christianity tenets. The Father & Son are one.

Hi mkgal,

The Father and the Son and Holy Spirit are one - equal, in unity and of one mind. When they operate the source is at the Godhead, the Father initiates, the Son administers and the Holy Spirit is the direct energising agency.

Remember when Christ has put down all rule and authority -

`Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the on Himself will also be subject to Him who puts all things under Him, that God may be all in all.` (1 Cor. 15: 28)

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Hi mkgal,

The Father and the Son and Holy Spirit are one - equal, in unity and of one mind. When they operate the source is at the Godhead, the Father initiates, the Son administers and the Holy Spirit is the direct energising agency.

Remember when Christ has put down all rule and authority -

`Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the on Himself will also be subject to Him who puts all things under Him, that God may be all in all.` (1 Cor. 15: 28)

Marilyn.
Hi Marilyn -

This is a whole separate topic, and I don't wish to derail the thread....so I'll leave it at the point that when it's said that "that God may be all in all" that's the complete Triune God. We can chat more about that in another thread, if you like. Let me know.

MK
 
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The Temple is plainly an actual building for the worship of God, built before Jesus Returns.

What new testament scripture teaches us to interpret the old testament where Christians will build a future physical brick and mortar temple?

The New Jerusalem is a city, which comes to the earth after the Millennium.

Keras, if we use scripture to interpret scripture, we can see that the New Jerusalem is the Ezekiel Temple/City:

1.)BOTH the New Jerusalem and the Ezekiel temple have a river flowing from it that bears fruit each month for healing.


revelation 22:1-2 Then the angel showed me a river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the main street of the city. On either side of the river stood a tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit and yielding a fresh crop for each month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

Ezekiel 47:1 Then the man brought me back to the entrance of the temple, and I saw water flowing from under the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was coming down from under the south side of the temple, south of the altar.

Ezekiel 47:12 Along both banks of the river, fruit trees of all kinds will grow. Their leaves will not wither, and their fruit will not fail. Each month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will be used for food and their leaves for healing.

2.) BOTH the New Jerusalem and the City in Ezekiel have 12 gates with 12 tribes of Israel inscribed on them
Revelation 21:12 The city had a great and high wall with twelve gates inscribed with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel

Ezekiel 38:30-34 Beginning on the north side, which measures 4,500 cubits long, the gates of the city will be named after the tribes of Israel. On the north side there will be three gates: the gate of Reuben, the gate of Judah, and the gate of Levi. On the east side, which will be 4,500 cubits long, there will be three gates: the gate of Joseph, the gate of Benjamin, and the gate of Dan. On the south side, which will be 4,500 cubits long, there will be three gates: the gate of Simeon, the gate of Issachar, and the gate of Zebulun. And on the west side, which will be 4,500 cubits long, there will be three gates: the gate of Gad, the gate of Asher, and the gate of Naphtali.


3.) BOTH the New Jerusalem and the Ezekiel temple are where God dwells.
Revelation 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will live with them.

Ezekiel 43:7 7and He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place for the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the Israelites forever

The Temple may still be here after the Millennium, but it will be superseded by the holy City

Incorrect, there is no physical brick and mortar temple in the new Jerusalem

Revelation 21:22 But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

They are two different things at different times and cannot be the same.

your opinion is not backed by scripture. So you are going to have to explain:

1.) Why, that even though BOTH the Ezekiel temple/city and the New Jerusalem have a river running from the throne of God AND have trees that produce crop each month with leaves for healing, they are not the same.

2.) Why, that even though BOTH the Ezekiel city and New Jerusalem have 12 gates (3 on each side) with the names of the 12 tribes of Israel, they are not the same

3.) Why, that even though BOTH the Ezekiel temple/city and the New Jerusalem are where God dwells with his people forever, they are not the same.

How do you know what God requires?

By simply reading the Bible.

God took away the old covenant through Christ. Under the new covenant sacrifices are not desired or needed, for Christ sanctified us ONCE FOR ALL.

Hebrews 10:3-10 Instead, those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and of goats to take away sins. Therefore, when Christ came into the world, He said: “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but a body You prepared for me. In burnt offerings and sin offerings You took no delight. Then I said, ‘Here I am, it is written about Me in the scroll:
I have come to do Your will, O God.’”a In the passage above He says, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not desire, nor did You delight in them” (although they are offered according to the law). Then He adds, “Here I am, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first to establish the second. And by that will, we have been sanctified through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

True worshippers, because of Christ, must worship God in spirit and in truth. We do not worship God through the old covenant laws, regulations, ordinances, sacrifices, and washings, because they have been done away with.

John 4:21-24 Believe Me, woman,” Jesus replied, “a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”


The old covenant law was only imposed until the time of Christ and the sending Holy Spirit.

Hebrews 9:9-10 According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.

There are prophesies that tell of offerings and sin sacrifices made in the new Temple;

Correct. There are.

It's important to understand the immediate context of the passage and the ultimate purpose of the sacrifices in order to appropriately interpret scripture.

Sacrifices were required by God as part of the old covenant. What was the purpose of the sacrifices? TO POINT TO CHRIST. The sacrifices are NOT THE TRUE REALITIES.

Hebrews 10:1 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities.


Many foreigners did join themselves with Israel. During the time of Christ, the temple had a court for the gentiles and their sacrifices were accepted.
Isaiah 56:6-7 And the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord, to minister to him, to love the name of the Lord, and to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath and does not profane it,
and holds fast my covenant—these I will bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar;
for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.”

During the time of Jesus, the temple was to be a house of prayer for all nations.
Mark 11:17 and he was teaching them and saying to them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations’?

***This was prior to the cross, when the old covenant still existed between God and man. This would be called the type (immediate context).

The antitype (ultimate fulfillment in Christ) is found in the body of Christ, where gentiles (foreigners) are now one with the people of God. This new creation:

1.) is the temple

2 Corinthians 6:16 For we are the temple of the living God

2.) worships God in spirit and truth through spiritual sacrifices

Romans 12:1 Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

1 Peter 2:5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

3.) now comes to the mount zion, the city of God, the heavenly Jersualem

Hebrews 12:22 Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem.


The Ezekiel temple was never built under the old covenant. The only reason to read it literally (according to flesh), would be if the old covenant still existed.

Ezekiel 45:20 You must do the same thing on the seventh day of the month for anyone who sins unintentionally or in ignorance. In this way you will make atonement for the temple.

However, The old covenant was made obsolete by Christ and was ready to vanish away during the first century

Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Because the old covenant (type) no longer exists, we should read Ezekiel 40-48 with an unveiled mind in the context of the new covenant (antitype). If you have an understanding that the law was a shadow of Christ, not the reality, then you can apply this same unveiled understanding to the Ezekiel temple under the new covenant.

Just as the sacrifices of the law pointed to Christ, so to do the sacrifices in the Ezekiel temple.


Jeremiah 33:18 For this is what the LORD says: nor will the priests who are Levites ever fail to have a man before Me to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to present sacrifices.”

This prophecy is fulfilled in Christ.

Immediate context under the old covenant (type). God states the Levites will never fail to have A MAN before God offering sacrifices.

Now the type was "set aside by God", but ultimately fulfilled in Christ (antitype), as He became that MAN on behalf of the levites to stand before the Lord.


God changed the law because Christ is not a descendent from Levi
Hebrews 7:11-12 Now if perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on this basis the people received the law), why was there still need for another priest to appear—one in the order of Melchizedek and not in the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed as well.

God set aside the former commandment of using levites as priests because it could not make anything perfect.
Hebrews 7:18-19 So the former commandment is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

And Jesus became an eternal high priest for us
Hebrews 7:21 but Jesus became a priest with an oath by the One who said to Him: “The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind: ‘You are a priest forever.’”b

Now, do the Levites lack a man before God as a high priest? No, they don't and they never will because of Christ. Do we lack a man to stand before God? No, we don't and never will because of Christ.

Christ offered the ultimate sacrifice before the Lord.

Hebrews 7:27 Unlike the other high priests, He does not need to offer daily sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people; He sacrificed for sin once for all when He offered up Himself.


Zechariah 14:21 Indeed, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the LORD of Hosts, and all who sacrifice will come and take some pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of Hosts.

Again, interpreting scripture requires knowledge of the type (immediate context) and antitype (ultimate fulfillment in Christ).

Zechariah wrote under the old covenant (type). However, its true understanding (antitype) comes from the new covenant.

Using scripture to interpret scripture, we can see that from zechariah verse 8 and onward, the Jerusalem is in regards to the New Jerusalem because:

1.) BOTH the Jerusalem from Zechariah 14 and the New Jerusalem have no more curse

Zechariah 14:11 (septuagint) they shall dwell in the city; and there shall be no more any curse, and Jerusalem shall dwell securely

Revelation 22:3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be within the city, and His servants will worship Him.

2.) BOTH the Jerusalem from Zechariah 14 and the New Jerusalem have living water flowing from them.

Zechariah 14:8 And on that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem.

revelation 22:1-2 Then the angel showed me a river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the main street of the city.

Thus, the sacrifices in Zechariah 14:21 should not be taken as the reality, because it is the shadow (Hebrews 10:1), but only the type (immediate context under the old covenant).

If the sacrifices (shadow) are to be taken as the true reality, then we should have new testament scripture that mention the church performing animal sacrifices again. However, we don't.

There is no new testament scripture that states the church will again perform the rituals, sacrifices, regulations, etc...in a temple building.
 
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I was referring to the temple on earth.

Do you believe the New Jerusalem will be in heaven or on earth?

As to Ezekiel`s temple being a foretaste of the New Jerusalem, we see that the glory of the Lord in Ezekiel`s temple is only on the mountaintop in Israel. In the New Jerusalem the glory of the Lord shines forth over all the earth as a light to them.

Using scripture to interpret scripture, we can see that the Ezekiel temple/city is the New jersualem

1.) BOTH have a river flowing from them with trees that produce fruit each month and leaves for healing
2.) BOTH have 12 gates with the names of the 12 tribes of Israel on them
3.) BOTH are where God dwells with his people forever.


***How can the Ezekiel temple only be a 'foretaste' if it is where God dwells with his people forever? Forever, is much greater than a foretaste.

Ezekiel 43:6-7 While the man was standing beside me, I heard one speaking to me out of the temple, 7and he said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the people of Israel forever.

Also in Ezekiel`s description we see that the river under the temple flows out and waters the land. Trees with different fruit grow for people to eat, and the waters bring healing where ever they flow.

The river flows from the Ezekiel temple, WHICH IS THE THRONE OF GOD

Ezekiel 47:1 Then he brought me back to the door of the temple, and behold, water was issuing from below the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east).

Ezekiel 43:6 While the man was standing beside me, I heard one speaking to me out of the temple, 7and he said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the people of Israel forever.

the river flows from THE THRONE OF GOD in New Jerusalem.
Revelation 22:1 Then the angela showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb

***More evidence that the new Jerusalem is the Ezekiel temple/city
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BOTH the Ezekiel temple/city and the new Jerusalem have fruit being produced each month

Ezekiel 47:12 Their leaves will not wither, nor their fruit fail, but they will bear fresh fruit every month,

Revelation 22:2 with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month.

***More evidence that the new Jerusalem is the Ezekiel temple/city

___________________________________________________________________

BOTH the Ezekiel temple/city and new Jerusalem have leaves that heal
Ezekiel 47:12 and their leaves for healing

Revelation 22:2 The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

***More evidence that the new Jerusalem is the Ezekiel temple/city

This water flows out when the Lord`s feet touches the Mount of Olives. (Zech. 14: 4 - 8)

Using scripture to interpret scripture, we can see that from zechariah verse 8 and onward, the Jerusalem is in regards to the New Jerusalem because:

1.) BOTH the Jerusalem from
Zechariah 14 and the New Jerusalem have no more curse

Zechariah 14:11 (septuagint) they shall dwell in the city; and there shall be no more any curse, and Jerusalem shall dwell securely

Revelation 22:3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be within the city, and His servants will worship Him.

2.) BOTH the Jerusalem from Zechariah 14 and the New Jerusalem have living water flowing from them.

Zechariah 14:8 And on that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem.

revelation 22:1-2 Then the angel showed me a river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the main street of the city.

Lots to show a foretaste. Marilyn.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it's a duck, not a foretaste of a duck.
 
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What new testament scripture teaches us to interpret the old testament where Christians will build a future physical brick and mortar temple?



Keras, if we use scripture to interpret scripture, we can see that the New Jerusalem is the Ezekiel Temple/City:

1.)BOTH the New Jerusalem and the Ezekiel temple have a river flowing from it that bears fruit each month for healing.


revelation 22:1-2 Then the angel showed me a river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the main street of the city. On either side of the river stood a tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit and yielding a fresh crop for each month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

Ezekiel 47:1 Then the man brought me back to the entrance of the temple, and I saw water flowing from under the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was coming down from under the south side of the temple, south of the altar.

Ezekiel 47:12 Along both banks of the river, fruit trees of all kinds will grow. Their leaves will not wither, and their fruit will not fail. Each month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will be used for food and their leaves for healing.

2.) BOTH the New Jerusalem and the City in Ezekiel have 12 gates with 12 tribes of Israel inscribed on them
Revelation 21:12 The city had a great and high wall with twelve gates inscribed with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel

Ezekiel 38:30-34 Beginning on the north side, which measures 4,500 cubits long, the gates of the city will be named after the tribes of Israel. On the north side there will be three gates: the gate of Reuben, the gate of Judah, and the gate of Levi. On the east side, which will be 4,500 cubits long, there will be three gates: the gate of Joseph, the gate of Benjamin, and the gate of Dan. On the south side, which will be 4,500 cubits long, there will be three gates: the gate of Simeon, the gate of Issachar, and the gate of Zebulun. And on the west side, which will be 4,500 cubits long, there will be three gates: the gate of Gad, the gate of Asher, and the gate of Naphtali.


3.) BOTH the New Jerusalem and the Ezekiel temple are where God dwells.
Revelation 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will live with them.

Ezekiel 43:7 7and He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place for the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the Israelites forever



Incorrect, there is no physical brick and mortar temple in the new Jerusalem

Revelation 21:22 But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.



your opinion is not backed by scripture. So you are going to have to explain:

1.) Why, that even though BOTH the Ezekiel temple/city and the New Jerusalem have a river running from the throne of God AND have trees that produce crop each month with leaves for healing, they are not the same.

2.) Why, that even though BOTH the Ezekiel city and New Jerusalem have 12 gates (3 on each side) with the names of the 12 tribes of Israel, they are not the same

3.) Why, that even though BOTH the Ezekiel temple/city and the New Jerusalem are where God dwells with his people forever, they are not the same.



By simply reading the Bible.

God took away the old covenant through Christ. Under the new covenant sacrifices are not desired or needed, for Christ sanctified us ONCE FOR ALL.

Hebrews 10:3-10 Instead, those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and of goats to take away sins. Therefore, when Christ came into the world, He said: “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but a body You prepared for me. In burnt offerings and sin offerings You took no delight. Then I said, ‘Here I am, it is written about Me in the scroll:
I have come to do Your will, O God.’”a In the passage above He says, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not desire, nor did You delight in them” (although they are offered according to the law). Then He adds, “Here I am, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first to establish the second. And by that will, we have been sanctified through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

True worshippers, because of Christ, must worship God in spirit and in truth. We do not worship God through the old covenant laws, regulations, ordinances, sacrifices, and washings, because they have been done away with.

John 4:21-24 Believe Me, woman,” Jesus replied, “a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”


The old covenant law was only imposed until the time of Christ and the sending Holy Spirit.

Hebrews 9:9-10 According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.



Correct. There are.

It's important to understand the immediate context of the passage and the ultimate purpose of the sacrifices in order to appropriately interpret scripture.

Sacrifices were required by God as part of the old covenant. What was the purpose of the sacrifices? TO POINT TO CHRIST. The sacrifices are NOT THE TRUE REALITIES.

Hebrews 10:1 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities.



Many foreigners did join themselves with Israel. During the time of Christ, the temple had a court for the gentiles and their sacrifices were accepted.
Isaiah 56:6-7 And the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord, to minister to him, to love the name of the Lord, and to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath and does not profane it,
and holds fast my covenant—these I will bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar;
for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.”

During the time of Jesus, the temple was to be a house of prayer for all nations.
Mark 11:17 and he was teaching them and saying to them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations’?

***This was prior to the cross, when the old covenant still existed between God and man. This would be called the type (immediate context).

The antitype (ultimate fulfillment in Christ) is found in the body of Christ, where gentiles (foreigners) are now one with the people of God. This new creation:

1.) is the temple

2 Corinthians 6:16 For we are the temple of the living God

2.) worships God in spirit and truth through spiritual sacrifices

Romans 12:1 Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

1 Peter 2:5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

3.) now comes to the mount zion, the city of God, the heavenly Jersualem

Hebrews 12:22 Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem.



The Ezekiel temple was never built under the old covenant. The only reason to read it literally (according to flesh), would be if the old covenant still existed.

Ezekiel 45:20 You must do the same thing on the seventh day of the month for anyone who sins unintentionally or in ignorance. In this way you will make atonement for the temple.

However, The old covenant was made obsolete by Christ and was ready to vanish away during the first century

Hebrews 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Because the old covenant (type) no longer exists, we should read Ezekiel 40-48 with an unveiled mind in the context of the new covenant (antitype). If you have an understanding that the law was a shadow of Christ, not the reality, then you can apply this same unveiled understanding to the Ezekiel temple under the new covenant.

Just as the sacrifices of the law pointed to Christ, so to do the sacrifices in the Ezekiel temple.



Jeremiah 33:18 For this is what the LORD says: nor will the priests who are Levites ever fail to have a man before Me to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to present sacrifices.”

This prophecy is fulfilled in Christ.

Immediate context under the old covenant (type). God states the Levites will never fail to have A MAN before God offering sacrifices.

Now the type was "set aside by God", but ultimately fulfilled in Christ (antitype), as He became that MAN on behalf of the levites to stand before the Lord.


God changed the law because Christ is not a descendent from Levi
Hebrews 7:11-12 Now if perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on this basis the people received the law), why was there still need for another priest to appear—one in the order of Melchizedek and not in the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed as well.

God set aside the former commandment of using levites as priests because it could not make anything perfect.
Hebrews 7:18-19 So the former commandment is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

And Jesus became an eternal high priest for us
Hebrews 7:21 but Jesus became a priest with an oath by the One who said to Him: “The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind: ‘You are a priest forever.’”b

Now, do the Levites lack a man before God as a high priest? No, they don't and they never will because of Christ. Do we lack a man to stand before God? No, we don't and never will because of Christ.

Christ offered the ultimate sacrifice before the Lord.

Hebrews 7:27 Unlike the other high priests, He does not need to offer daily sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people; He sacrificed for sin once for all when He offered up Himself.



Zechariah 14:21 Indeed, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the LORD of Hosts, and all who sacrifice will come and take some pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of Hosts.

Again, interpreting scripture requires knowledge of the type (immediate context) and antitype (ultimate fulfillment in Christ).

Zechariah wrote under the old covenant (type). However, its true understanding (antitype) comes from the new covenant.

Using scripture to interpret scripture, we can see that from zechariah verse 8 and onward, the Jerusalem is in regards to the New Jerusalem because:

1.) BOTH the Jerusalem from Zechariah 14 and the New Jerusalem have no more curse

Zechariah 14:11 (septuagint) they shall dwell in the city; and there shall be no more any curse, and Jerusalem shall dwell securely

Revelation 22:3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be within the city, and His servants will worship Him.

2.) BOTH the Jerusalem from Zechariah 14 and the New Jerusalem have living water flowing from them.

Zechariah 14:8 And on that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem.

revelation 22:1-2 Then the angel showed me a river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the main street of the city.

Thus, the sacrifices in Zechariah 14:21 should not be taken as the reality, because it is the shadow (Hebrews 10:1), but only the type (immediate context under the old covenant).

If the sacrifices (shadow) are to be taken as the true reality, then we should have new testament scripture that mention the church performing animal sacrifices again. However, we don't.

There is no new testament scripture that states the church will again perform the rituals, sacrifices, regulations, etc...in a temple building.

WOW.
Well, we may as well close up the CF eschatology board after that, and just post this post as the Sticky in its place.
Bravo.
 
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Do you believe the New Jerusalem will be in heaven or on earth?



Using scripture to interpret scripture, we can see that the Ezekiel temple/city is the New jersualem

1.) BOTH have a river flowing from them with trees that produce fruit each month and leaves for healing
2.) BOTH have 12 gates with the names of the 12 tribes of Israel on them
3.) BOTH are where God dwells with his people forever.


***How can the Ezekiel temple only be a 'foretaste' if it is where God dwells with his people forever? Forever, is much greater than a foretaste.

Ezekiel 43:6-7 While the man was standing beside me, I heard one speaking to me out of the temple, 7and he said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the people of Israel forever.



The river flows from the Ezekiel temple, WHICH IS THE THRONE OF GOD

Ezekiel 47:1 Then he brought me back to the door of the temple, and behold, water was issuing from below the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east).

Ezekiel 43:6 While the man was standing beside me, I heard one speaking to me out of the temple, 7and he said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the people of Israel forever.

the river flows from THE THRONE OF GOD in New Jerusalem.
Revelation 22:1 Then the angela showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb

***More evidence that the new Jerusalem is the Ezekiel temple/city
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BOTH the Ezekiel temple/city and the new Jerusalem have fruit being produced each month

Ezekiel 47:12 Their leaves will not wither, nor their fruit fail, but they will bear fresh fruit every month,

Revelation 22:2 with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month.

***More evidence that the new Jerusalem is the Ezekiel temple/city

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BOTH the Ezekiel temple/city and new Jerusalem have leaves that heal
Ezekiel 47:12 and their leaves for healing

Revelation 22:2 The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

***More evidence that the new Jerusalem is the Ezekiel temple/city



Using scripture to interpret scripture, we can see that from zechariah verse 8 and onward, the Jerusalem is in regards to the New Jerusalem because:

1.) BOTH the Jerusalem from
Zechariah 14 and the New Jerusalem have no more curse

Zechariah 14:11 (septuagint) they shall dwell in the city; and there shall be no more any curse, and Jerusalem shall dwell securely

Revelation 22:3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be within the city, and His servants will worship Him.

2.) BOTH the Jerusalem from Zechariah 14 and the New Jerusalem have living water flowing from them.

Zechariah 14:8 And on that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem.

revelation 22:1-2 Then the angel showed me a river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the main street of the city.



If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it's a duck, not a foretaste of a duck.

Hi claninja,

Quack, quack, quack, (lol)

All jokes aside, I believe that the New Jerusalem will come down out of heaven from God to near the earth where it will be a light to the earth. As the earth revolves then the earth will have its light. (Rev. 21: 2 & 23)

There is water from God`s throne on earth in Israel in the millennium, (Ezekiel`s temple) whereas there `water` from God`s throne in the New Jerusalem is symbolic of the life giving power of the Holy Spirit.

Marilyn.
 
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Hi claninja,

Quack, quack, quack, (lol)

All jokes aside, I believe that the New Jerusalem will come down out of heaven from God to near the earth where it will be a light to the earth. As the earth revolves then the earth will have its light. (Rev. 21: 2 & 23)

There is water from God`s throne on earth in Israel in the millennium, (Ezekiel`s temple) whereas there `water` from God`s throne in the New Jerusalem is symbolic of the life giving power of the Holy Spirit.

Marilyn.
Hi Marilyn :wave:

Do you notice how Claninja gives an excellent explanation of where he arrives at his conclusions using Scripture to interpret other Scripture? Could you please offer us the same thing? Otherwise, it just seems like your own narrative that you've come up with that you're imposing onto biblical text (but I'm not certain WHAT text you're referring to).

Appreciatively,

MK
 
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Hi Marilyn :wave:

Do you notice how Claninja gives an excellent explanation of where he arrives at his conclusions using Scripture to interpret other Scripture? Could you please offer us the same thing? Otherwise, it just seems like your own narrative that you've come up with that you're imposing onto biblical text (but I'm not certain WHAT text you're referring to).

Appreciatively,

MK

Hi MK & Claninja,

Yes there are similarities between Ezekiel`s Temple and the New Jerusalem, however there are some great differences also. Let`s look at some -

THE RIVER.

Ezekiel`s Temple `the water was flowing from under the right side of the temple, south of the altar...This water...enters the sea...` (Ez. 47: 1 & 8)
This is water of the earth that flows out into the rivers and the sea. (Ez. 47: 8 & 9)

New Jerusalem `..a pure river of the water of life, `clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb.` (Rev. 22: 1)
The `water of life` is the Holy Spirit. `(John 4: 14 & 7: 37 - 39)

FRUIT

Ezekiel`s Temple `…all kinds of trees used for food….They will bear fruit every month, because the water flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food.` (Ez. 47: 12)
This fruit is to be eaten `for food.` Food goes through and is eliminated.

New Jerusalem `the tree of life, which bore 12 fruits, each yielding its fruit every month.` (Rev. 22: 2)
This `fruit` is of the Lord`s spirit - `the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness & faithfulness.` (Gal. 5: 22 & 23) This `fruit` of the Spirit is what `feeds` the spirit and makes the community of the Lord.

LEAVES

Ezekiel`s Temple `…and their leaves for medicine.` (Ez. 47: 12)
People in Ezekiel`s Temple and surrounds needed medicine when they were sick.

New Jerusalem `And the leaves of the tree were for the health of the nations.` (Rev. 22: 2)
People in the New Jerusalem do not get sick, for - `there will be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying; and there will be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.` (Rev. 22:4)


RULERSHIP

Ezekiel`s Temple `If the Prince gives a gift of some of his inheritance to any of his sons…` (Ez. 46: 16)
The Ruler is a Prince, a man called, king David - `They shall serve the Lord their God and David their king whom I will raise up for them.` (Jer. 30: 9)

New Jerusalem `Now the wall of the city had 12 foundations, and on them were the names of the 12 apostles of the Lamb.` (Rev. 21: 14)
The 12 Apostles were told by the Lord that they would rule over the 12 tribes of Israel. (Matt. 19: 28)



Zechariah 14 - Water shall flow from Jerusalem for the sea and rivers have been polluted in the tribulation.

`This water flows towards the eastern region, goes down into the valley and enters the sea. When it reaches the sea, its water are healed…..but its swamps and marshes will not be healed; they will be given over to salt.` (Ez. 47: 8 & 11)

Those are some of the differences that reveal that Ezekiel`s Temple is in the millennium, where there is still sickness and need of healing. While the New Jerusalem is when the former things have passed away.

regards, Marilyn.
 
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Yes there are similarities between Ezekiel`s Temple and the New Jerusalem, however there are some great differences also. Let`s look at some -

THE RIVER.

Ezekiel`s Temple `the water was flowing from under the right side of the temple, south of the altar...This water...enters the sea...` (Ez. 47: 1 & 8)
This is water of the earth that flows out into the rivers and the sea. (Ez. 47: 8 & 9)

New Jerusalem `..a pure river of the water of life, `clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb.` (Rev. 22: 1)
The `water of life` is the Holy Spirit. `(John 4: 14 & 7: 37 - 39)

The river in revelation flows from the throne of God. Its direction is not given. The river in Ezekiel flows from the temple and goes east. It is revealed in Ezekiel 43 that the temple is the throne of God.

***Thus, the source of where the river flows from is the same between the Ezekiel temple and the New Jerusalem: the throne of God.


Revelation 22:1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb

Ezekiel 47:1 Then he brought me back to the door of the temple, and behold, water was issuing from below the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was flowing down from below the south end of the threshold of the temple, south of the altar.

Ezekiel 43:6-7 While the man was standing beside me, I heard one speaking to me out of the temple, and he said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the people of Israel forever

Ezekiel also states that where ever this river flows, it brings life. Thus I would argue that that the waters that flow from the Ezekiel temple (throne of God) are living waters. EVERYTHING, not just fish, shall live that the river comes to. That's not living waters?

Ezekiel 47:9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live; and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.


FRUIT

Ezekiel`s Temple `…all kinds of trees used for food….They will bear fruit every month, because the water flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food.` (Ez. 47: 12)
This fruit is to be eaten `for food.` Food goes through and is eliminated.

New Jerusalem `the tree of life, which bore 12 fruits, each yielding its fruit every month.` (Rev. 22: 2)
This `fruit` is of the Lord`s spirit - `the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness & faithfulness.` (Gal. 5: 22 & 23) This `fruit` of the Spirit is what `feeds` the spirit and makes the community of the Lord.

The purpose of the fruit in revelation is not given. The purpose of the fruit is given in Ezekiel: for food.

***So I'm not sure how you can say there is a difference in purpose for the fruit between Ezekiel and revelation, when the purpose for the fruit in revelation is not given.

Would you say, within the context of the New Jerusalem vision, the fruit is for eating? I absolutely agree with your spiritual interpretation of the fruit, but within the context of the vision, is fruit for eating?


Revelation 22:2 through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Ezekiel 47:12 And on the banks, on both sides of the river, there will grow all trees for food. Their leaves will not wither, nor their fruit fail, but they will bear fresh fruit every month, because the water for them flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for healing.”

Also, the tree in revelation produces 12 fruits, ACCORDING TO THE MONTH. The ancient Hebrews calendar had 12 months (with the exception of a leap month 7 times in a 19 year cycle). The trees in Ezekiel also produce fruit every month.
Revelation 22:2 through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life producing fruits twelve according to the month, each yielding the fruit of it.

Ezekiel 47:12 And on the banks, on both sides of the river, there will grow all kinds of trees for food. Their leaves will not wither, nor their fruit fail, but they will bear fresh fruit every month, because the water for them flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for healing.

Additionally, I'm curious why you spiritualize the meaning of the fruit in the New Jerusalem but literalize the fruit in Ezekiel?


LEAVES


Ezekiel`s Temple `…and their leaves for medicine.` (Ez. 47: 12)
People in Ezekiel`s Temple and surrounds needed medicine when they were sick.

New Jerusalem `And the leaves of the tree were for the health of the nations.` (Rev. 22: 2)
People in the New Jerusalem do not get sick, for - `there will be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying; and there will be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.` (Rev. 22:4)


Not following you here. What's the difference? Does revelation say the leaves are for healing those inside of the New Jerusalem where there is no more death, sorrow, sickness, or for those outside of the new Jerusalem?

Ezekiel 47:12 And on the banks, on both sides of the river, there will grow all kinds of trees for food. Their leaves will not wither, nor their fruit fail, but they will bear fresh fruit every month, because the water for them flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for healing.”

Revelation 22:2through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations

RULERSHIP

Ezekiel`s Temple `If the Prince gives a gift of some of his inheritance to any of his sons…` (Ez. 46: 16)
The Ruler is a Prince, a man called, king David - `They shall serve the Lord their God and David their king whom I will raise up for them.` (Jer. 30: 9)

The Ezekiel temple, with all of its rules and regulation, was to be carried out under the OLD COVENANT IF Israel was ashamed by their sin. This would include all the sacrificial rules and rules for the prince. This is known as the type (the immediate context) under the old covenant.


AND if the old covenant still existed and could take away our sin, then I would agree with your literal interpretation of the Ezekiel temple

Ezekiel 43:11 and if they are ashamed of all they have done, then make known to them the design of the temple—its arrangement and its exits and entrances—its whole design along with all its statutes, forms, and laws. Write it down in their sight, so that they may observe its complete design and all its statutes, and may carry them out.

HOWEVER, the old covenant was made obsolete by Christ. Why?........
Hebrews 8:13 By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

.....Because the law could make nothing perfect.
Hebrews 7:18-19 the former commandment is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Nor are the laws the reality. They were merely a shadow of Christ.
Hebrews 10:1 For the law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves.

And the physical brick and mortar Ezekiel temple (type) was NEVER built under the old covenant, nor can it be because the old covenant no longer exists. We are now under the new covenant. We are the temple, we offer our bodies as spiritual sacrifices, Christ is our king/high priest.

You interpreted the fruit in the New Jerusalem as spiritual (fruits of the Holy spirit) and not as literal fruit, so why do you interpret the Ezekiel temple, with all of its sacrifices, laws, regulations, as literal considering the old covenant is gone?

I would argue this passage is about Jesus.

Jeremiah 30:9 Instead, they will serve the LORD their God and David their king,
whom I will raise up for them.

New Jerusalem `Now the wall of the city had 12 foundations, and on them were the names of the 12 apostles of the Lamb.` (Rev. 21: 14)
The 12 Apostles were told by the Lord that they would rule over the 12 tribes of Israel. (Matt. 19: 28)

The temple of Lord built on the foundations of the apostles existed in the first century.
ephesians 2:19-22 Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens of the saints and members of God’s household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone. In Him the whole building is fitted together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord. And in Him you too are being built together into a dwelling place for God in His Spirit.

This interpretation depends on when you believe the "regeneration" is and when you believe the son of man sat on his throne.
Matthew 19:28 Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

The greek word for regeneration is found only in 1 other verse. Here it is used with the work of the Holy Spirit. Thus I would argue the "regeneration" is the time from when the Holy Spirit came and onward.
Titus 3:5 saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and regeneration by the Holy Spirit.

I would argue Christ sat upon the throne at his resurrection and ascension, as Peter specifically states David prophesied about the resurrection when he knew God would set one his descendants on throne.
Acts 2:30-31 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that He would place one of his descendants on his throne. Foreseeing this, David spoke about the resurrection of the Christ.

During this time, When Christ ascended to the throne and sent the Holy Spirit, the disciples were given authority by Christ to do even greater things than he did and to forgive sins. With this authority they judged Israel

John 20:23 Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you.” When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you withhold forgiveness from anyone, it is withheld.”

John 14:12 Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

Acts 2:36-37 Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!” When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and asked Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

While the New Jerusalem is when the former things have passed away.

Only for those INSIDE the new Jerusalem, right? because there still appears to be sin and healing OUTSIDE of the new Jerusalem

Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are those who wash their robes,a so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by its gates. But outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
 
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Revelation 22:3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be within the city, and His servants will worship Him

Claninja,

Rev.22:1(Y.L.T) And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, bright as crystal, going forth out of the throne of God and of the Lamb:
2 in the midst of its broad place, and of the river on this side and on that, [is] a tree of life, yielding twelve fruits, in each several month rendering its fruits, and the leaves of the tree [are] for the service of the nations;
3 and any curse there shall not be any more, and the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it*, and His servants shall serve Him,

and the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, (Her)* - (αὐτῇ ).......Tree of Life.

*Case: Dative
Gender: Feminine
Person: 3rd Person
Number: Singular Feminine personnel pronoun.

Jer.3:14(ASV) Return, O backsliding children, saith Jehovah; for I am a husband unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
15 and I will give you shepherds according to my heart, who shall feed you with knowledge and understanding. 16 And it shall come to pass, when ye are multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith Jehovah, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of Jehovah; neither shall it come to mind;p neither shall they remember it; neither shall they miss it; neither shall it be made any more.
17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of Jehovah; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of Jehovah, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the stubbornness of their evil heart.

they shall call Jerusalem the throne of Jehovah


and the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, (Her)* - (αὐτῇ ).....Tree of Life.

Jerusalem is the city......Wisdom is the Tree of Life.

Acts2:32(YLT) ‘This Jesus did God raise up, of which we are all witnesses;
33 at the right hand then of God having been exalted — also the promise of the Holy Spirit having received from the Father — he was shedding forth this, which now ye see and hear;

promise of the Holy Spirit

Promise = Tree of Life...... Wisdom.

Prov.3:13(Y.L.T.) O the happiness of a man [who] hath found wisdom, And of a man [who] bringeth forth understanding
14 For better [is] her merchandise Than the merchandise of silver, And than gold — her increase.
15Precious she [is] above rubies, And all thy pleasures are not comparable to her.
16Length of days [is] in her right hand, In her left [are] wealth(riches) and honour.
17Her ways [are] ways of pleasantness, And all her paths [are] peace.
18 A tree of life she [is] to those laying hold on her, And whoso is retaining her [is] happy.

18 A tree of life she [is] to those laying hold on her,

1Cor.1:23(ASV) but we preach Christ crucified, unto Jews a stumblingblock, and unto Gentiles foolishness;
24 but unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Rev.2:7. 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of the tree of life which is in the Paradise of God.

To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of the tree of life

Rev.22:19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

God shall take away his part from the tree of life,

Lk.7: 34(YLT) the Son of Man came eating and drinking, and ye say, Lo, a man, a glutton, and a wine drinker, a friend of tax-gatherers and sinners;
35 and the wisdom was justified from all her children.’


Peace to you.



Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. (2Cor.5:21).
 
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Many modern Orthodox Jews are promoting the rebuilding of a temple in Jerusalem.

Sadly, many of those who call themselves "Christians" are supporting the same thing.




Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.


Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.




Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

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Hmmm....that helps to begin to make sense of this odd glorification of Trump by Conservative christians (and how Trump and his son-in-law can even be getting along).

I put "Jared Kushner Third Temple" in my search bar and this came up:

This ebook: https://www.amazon.com/Rabbis-Donald-Trump-Top-Secret-Temple-ebook/dp/B07NFCNYDW

From the description: Many believe that President Trump is Israel’s next King Cyrus—the facilitator and overseer of the building of the Third Temple—and that his influential role in that pursuit is being guided by Hashem (God), Himself, in order to restore to His people the most sacred site of worship. Is a secret plan under development for construction of the Third Temple? And as these plans are increasingly expedited, will Trump succeed in raising this landmark, only to usher in the end of days?
In The Rabbis, Donald Trump, and the Top-Secret Plan to Build the Third Temple, you will learn:
•The connection between Donald Trump, the Rabbis, and a behind-the scenes scheme to erect the Third Temple
•The role Trump’s Orthodox Jewish son-in-law, Jared Kushner is playing with Saudi Arabia with plans to control the Temple Mount
•How Trump’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capitol and his moving the US Embassy there sent a powerful signal to Third Temple advocates
•The controversy over the Temple Mount location and why the spot on which the Third Temple will be built will soon be unveiled
•What the “Abomination of Desolation” is and what the globe’s most powerful political personalities have to say about its future appearance on holy ground
•How recent archeological site metal-detector scans near the Qumran Caves point to the discovery of ancient Temple treasures (including the Ark of the Covenant), and how that relates to the building of the Third Temple
•The mystery of the Copper Scroll and what it disclosed
•Events involving Trump and other world leaders as the building of the Third Temple is underway, and the obvious end-times signals these events raise
•What is to take place when the Temple is constructed, then desecrated​
 
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Many modern Orthodox Jews are promoting the rebuilding of a temple in Jerusalem.

Sadly, many of those who call themselves "Christians" are supporting the same thing.


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The Jews don't read the Christian NT, and a lot of Christians don't even understand it.
So don't blame them or the Jews........
 
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The Jews don't read the Christian NT, and a lot of Christians don't even understand it.
So don't blame them or the Jews........

Do they read about "the suffering servant" of Isaiah chapter 53?

Do they read about the promise of the New Covenant in the Book of Jeremiah?

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Do they read about the timeline in Daniel chapter 9.

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