4 women fined, sentenced to probation for leaving water for migrants crossing US-Mexico border

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When I read some of the posts in this topic it makes me think of the words of Jesus from Matt. 25:31-40. It saddens me that here we are 2000 years or so down the track and we still ignore Jesus' call to "Follow Me", not just in the USA by all over the world.

Though I do remain optimistic that we all may get it one day... :(
 
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When I read some of the posts in this topic it makes me think of the words of Jesus from Matt. 25:31-40. It saddens me that here we are 2000 years or so down the track and we still ignore Jesus' call to "Follow Me", not just in the USA by all over the world.

Though I do remain optimistic that we all may get it one day... :(
one day my friend.. this will all pass and we will all be judged! Nice words though.. bless you!! :)
 
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Trump has immense power as president, that doesn’t excuse using it stupidly.
If you're implying that he has used his authority stupidly, you should make some attempt at explaining how he has acted stupidly and what acting not-stupidly would look like.

As for the lives taken by illegals - as has been demonstrated numerous times in other threads, illegals commit less violent crime that US citizens and communities with higher percentages of illegal immigrants have less violent crime.
Kate Steinle might have a different opinion on that.

Irrespective, American citizens by definition have not violated American immigration law with the mere fact of their presence on American soil. So, you know, that's one thing where American citizens have a leg up on the illegals.
 
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No doubt.

The rise of Trump has shown us that his followers will fall in lock-step with him even though some of his beliefs are the exact opposite of what conservatives used to stand for.
And the Sierra Club used to be one of the louder voices of opposition to illegal immigration. But comments like those are puzzling because it is clear that a political realignment is taking place right now.

To be clear, Trump's success is not the cause of that realignment. Rather, his success is a symptom of it.

There are other examples of the parties trading policy positions that they both expressed loudly before and during the Obama administration. No doubt more Democrat policy ideas will be picked up by the Republican Party while more Republican policy ideas are picked up by the Democrats. This process is fairly normal in the American experience.
 
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And the Sierra Club used to be one of the louder voices of opposition to illegal immigration. But comments like those are puzzling because it is clear that a political realignment is taking place right now.

To be clear, Trump's success is not the cause of that realignment. Rather, his success is a symptom of it.

There are other examples of the parties trading policy positions that they both expressed loudly before and during the Obama administration. No doubt more Democrat policy ideas will be picked up by the Republican Party while more Republican policy ideas are picked up by the Democrats. This process is fairly normal in the American experience.
You get it.. there is a boiling reaction under the subsurface... we're tired... in ye olde times we might have dies from coal inhalation or bullets to the chest.... life is beyond pointless at this time...Wives used to reassure us by making us feeling indispensable... now we have to laud them...
 
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If you're implying that he has used his authority stupidly, you should make some attempt at explaining how he has acted stupidly and what acting not-stupidly would look like.
The example was restricting legal asylum seeking and thus creating a “crisis.” This was all covered in earlier posts in this thread and one had a linked article.

Kate Steinle might have a different opinion on that.

I get that there are victims of violent crime perpetrated by illegal immigrants. However, this is not a reason to demonize all illegals and ignore the fact that the majority are peaceful.

Irrespective, American citizens by definition have not violated American immigration law with the mere fact of their presence on American soil. So, you know, that's one thing where American citizens have a leg up on the illegals.

Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor- like public intoxication or marijuana possession.
 
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And the Sierra Club used to be one of the louder voices of opposition to illegal immigration. But comments like those are puzzling because it is clear that a political realignment is taking place right now.

To be clear, Trump's success is not the cause of that realignment. Rather, his success is a symptom of it.

There are other examples of the parties trading policy positions that they both expressed loudly before and during the Obama administration. No doubt more Democrat policy ideas will be picked up by the Republican Party while more Republican policy ideas are picked up by the Democrats. This process is fairly normal in the American experience.
Yes, way back in 2015 when the moral integrity of the nation’s leaders mattered to Republicans.
 
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The example was restricting legal asylum seeking and thus creating a “crisis.” This was all covered in earlier posts in this thread and one had a linked article.



I get that there are victims of violent crime perpetrated by illegal immigrants. However, this is not a reason to demonize all illegals and ignore the fact that the majority are peaceful.



Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor- like public intoxication or marijuana possession.

So you're suggesting that repealing restrictions on Asylum seekers is practical legislation...

Crossing a border illegally is no misdemeanour, it's invasion, tantamount to treason and was, in times past, repayed with capital punishment....
 
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People who would have presented themselves at a legal port of entry are now so desperate that they are seeking illegal entry through the desert.

Apparently there's some part of "No" that they are having difficulty understanding. Well, that's on them then...
 
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Yes, way back in 2015 when the moral integrity of the nation’s leaders mattered to Republicans.
Honestly both parties are the same to me. Neither are moral, neither have been- They are just two barely distinguishable groups hogging all the power and pandering to whoever they think will get them more votes at the time.

The only reason I liked Trump to begin with was I appreciated his ability to tick both parties off and show their weaknesses. He was anti media corruption, and was supposed to drain the swamp.

Yet here we are now 2019 where he is hosting an international campaign for LGBT rights and allied with Israel and having all his dirty laundry aired out. Do I blame the media? Sure- no president has been so lied about and heavily scrutinized as Trump. Yet what exactly did we expect? Its not like anyone thought he was some great moral figure, only that he was a giant "screw you" to the political establishment.

Thing is, unless someone better comes along I'll probably feel I have to vote for him. Why? Because the Democrat party who I used to support, thinks that keeping a Baby alive after birth for more than a week, and then killing it- is somehow acceptable and should be fully legal.
 
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Growing up, we lived on some rural land near the border with Mexico that happened to have an illegal alien trail crossing it. One day, I was out getting exercise, and I heard some commotion back at the house. I carried a pole across my shoulders that I used to vault over the shrubbery, because I liked to run off-trail over the hills. On the way down the road, I passed the cause of the commotion, a few illegal aliens walking up the road, away from my parents' property. They gave me a cautious greeting, and I said "hello" back.

When I reached the house, someone (not a family member) said he thought I was going to whack them with the pole and chase them away. Why would I do that? The apparent angst was in regards to the fact that these people had stopped to drink water from a spigot, in spite of being told not to, at the threat of gun violence, no less. They apparently decided that they would rather take the water and risk being shot.

Now, I'm all in favor of border security and doing everything necessary to prevent these crossings, but I see no sense in denying them water. On the other hand, I'm also annoyed by these self-righteous liberals who blame an illegal's death in the desert on our effective border security driving them out there. Border security is not attempted murder. Aside from the trash they left behind, they also eventually broke a window and robbed my parents. Not wanting these invaders is a valid concern. They do need to be stopped.

In the event that they are not stopped, then there's still no reason to withhold aid. It would be better to give it to them at a detention center just prior to sending them back, though.
 
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Criminalizing compassion? Doesn’t seem like something Christians should be applauding.
It’s the park service doing what they do.

Enforcing the park laws and ordinances.
 
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So you're suggesting that repealing restrictions on Asylum seekers is practical legislation...

Crossing a border illegally is no misdemeanour, it's invasion, tantamount to treason and was, in times past, repayed with capital punishment....

When did I say repeal limits on asylum seekers?

In fairness episcopal, you really ought to be brought to book for being a massive f'ing traitor

That seems uncalled for. Here in America, we are allowed to voice our opinions without fear of restribution from the government.
 
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More dangerous routes to the same destination? The point here is that they're not going through conventional legal channels. If they're refugees, they can seek asylum, if they're economic migrants, they can apply for a visa. It's as simple as that.
If they put the the aid on non park land there would be no controversy.
 
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We're lost and searching blindly... I keep looking East but no one sees what I see!
Unfortunately the East isn't doing too much better. Patriarchs argue and Greece modernizes. Greece fell when it rejected monarchy and now its Patriarch falls into Apostasy. I pray that it doesn't last much longer. I think Russians may be the first to restore monarchy to Europe but we shall see. Times are changing and many look to the past for answers.
 
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When did I say repeal limits on asylum seekers?



That seems uncalled for. Here in America, we are allowed to voice our opinions without fear of restribution from the government.
lol You're right, I'm the alien ... I don't relate to your ways!
 
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"The women were convicted in January of operating a vehicle without a permit at the Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge in southwestern Arizona. They were also convicted of entering a wildlife refuge without a permit and abandonment of property..."

...not convicted of leaving water. There's so much of this we should ask CF to create a new forum called "Fake News" where all this kind of stuff can be dumped.

Also, the women should be fired and subjected to a social media firestorm for leaving beans. That's racist.
Put simply they were cited for violating preservation laws.

Meaning they were shot down by the Sierra club mafia.
 
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