SDA World Leader: Abortions Justified In Rape, Threat Of Death

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If you are killing a human being, yes, I have an opinion on that.

Killing a human being is not the equivalent of terminating a fetus.

Terminations of pregnancies caused by rape, incest, or in case of danger to the mother are indeed justified morally and legally and ethically.

That is your mere opinion, when, in fact, the examples I gave are enshrined in the law. They are good ethics and morality.

A fetus is not the equivalent of a human.

They are not a difference of degree but of kind.
You may argue that a fetus, before being able to sustain life on its own, is not considered life, but a post 21 week fetus in the womb is a life and the taking of that life is murder. Have you ever seen a preemie and thought it was not viable, just a collection of cells?
The right to choose side have pushed the limit to the 9 month mark in NY. Are you saying that is not murder? Because it's done in a clinical, "professional" way??
 
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You may argue that a fetus, before being able to sustain life on its own, is not considered life, but a post 21 week fetus in the womb is a life and the taking of that life is murder. Have you ever seen a preemie and thought it was not viable, just a collection of cells?
The right to choose side have pushed the limit to the 9 month mark in NY. Are you saying that is not murder? Because it's done in a clinical, "professional" way??

I was a dialysis tech for 20 years---I've had to do preemies---one was 3 lbs. and most of that was water. I had to try to avoid looking at it as much as I could to not break apart--jus try to look at the equipment. I've seen bigger puppies! It just tears you up to see them with all those tubes. I would rather work on a dying adult than a sick baby. It would have been aborted by some, it hadn't had it's lungs or kidneys fully develop yet. We kept it going till they did. It lived. They kept babies alive that weighed only 1 lb. Those would otherwise have been brutally chopped up during an abortion. They do feel pain. That was when I started to have compassion on my aborted babies, even though they were my fahers.
 
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I would say it does. I am the product of a date rape. You are saying I should have been aborted. I think my judgement should have a say in that.
Show me where I said you should have been aborted: at the least, that is a grevious misreading of what I wrote. For shame.

I said it was up to the mother. Your mother did a wonderful thing, but I am not going to judge other mothers in the same situation, and neither should you.
 
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You may argue that a fetus, before being able to sustain life on its own, is not considered life, but a post 21 week fetus in the womb is a life and the taking of that life is murder. Have you ever seen a preemie and thought it was not viable, just a collection of cells?
The right to choose side have pushed the limit to the 9 month mark in NY. Are you saying that is not murder? Because it's done in a clinical, "professional" way??
You as others greviously misstate what I have written above and that is wrong.

I never said what you said, that a fetus is not life. What I said (and get it right every time from now on) that it is not a human being.
 
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You as others greviously misstate what I have written above and that is wrong.

I never said what you said, that a fetus is not life. What I said (and get it right every time from now on) that it is not a human being.
Semantics... what is it if not a human being?
 
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No, it is not a living born human being.

No one can get around that fact.
No one disputes that the human hasn't been born yet.... How is it God knew Jeremiah in his mothers womb? God recognized Jeremiah as human before birth, why can't you?
 
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No, it is not a living born human being.

No one can get around that fact.

Really? It is still a living thing. As soon as there s a heart beat, that thing is living--It is breathing through it's mother. When the brain develops, it is starting to use it. Doesn't matter what you call it, it is a living thing. And ask any woman who has lost a child through miscarriage (and she wanted it) of the sorrow she felt. Even a dolphin grieves when her child is born dead. They have been known to carry it for a week trying to get it to breathe. Even monkey's have been recorded carrying around their dead infant for days and mourning. I don't think any man can comprehend what it is to carry a life in you, and their "opinion" as to it not being a living thing, carries no weight. And there s no denying that there are woman who have no motherly instincts and have no qualms about killing even their own fully developed children, --that doesn't negate the fact that it is life in there. It is only the male of the species that can, and frequently does, kill offspring, including their own, without any remorse.
 
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Yes, it is a living thing but not a human being until it is born.

That is the science and the law of it.

Your opinion is just that, and the nature of fetus and human are not for private interpretation.

Don't really care but what anyone else says---God and plain old common sense--says
otherwise. That is not a piece of rock growing in there. Legalities are not always moral.
 
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He is not supporting abortion in those cases, he clearly says it is up to the individual. I had 3 abortions--they were my fathers and the first was at the age of 12. I had no choice in the matter. I knew a young man that had a horrible relationship with his mother. He could never understand why she was soo very distant from him and, in fact seem to hate him. He was informed by his grandmother, finally, that he was the product of rape and every time she looked at him, she was taken back to that scene. It is not his fault, and she had no right to make him feel like that, but she tried and could not get past that trauma. I have no idea what my life would have been like, had I not had those abortions. Those children were innocent---but it took years for me to accept them as such, for most of my life I viewed them as an abhorrent product of the evil of my father and felt that they weren't even accepted by God. I was many years after returning to God that I finally accepted them as innocent children before God. Sad to say, had I had to raise them I would most likely have destroyed them emotionally.

Thank you for articulating the moral dilema women face. Real life is not all syrupy sweetness and its too easy to condemn women for the choices they feel they have to make.
 
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I have no idea what my life would have been like, had I not had those abortions. Those children were innocent---but it took years for me to accept them as such, for most of my life I viewed them as an abhorrent product of the evil of my father and felt that they weren't even accepted by God.
Actually God had a plan for each of them. Aborting them cut them off from being able to fulfill that plan.
 
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Exception for pregnancy by rape or incest.

That is between the woman and the Lord.
All sin is "between" the sinner and the Lord, but where in Scripture does God approve of killing the child for the sins of the father?
 
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