Should the Church Auto-Anathematize Child Abusers who have Not Confessed in Secular Courts?

Basil the Great said:

Perhaps you are right? Maybe I went too far? Then again, maybe not? While it does not specifically say that those who are excommunicated are lost, it is possible to still read it that way. Can we really say that an excommunicated Catholic has remained "within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church"? I guess it depends upon how one wishes to interpret the Papal Bull. Still, I do concede that you make a valid point. The Papal Bull does not specifically refer to excommunicated Catholics, unless they become schismatics or heretics, and then they would certainly seem to be covered by the Bull. Anyway, I will withdraw from this thread. I do not wish to cause any dissension and I apologize for not being more careful in making my case.

Yes, I am well aware that the Church has never declared that any specific person is in Hell. Good point.

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Hello Basil,

From my experience, at a very young age, you have to keep in mind the distortion Catholic pacifism has brought to the Church. So anathema, which was thought to damn souls in the old days, is now distorted into being no big deal today, to support the new pacifist image. Let me tell you a story.

It was 1982 and Pope John Paul II was hit by bullets from an assassin. Three days later, my friend exclaims that Pope John Paul II forgave his attempted assassin. Wow! I thought that this would really help me in my quest to understand Jesus Will on when to kill. I wanted to know more. I asked my friend, 'Did the Pope have the attempted assassin over to diner at the Vatican to forgive him, or maybe a nice restaurant?' My friend screamed back, 'The Pope forgave the man! He did not let him out of prison!'

So if President George Bush would have first 'forgave' the 911 terrorists, before he spoke of how America was going to hunt down, kill or capture these murderers, for the protection of the world, would Pope John Paul II have said that George Bush is infinitely more forgiving than he himself, in his forgiving his attacker? No! It is the promotion of the modern Catholic pacifist image that is the goal of modern day Catholic leaders, not a change in how they actually protect themselves.

All we need is for Pope Francis to call upon Jesus to bind all child abusers to their sin until they confess their crime in secular courts. The modern age Catholics can see this as being frivolous and having no impact on the perpetrators soul. Catholics who see Jesus lips, binding sinners to their sins in heaven, when an Apostolic Successor requests Him to do so, as damning that person's soul, till they confess in secular courts, are happy for Jesus' protection of children. Pope Francis becomes a hero in the eyes of the world, for taking such a strong stand against child abusers. People have their faith restored in Jesus and the Church. We are all happy, no matter how a Catholic sees Catholic Church Anathema.

As you quoted, Popes still have anathema protecting themselves from physical harm. We simply want all children on earth protected in the same way. To avoid the massive Catholic cover up scandal within the Church, we just ask that child abusers confess there crimes in secular courts, for the anathema upon their souls to go away.

Basil the Great said:

Yes, I am well aware that the Church has never declared that any specific person is in Hell. Good point.

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Hello Basil,
Please don't fall for that modern Catholic pacifist lie. The old, pre-pacifist mentality, Catholic Church has told us that Judas Iscariot and Korah are damned and burning in hell. Please don't fall for the modern Catholic pacifist deception.