Democratic Senators block bill preventing killing baby survivors of abortion

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The law says a person, "when referring to the victim of a homicide, means a human being who has been born and is alive."

So a fetus inside the womb is not considered a person, and therefore does not have rights under state law. That is why someone can legally have an abortion after being pregnant for 24 weeks to preserve the life of the mother.

It's not just NY state law that says a fetus isn't a person. It's also the Constitution. Where does it say, or even imply, that the unborn are "persons?" This is exactly what the SC ruled in Roe v. Wade. This is from Section IX of Justice Blackmun's 7-2 majority opinion:

All this, together with our observation, supra, that throughout the major portion of the 19th century prevailing legal abortion practices were far freer than they are today, persuades us that the word "person," as used in the Fourteenth Amendment, does not include the unborn.

FindLaw's United States Supreme Court case and opinions.

But back to this bill: Did the Senators who introduced this legislation hold any hearings, or get any opinions from qualified OBs, or other experts in the field? I'm not an OB, but I had a 40 year career in health care. This law addresses a situation that hardly ever occurs. Terminations that are done at viability (22wks or more at the earliest) are a bit over 1% of all such procedures. And, in this country, they are done legally only for serious maternal, or fetal health problems. I won't go into the details, but when done properly--under ultrasonic guidance, so the physician knows exactly where he is and what he's doing--the D & E procedure most commonly used induces near-instantaneous fetal death.

If anything should be a crime, it's an attempted late term abortion so badly botched that it results in a live delivery. At the very least, it's grossly negligent medical practice.
 
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Because the baby is a human life at conception. This is Scriptural.
Nothing to do with being external .

Nope, the Bible does NOT tell us that human life begins at conception.
 
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Perhaps as an incentive to not kill it. Some people have to be paid to not kill their children.
Imagine the nightmare that an unwanted baby, child, teen or adult would go through. I'm sure foster kids and unwanted people end up on drugs, homeless and on welfare . Or even take their life.
 
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How often does a failed abortion happen, now days ?

This is older data (2002) specifically regarding 1st trimester abortion. The rate of continued pregnancy after surgical abortion is given as 0.18%. The failure rate is somewhat higher after medical abortion, at 1%. That figure is probably lower now, as different, more effective drug regimens are being used.

Failed abortion is quite rare.

https://obgyn.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1576/toag.2002.4.4.222
 
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That makes two of us.

If you insist.

Maybe you should read what I said again. It was quite plain. The democrats should be speaking for themselves as to why they voted the way they did, but they're not. Instead, what they ARE doing is letting the MSM speak for them. Understand now?

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New York law defines when a fetus is considered a person

"New York state law says you are alive when you begin to breathe," Glick said. "That’s not me, that’s just the law."

Is Glick right? Is that the law?

State abortion law

Glick said her definition comes from the current state law on abortion.

The definition is included in the state’s penal law, or criminal code, which defines the crime of abortion, where someone intentionally causes a pregnancy to be terminated without consent or justification.

The law says a person, "when referring to the victim of a homicide, means a human being who has been born and is alive."

So a fetus inside the womb is not considered a person, and therefore does not have rights under state law. That is why someone can legally have an abortion after being pregnant for 24 weeks to preserve the life of the mother.
I'm sorry but that is a stretch of ridiculous proportions. Taking the verbiage of several clauses in a law and cobbling them in a Frankenstein's monster of a pseudo-quote does not create an example of Democrats saying that "babies aren't human until they take their first breath". You also appear not to have noticed that the definition of person has the word "human" in it.
 
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Imagine the nightmare that an unwanted baby, child, teen or adult would go through. I'm sure foster kids and unwanted people end up on drugs, homeless and on welfare . Or even take their life.

Yeah, so it's better to kill them right off the bat, right?
 
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I'm sorry but that is a stretch of ridiculous proportions. Taking the verbiage of several clauses in a law and cobbling them in a Frankenstein's monster of a pseudo-quote does not create an example of Democrats saying that "babies aren't human until they take their first breath". You also appear not to have noticed that the definition of person has the word "human" in it.

Nothing cobbled together in that quote. It was a straight quote from the article.
 
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Yeah, so it's better to kill them right off the bat, right?
Yes, it's better to terminate, than give a child such a horrible life, that they wish they never been born.
 
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Yes, it's better to terminate, than give a child such a horrible life, that they wish they never been born.

Tell that to the 3 kids in your avatar pic. Teenagers commit suicide all the time using logic like yours. Do you really want to subscribe to that type of thinking?
 
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Tell that to the 3 kids in your avatar pic. Teenagers commit suicide all the time using logic like yours. Do you really want to subscribe to that type of thinking?
I teach the oldest about Birthcontrol all the time. He hates kids. I tell him all kids are brats. When he complains about his younger brother. Apparently I do have that logic to thinking. Maybe it came from being foster care. Not all kids survive foster care so well.They aren't shown all this love. So there's no maricle, when it comes to babies, Anyways I like taking pictures, so I guess kids are profitable.To photographers.
 
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I'm sure alot of people with they were never born.

And many were glad to be born and give glory to God for the life they have, and the chance to be alive. What you're talking about doing doesn't even give them that chance.
 
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