WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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If you have
(1) a drivers license with an image/photo/likeness of you
(2) a passport with an image/photo/likeness of you
(3) a credit card with an image/photo/likeness of you
(4) a smartphone whether yours or not with an image/photo/likeness of you that you consent to the image
(5) any landscape paintings or artwork hanging on any walls of your house
(6) any floral paintings or artwork (a likeness of flowers) hanging on any walls of your house

Then you would do well to see what James wrote:

"For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one [point], he has become guilty of all."
(James 2:10)

With that in mind, images are addressed in the Old Covenant, and here is the quote:

"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth."
(Exodus 20:4)

You need to revisit the scriptures brother the CONTEXT you leave out of the scripture you quote is in reference to making IDOLS and bowing down and worshipping them. Here let me add the rest of the scripture for you in relation to God's 2nd commandments of the 10 commandments.

EXODUS 20:4-6
[4], You shall not make to you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
[5], You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[6], And showing mercy to thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Notice also v6 who is God's mercy towards? How do you think this links to JOHN 14:15?

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.
 
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If you say that you are bound by what is written in Exodus 20:8-10, then it follows that you should be bound by the words of Exodus 20:4.This would mean that a person guilty of violating the requirment of a images/likeness as expressed in Exodus 20:4 is guilty of violating the 7th day sabbath as expressed in Exodus 20:8-10. Don't forget what James wrote in 2:10 quoted above.

It is not about being bound and never has been. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8.

OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

It has always been about LOVE we do not follow God's LAW to be saved. We follow God's WORD by faith because we LOVE God which is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10; MATTHEW 22:36-40; JAMES 2:8-12; ROMANS 8:1-4; GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 3:31; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; JOHN 14:15; EXODUS 20:6.

Sorry brother once again only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teaching and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

Hope this helps :)
 
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Hi Neogaia777, nice to see you again brother. Once again these are your words not God's WORD. The scriptures shared with you are God's WORD not my words. No one here is saying anything you are claiming they are here brother. If no one is claiming any of the things you are claiming they are why pretend that they are? Did you have any scriptures to share in relation to the OP?

God bless
Those are some scriptures! I just did not look them up to find out where they were!
 
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You do by requiring the keeping of the sabbath under threat of not having salvation.What dose God ask us to do? (hint 1 Jn 3:23)What you're really asking is are we ruled by the law. The Scripture clearly says the Christian isn't in both Romans and Galatians.Works of the law are never called fruit in the Scripture.Since this isn't out covenant there's no sin in not keeping it.Neither do I.So it is. Not a single one of your NT/NC references require keeping the law.And you're guilty as you charge yourself.IOW according to you we don't have salvation unless we keep the sabbath.This is a TOS rule violation. You want us to honor the law while you completely disregard the TOS you agreed to post here. You don't respect rules/laws.

Now I understand some here think I'm only heckling you. I do see how they could come to this conclusion by my opposition to your false gospel of law cheapened by grace. Personally I don't think you even pay attention to what you post.

You have not responded to the posts and the scriptures you are quoting from that disagree with you. Your welcome to have another go.

Why do you make claims that are not true? Who is telling to to go back to the letter of the law? Can you have the spirit of the law without the letter when the Spirit works through the letter in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD? We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Here are some questions for your consideration brother. You do not have to answer them here if you do not wish to. Please however pray about these questions and answer them for yourself in your own time as our salvation depends on if we are BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD or not BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD *JOHN 12:47-48

1. Who is saying you must be righteoues by our own works? If no one is saying this to you why pretend that they are?

2. If we love GOD will we do what he asks us to do, not because we are saved by what he asks us to do, but because we LOVE God *JOHN 14:15; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; JOHN 15:10; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31?

3. Is God's LAW (10 commandments) abolished through faith or is it establsihed in the heart to love *ROMANS 3:31; HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10; MATTHEW 22:36-40?

4. If our faith has no fruit is it the Faith that God wants us to have or the faith of the devils *JAMES 2:18-20; 26; MATTHEW 7:16-23?

5. Is someone who is living a life of known unrepentant sin (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God *HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; MATTHEW 7:16-23?

Sorry brother, God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there. If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD? Let's be honest here brother. Everything shared here is only shared in love. You eaither have God's WORD to support your claims or you do not. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29; MATTHEW 15:3-9. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgment day *MATTHEW 10:26; JOHN 12:47-48. At this time however sadly it will be too late for all those who had the chance to hear God's WORD but chose to turn away from it *MATTHEW 7:22-23

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.
 
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Wow, Neogaia777, did you see this post from today, "The Spirit Reigns over the Law Post" from this morning? Wow, do you see the parallels between the these two posts? I did not find your post until after posting! Wow, to God be the Glory forever and ever!

Now, as a reminder to those who try to keep the Law. The "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post clearly shows that the Lord Jesus said "the new covenant in My blood" (Luke 22:20) then in Hebrews 8:13 it is written "When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete". The Lord Jesus satisfies the Law (Matthew 5:17). This resolutely shows that the Blood of Jesus Christ makes believers clean, and that the good works of believers are wrought in God (John 3:21).

Now brother, why try and make pretend arguments that no one is talking about? If everyone is in agreement that we are in the NEW COVENANT then you have nothing to argue about. What we are in disagreement however as shown through God's WORD is your understanding of what the OLD COVENANT is. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?

This has been demonstrated through the scriptures alone and most recently in post # 1504 linked which you choose to ignore and do not respond to. If you disagree please respond to this post and all the scriptures that disagree with you as there are many.

Now brother this is only posted in love. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear. As shown through the scriptures in the linked post above, You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) in the NEW COVENANT that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD? Many are called but few are chosen. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48; 1 CORINTHIANS 4:5; 1 JOHN 2:3-4

Only sent in love as a help to you :)
 
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You need to revisit the scriptures brother the CONTEXT you leave out of the scripture you quote is in reference to making IDOLS and bowing down and worshipping them. Here let me add the rest of the scripture for you in relation to God's 2nd commandments of the 10 commandments.

EXODUS 20:4-6
[4], You shall not make to you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
[5], You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[6], And showing mercy to thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Notice also v6 who is God's mercy towards? How do you think this links to JOHN 14:15?

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.
Those are two "You shall not" sentences, one is in verse 4 and the second is in verse 5; therefore, each can stand alone, related yes, but the "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth" (Exodus 20:4). The earlier post stands. I am not bound by the Old Covenant, but Old Covenant keepers are bound by the Law. Here is God's Word showing the Old Covenant is obsolete "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post"; therefore, we Spirit-filled believers do not need to keep the 7th day sabbath. We Spirit-filled believers hear, obey, and abide in the Lord Jesus.

So, here is the post again because of all the posts in between:

If you have
(1) a drivers license with an image/photo/likeness of you
(2) a passport with an image/photo/likeness of you
(3) a credit card with an image/photo/likeness of you
(4) a smartphone whether yours or not with an image/photo/likeness of you that you consent to the image
(5) any landscape paintings or artwork hanging on any walls of your house
(6) any floral paintings or artwork (a likeness of flowers) hanging on any walls of your house

Then you would do well to see what James wrote:

"For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one [point], he has become guilty of all."
(James 2:10)

With that in mind, images are addressed in the Old Covenant, and here is the quote:

"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth."
(Exodus 20:4)

If you say that you are bound by what is written in Exodus 20:8-10, then it follows that you should be bound by the words of Exodus 20:4.

This would mean that a person guilty of violating the requirment of a images/likeness as expressed in Exodus 20:4 is guilty of violating the 7th day sabbath as expressed in Exodus 20:8-10. Don't forget what James wrote in 2:10 quoted above.

Now, Jesus said:

"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."
(Matthew 7:5)

And, Jesus said:

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence."
(Matthew 23:25)

It sure looks like lawlessness to violate the words of Exodus 20:4, including "any likeness". That that lawlessness would bleed into the words recorded in Exodus 20:8-10. And that anyone teaching to keep the Law would be guilty of hypocisy.

This is a lawful use of the Law (1 Timothy 1:8).

Now, I know that I can not keep the Law, and that the Lord Jesus satisfied the Law, and the Lord Jesus has given me a new heart indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and I have inherited His righteousness, and I love the things that the Lord Jesus loves and I hate the things that the Lord Jesus hates. The same goes for all believers on the Lord Jesus Christ.

As shown in this "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post the Lord Jesus said "the new covenant in My blood" (Luke 22:20) then in Hebrews 8:13 it is written "When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete". This resolutely shows that the Blood of Jesus Christ makes believers clean, and that the good works of believers are wrought in God (John 3:21).

Keeping the Law won't save a person. God saves, and His Name is Jesus.
 
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Paul in Romans 14 refers to days esteemed by persons:


Rom 14:5 - One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 - He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.


Note that the day being referred to is not stated.Note also that this is a day esteemed by man and it is not referred to in the way God refers to the Sabbath as His holy day.


Isa 58:13 - If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Exo 16:23 - And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

Exo 31:15 - Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.


Note that,Paul had referred to the Law and Prophets for support in this dispute and hence we can be assured that there is no option given therein concerning whether or not to observe the Sabbath.It is not for man to choose the holy day of God,He had already chosen that day.He said:


Rom 15:1 - We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
Rom 15:2 - Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.
Rom 15:3 - For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
Rom 15:4 - For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

The scriptures which were "written aforetime",are none other than the "Law and the Prophets",commonly called the "Old Testament"

Gen 2:2 - And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 - And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


Whereas man cannot choose the day set aside as holy to God,he can however choose days which he devotes to God personally and which would not be binding on other
Christians.In the early Church however it was seen that persons wanted to impose on others special days for fastings and it could be this practice that Paul is trying to correct.

In the Didache it is written:


"And let not your fastings be with the hypocrites for they fast on the second and fifth day of the week;but do keep your fast on the fourth and preparation(the sixth) day."[Didache 8:1,2]


Paul,apparently,was simply saying, contrary to the writer of the above,that days used by a believer for personal devotion to the Lord should not be regulated by another but should be of his own choosing.He had freedom to choose these days,not freedom to choose his own Sabbath.The Sabbath was esteemed by God and given to man but man can devote any day he wishes to the Lord for various purposes without disregarding the Sabbath.

That could be interpreted perfectly as any day that a person esteems, if sabbath was so important Paul needed to be more clear, also there are another scriptures, like the one that says that let nobody judge you about sabbath days. People add to the plain interpretation of that saying that is another sabbaths not the normal one. That is not reading the plain interpretation and is adding second intentions.
 
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In addition to the "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" which clearly shows God's Word explaining believers covered by the Blood of Jesus of the New Covenant are not bound to the Old Covenant which includes the 10 commandments for the Lord Jesus said that He satisfies the Law which includes the 10 commandments, there is the Ark of the Covenant that is a shadow of Christ just like the ark in the time of Noah is a shadow of Christ.

"Take this book of the law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may remain there as a witness against you."
(Deuteronomy 31:26)

Then he took the book of the covenant and read [it] in the hearing of the people; and they said, "All that the LORD has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient!"
(Exodus 24:7)

Behold the word "Covenant" in the name "Ark of the Covenant". Because of the layout of events recorded in Exodus starting with Exodus 19, we know that the commands indicated in Exodus 20 are sandwiched in with the commands that continue up to Exodus 24 -ish because of the book of the covenant mentioned in Exodus 24:7 (see "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" which is in timeline format).

Remaining with the word "Covenant" in the name "Ark of the Covenant", we find some of the contents of the Ark listed in this verse:

"Then I turned and came down from the mountain and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, as the LORD commanded me." (Deuteronomy 10:5)

So, the Ark of the Covenant, and that word "Covenant" refers to the first which is mentioned in Hebrews 8:13 (see "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post"), contains the tablets as of the writing of Deuteronomy 10:5.

No one knows where the Ark of the Covenant is located anymore, or, at least, no one is making it well known by showing it.

Again, the Ark of the Covenant is a shadow of Christ, and there is mention of "the ark of His covenant" (notice the word "His") in the Book of Revelation with "And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm" (Revelation 11:19).

Now, Jesus said:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

Now Luke recorded the words of Jesus with:

"And in the same way [He took] the cup after they had eaten, saying, 'This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.'" (Luke 22:20)

Now the author of Hebrews recorded:

"When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete." (Hebrews 8:13)

Thus, the Ark of the Covenant with it's contents are part of the Old Covenant. The contents of stone remind me of what is recorded in Ezekiel 36:26, "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh". The next verse is "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances" (Ezekiel 36:27) which then returns to "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post".

Spirit-filled believers inherit the righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ for His Blood covers us. Keeping the Old Covenant law, except where reaffirmed by Christ, is not keeping the words of Jesus. That would be called lawlessness. Teaching others to keep the Old Covenant law, except where reaffirmed by Christ, is not keeping the words of Jesus. That would be called teaching lawlessness. God saves, and His Name is Jesus.
 
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Those are two "You shall not" sentences, one is in verse 4 and the second is in verse 5; therefore, each can stand alone, related yes, but the "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth" (Exodus 20:4). The earlier post stands. I am not bound by the Old Covenant, but Old Covenant keepers are bound by the Law. Here is God's Word showing the Old Covenant is obsolete "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post"; therefore, we Spirit-filled believers do not need to keep the 7th day sabbath. We Spirit-filled believers hear, obey, and abide in the Lord Jesus.

So, here is the post again because of all the posts in between:

If you have
(1) a drivers license with an image/photo/likeness of you
(2) a passport with an image/photo/likeness of you
(3) a credit card with an image/photo/likeness of you
(4) a smartphone whether yours or not with an image/photo/likeness of you that you consent to the image
(5) any landscape paintings or artwork hanging on any walls of your house
(6) any floral paintings or artwork (a likeness of flowers) hanging on any walls of your house

Then you would do well to see what James wrote:

"For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one [point], he has become guilty of all."
(James 2:10)

With that in mind, images are addressed in the Old Covenant, and here is the quote:

"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth."
(Exodus 20:4)

If you say that you are bound by what is written in Exodus 20:8-10, then it follows that you should be bound by the words of Exodus 20:4.

This would mean that a person guilty of violating the requirment of a images/likeness as expressed in Exodus 20:4 is guilty of violating the 7th day sabbath as expressed in Exodus 20:8-10. Don't forget what James wrote in 2:10 quoted above.

Now, Jesus said:

"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."
(Matthew 7:5)

And, Jesus said:

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence."
(Matthew 23:25)

It sure looks like lawlessness to violate the words of Exodus 20:4, including "any likeness". That that lawlessness would bleed into the words recorded in Exodus 20:8-10. And that anyone teaching to keep the Law would be guilty of hypocisy.

This is a lawful use of the Law (1 Timothy 1:8).

Now, I know that I can not keep the Law, and that the Lord Jesus satisfied the Law, and the Lord Jesus has given me a new heart indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and I have inherited His righteousness, and I love the things that the Lord Jesus loves and I hate the things that the Lord Jesus hates. The same goes for all believers on the Lord Jesus Christ.

As shown in this "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post the Lord Jesus said "the new covenant in My blood" (Luke 22:20) then in Hebrews 8:13 it is written "When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete". This resolutely shows that the Blood of Jesus Christ makes believers clean, and that the good works of believers are wrought in God (John 3:21).

Keeping the Law won't save a person. God saves, and His Name is Jesus.


Well none of that is true brother your only repeating yourself again.

You need to revisit the scriptures brother the CONTEXT you leave out of the scripture you quote is in reference to making IDOLS and bowing down and worshipping them. Here let me add the rest of the scripture for you in relation to God's 2nd commandments of the 10 commandments.

EXODUS 20:4-6
[4], You shall not make to you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
[5], You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[6], And showing mercy to thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Notice also v6 who is God's mercy towards? How do you think this links to JOHN 14:15?

NOTE: the CONTEXT is making graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth with the purpose of bowing down to them and serving them. This ties in with the first commandments to serve other Gods.

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

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Whoever said keeping the law saves a person? If no one has ever said keeping the law saves a person why pretend that they have? If no one has ever said keeping the law saves anyone you have not argument so what are you arguing about?

We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

It has always been about LOVE we do not follow God's LAW to be saved. We follow God's WORD by faith because we LOVE God which is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10; MATTHEW 22:36-40; JAMES 2:8-12; ROMANS 8:1-4; GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 3:31; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; JOHN 14:15; EXODUS 20:6.

Sorry brother once again only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teaching and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. JESUS did not keep God's LAW in order for us to break it. JESUS saves us from sin not to continue in it.

Hope this helps.
 
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That could be interpreted perfectly as any day that a person esteems, if sabbath was so important Paul needed to be more clear, also there are another scriptures, like the one that says that let nobody judge you about sabbath days. People add to the plain interpretation of that saying that is another sabbaths not the normal one. That is not reading the plain interpretation and is adding second intentions.

Hello brother NBB,

God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is one of the 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is in both of the OLD AND NEW COVENANTS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

Now it is clear through the scriptures all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8

If PAUL was talking about the SABBATH in ROMANS 14 why is it never once mentioned in the Chapter and all the book of ROMANS? You think if the wages of SIN (breaking any of God's Commandments) is death Paul would be pretty specific about what he was talking about don't you? Why did PAUL continue keeping the SABBATH with both JEWS and GENTILE BELIEVERS (ACT 13:14-15; 42-44; ACT 16:13; ACT 17:1-2; ACT 18:4-5?

ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, and judging others not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

SOME POINTS TO CONSIDER IN ROMANS 14:1-23

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

ROMANS 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
ROMANS 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
ROMANS 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

ROMANS 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

CONCLUSION: Nothing about God's 4th commandment in there at all. The scriptures are talking about food connected to days (eating and not eating (fasting) on days men esteem over other days. Not what days God esteems and judging others.

The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment or any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about.

Hope this helps.
 
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Hello brother NBB,

God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is one of the 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is in both of the OLD AND NEW COVENANTS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

Now it is clear through the scriptures all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8

If PAUL was talking about the SABBATH in ROMANS 14 why is it never once mentioned in the Chapter and all the book of ROMANS? You think if the wages of SIN (breaking any of God's Commandments) is death Paul would be pretty specific about what he was talking about don't you? Why did PAUL continue keeping the SABBATH with both JEWS and GENTILE BELIEVERS (ACT 13:14-15; 42-44; ACT 16:13; ACT 17:1-2; ACT 18:4-5?

ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, and judging others not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

SOME POINTS TO CONSIDER IN ROMANS 14:1-23

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

ROMANS 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
ROMANS 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
ROMANS 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

ROMANS 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

CONCLUSION: Nothing about God's 4th commandment in there at all. The scriptures are talking about food connected to days (eating and not eating (fasting) on days men esteem over other days. Not what days God esteems and judging others.

The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment or any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about.

Hope this helps.

If one esteems one day over the other and others not, everyone be persuaded in his own mind, the food part is separate, you are adding to the plain interpretation, its not like you say and Paul is saying here that everyone be persuaded in his own mind if you esteem and hold a day or not... OR NOT. Is clear, If the sabbath were so important in the NT he would have said something else.

Also, in other part of the NT it says nobody judge you about sabbath days etc. Here again he had an opportunity to say something if the sabbath was so important, but it just says that those things are not cause of sin. If you are not to be judged by that then you are free to do it, i mean not keeping the sabbath days.

And we are not under the law for the jews, there were a lot of things that are mentioned in the law that we do not need to do. This should be obvious.
 
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If one esteems one day over the other and others not, everyone be persuaded in his own mind, the food part is separate, you are adding to the plain interpretation, its not like you say and Paul is saying here that everyone be persuaded in his own mind if you esteem and hold a day or not... OR NOT. Is clear, If the sabbath were so important in the NT he would have said something else.

Also, in other part of the NT it says nobody judge you about sabbath days etc. Here again he had an opportunity to say something if the sabbath was so important, but it just says that those things are not cause of sin. If you are not to be judged by that then you are free to do it, i mean not keeping the sabbath days. To be UNDER THE LAW means to stand guilty before God of breaking it *ROMANS 3:19.

And we are not under the law for the jews, there were a lot of things that are mentioned in the law that we do not need to do. This should be obvious.

Not at all brother how have I added to the scriptures? Where does it say in ROMANS 14 that it is talking about the SABBATH or God's 4th commandment? If you have no scripture for your claims your reading into God's WORD something that it is not saying.

Your the one reading into the scriptures something that it is not saying by making claims that ROMANS 14 is talking about God's 4th commandment.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD? Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Your trying to read into the scriptures something that they are not talking about. This has already been proven in post # 1589 linked with all the scripture in it that you chose to ignore

Hope this helps :)
 
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Hello brother NBB,

God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is one of the 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is in both of the OLD AND NEW COVENANTS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

Now it is clear through the scriptures all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8

If PAUL was talking about the SABBATH in ROMANS 14 why is it never once mentioned in the Chapter and all the book of ROMANS? You think if the wages of SIN (breaking any of God's Commandments) is death Paul would be pretty specific about what he was talking about don't you? Why did PAUL continue keeping the SABBATH with both JEWS and GENTILE BELIEVERS (ACT 13:14-15; 42-44; ACT 16:13; ACT 17:1-2; ACT 18:4-5?

ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, and judging others not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

SOME POINTS TO CONSIDER IN ROMANS 14:1-23

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

ROMANS 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
ROMANS 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
ROMANS 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

ROMANS 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

CONCLUSION: Nothing about God's 4th commandment in there at all. The scriptures are talking about food connected to days (eating and not eating (fasting) on days men esteem over other days. Not what days God esteems and judging others.

The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment or any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about.

Hope this helps.

This looks the same as the foods, it says 'nobody judge you about food or drink' among other scriptures, and we know from what those people are not to be judged in that time, is about the impure animals, what excuses do you have to twist that scripture and says not to eat for example pork?
 
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Not at all brother how have I added to the scriptures? Where does it say in ROMANS 14 that it is talking about the SABBATH or God's 4th commandment? If you have no scripture for your claims your reading into God's WORD something that it is not saying.

Your the one reading into the scriptures something that it is not saying not men by making claims that ROMANS 14 is talking about God's 4th commandment not me :)

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD? Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Your trying to read into the scriptures something that they are not talking about. This has already been proven in post # xxx

Here Paul is talking about holding days, and what is sabbath keeeping? a day, and holding it or esteem it. This is the plain interpretation. More clear impossible.
 
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This looks the same as the foods, it says 'nobody judge you about food or drink' among other scriptures, and we know from what those people are not to be judged in that time, is about the impure animals, what excuses do you have to twist that scripture and says not to eat for example pork?

You have no scripture and cannot address the posts and scripture provided and only sent in love as a help to you can you. Only God's WORD is true brother and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. It is JESUS alone that says all those who FOLLOW that teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me. Who should we BELIEVE and FOLLOW; God or man? I know who I believe how about you *ROMANS 3:4 :)
 
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This looks the same as the foods, it says 'nobody judge you about food or drink' among other scriptures, and we know from what those people are not to be judged in that time, is about the impure animals, what excuses do you have to twist that scripture and says not to eat for example pork?

Also sunday is not a replacement for keeping the sabbath, it just a day some people dedicate to the lord. Again this scripture should make things clear, if you esteem one day over the other, make your mind and do it for the lord, the one who does or the one who do not. 'Nobody judge you about sabbath days'
 
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You have no scripture and cannot address the posts and scripture provided and only sent in love as a help to you can you :)

I gave you 2 scriptures that says not to worry about days, you throw me 10 more talking of something else.
 
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Here Paul is talking about holding days, and what is sabbath keeeping? a day, and holding it or esteem it. This is the plain interpretation. More clear impossible.

As posted earlier your trying to read into the scriptures something that they are not saying. Please feel free to respond to the post and the scripture provided that disagree with you brother.

God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is one of the 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is in both of the OLD AND NEW COVENANTS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

Now it is clear through the scriptures all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10; GALATIANS 5:19-21; EPHESIANS 5:6; COLOSSIANS 3:6; REVELATION 21:7-8

If PAUL was talking about the SABBATH in ROMANS 14 why is it never once mentioned in the Chapter and all the book of ROMANS? You think if the wages of SIN (breaking any of God's Commandments) is death Paul would be pretty specific about what he was talking about don't you? Why did PAUL continue keeping the SABBATH with both JEWS and GENTILE BELIEVERS (ACT 13:14-15; 42-44; ACT 16:13; ACT 17:1-2; ACT 18:4-5?

ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, and judging others not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

SOME POINTS TO CONSIDER IN ROMANS 14:1-23

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

ROMANS 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
ROMANS 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
ROMANS 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

ROMANS 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

CONCLUSION: Nothing about God's 4th commandment in there at all. The scriptures are talking about food connected to days (eating and not eating (fasting) on days men esteem over other days. Not what days God esteems and judging others.

The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment or any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about.

Hope this helps.
 
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I gave you 2 scriptures that says not to worry about days, you throw me 10 more talking of something else.

Well that is not true. You were provided many scriptures showing why you are in error and reading into God's WORD something that it is not talking about. The scriptures are not the problem it is your interpretation of them as shown above.

Hope this helps.
 
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Also sunday is not a replacement for keeping the sabbath, it just a day some people dedicate to the lord.
Indeed. We should worship God everyday that has never been the problem. It is SIN (breaking God's LAW) that is the problem. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD through love. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.
Again this scripture should make things clear, if you esteem one day over the other, make your mind and do it for the lord, the one who does or the one who do not. 'Nobody judge you about sabbath days'
Yep not talking about God's 4th commandment now is it. ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, and judging others not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

Hope this helps
 
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