Bernie will be the next President of the USA
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republicans have not won the popular vote accept for once, in the last twenty years, but won by the electoral college three times.
Democrats' popular vote edge is growing. Will it make a difference?
thats why if democrats win in 2020 and control both houses, all they need to do is get rid of the electoral college and republicans will lose from then on.
unless a massive media campaign gets out to more people.
I say this as a republican. So I am a bit worried.
but there are prophecies that trump will win in 2020, so not too worried.
Same prophet that prophesied Trumps presidential win, foretells He will win in 2020
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I didn't say you're lying and I don't think you're lying. I do think you have a predisposition to follow a particular political agenda and that that predisposition clouds your judgment and the way you present your case.
Like you, my relatives live there and just happen to know a little bit about what they are saying. They live it every day. Why would I believe your rendering of the Canadian healthcare system when I have over 50 relatives there and not one of them tells me what you are telling me? I know them all my life and I know them personally whereas you're a stranger. My relatives run the gamut from conservatives to liberals and one thing they all agree on is that they would never want anything like the US health care system.
As for costs, where I live (New Jersey) costs as much as or more than most of Canada, and where I work (Manhattan) costs more than anywhere in Canada in every way. Additionally, people live and/or work in NY City have to pay an additional City income tax (myself included just because I work there). So, it's kind of hard for me to empathize when you come along and tell me, "Oh yah our taxes are high, eh? It's hard to make oot a living eh?" meanwhile you never, ever have to worry about health care.
I'm sorry you got cancer but I don't think you appreciate that in the US you may not have had that wait because you likely would have not had insurance that covers it. Waiting a year? Sorry you had to, none of my family who had cancer in Canada had to wait that long, so I don't know what went wrong in your case, but in the US we have people who have to wait AND we have people who can't get care. We have the worst of both worlds. You seem to think that American health insurance guarantees you a bed in a hospital or immediate treatment for anything. It doesn't. But you make that assumption and you use that as your basis for telling me how my healthcare is. Well, I live here, I live it every day. Some Canadian who takes a couple trips to the US really doesn't have any understanding of what we deal with.
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Right now they don't. Once we get rid of the corporate control of the US Government and return it to people like myself then the US Government will much more have my best interest at heart.
I know for sure that the corporations do NOT have my best interests at heart, and of those corporations ESPECIALLY the health insurance companies do NOT have my best interests at heart.
Do you know what a corporations main goal and responsibility is and who it is responsible to? And do you know what the goals of a government of the people, by the people, and for the people are and who such a government is responsible to? It appears you think corporations exist to be our nanny.
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Again, I never said I had cancer, I had to wait for cancer tests. I never said it guarantees you anything and I think you might be taking what I am telling you way too personally. We can all speak about what we like about each others country and I think we best leave it at that, you seem to be quite upset about this and I never meant it to you personally. I also resent the "eh" and "oot" garbage, I dont speak like that and resent the insinuation, Im sure you wouldnt talk to your mothers family in such a disrespectful manner. In fact all I did was speak positively about the US and my many dealings there. Yes, you are right, I havent lived there and do not personally know what you go through nor do you live here and know what I go through here. Best to maybe just leave it at that, I am NOT looking to fight with you regarding this, all I am saying it is not free, anyone says it doesnt come at a price is lying to you. If you want to believe that lie, you are welcome to but if you pay what I pay now, by instituting government healthcare, you WILL pay more than now, so how does that solve your problem? Just a thought.
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No, I'm questioning the ridiculous assertion that Medicare is the best we have.
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Brother, socialist systems never work, look at Venezuela, Puerto Rico, Greece, The UK is almost finnished, France, Spain, and Italy are right behind them.
It always sounds great, but they can't do it without first demonizing a group first. This is how it progresses
1. Demonize the wealthy, and punish them with Tax's...they leave with there wealth, or, transfer it off shore, and retire.
2. Demonize the next group, same thing, until everyone who could leave, has left.
3. Then you have brain drain, and before you know it the only people left are unskilled laborers, there growing families, old age pensioners, drug addicts, and prostitutes.
What this means is no tax base, and since people have forgotten how to work hard, sacrifice, and make good decisions, when the Government can no longer deliver on it's promises you get civil unrest.
This forced a backlash, round up's of trouble makers, pre crime detention, curfews, restrictions on movement and travel, and then it finally leads to total collapse. Just look at Eastern Europe from 1945 to 1991
Socialism always fails, some nations go under quickly, some take a while, but they never fully recover.
It seems innocent enough, but always leads to disaster, and it usually starts with healthcare run by the government.
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Well, I'm glad that you didn't have cancer, then. But you don't really know first hand the experience of being a Canadian with cancer in the Canadian healthcare system, then. My aunt did. So did two other relatives of mine. Their experiences were extremely positive.
Well I resent backhanded compliments like when people say stuff like "Wow, Americans, not very knowledgable but wow I respect your passion!!" But then I guess some people have a double standard and have no problem being offensive while at the same time being offended.
As for my relatives in Canada I have always made fun of their accents (the Canadian accents) and many of them have made fun of my Jersey accent and it's pretty funny to us. Sorry you felt offended, I thought it was funny but not offensive.
Right, but I do know my family who live there and they tell me what they go through there.
But you seem to think that the Canadian healthcare system is my only insight to universal health care. It is not. We have it in the US. The only thing is that in the US it is for people 65 and over, only. It's called Medicare. It is far less expensive than any private health insurance. It is more efficient. There are scarcely ever problems in getting care or getting claims paid. When each of my parents fell ill for periods lasting more than a decade, I was in charge of taking care of their bills, including medical. Medicare made it a breeze. Never any problems other than an occasional minor paperwork issue. When my mother was on dialysis, the bill reflected the cost at $100k a month, and then reflected the cost of Medicare at $33k per month right next to it. It went on to then show the Medicare cost as covered and paid by Medicare.
So, I know from the experiences of my family in Canada that they have a good system and I know from the only universal health care in the US that we have a great system in Medicare. And Medicare covers the highest-risk demographic, the oldest population that requires the most health care. It would become far more efficient if expanded to include the younger demographics which hardly use health care during years that they are generally healthy.
But you seem to want to just not listen to anything and say "well I can tell you Canada healthcare is bad and US healthcare is better". And then you're incredulous when I disagree?
If you're not looking to fight with me about this then why are you continuing to be insulting to me by telling me that I think something is "free"??? I never said anything like that. In fact, I said in an earlier post to you that nobody believes it is "free". But you persist in telling me that it is a "lie" when people say something is "free". Why do you do that? You either are trying to instigate argument or you truly lack reading comprehension. Nobody here, myself included, has contended that Canadian healthcare is "free" and/or that it is better because it is "free".
But you persist with that, every post of yours you pontificate on that point as though someone is saying it. It is a way to try to put words in others' mouth. It's like if I kept asking you in every post, "Yes, but why do you still beat your wife?" So forgive me if it's hard to believe you're not looking to fight when you're continually bringing up a false premise.
You're wrong. I will not pay more than now. I will pay less than now. Just like my parents paid less once they went onto Medicare and got better coverage. You seem to think that paying a little more in taxes is worse than paying thousands more in payments directly to corporations who then try to deny coverage at every turn. You're absolutely wrong about that. You have experienced one style of health coverage, whereas I have experienced both.
Yes, it's not "free". That's why I use terms like "universal" or "government" health care. Not "free" healthcare. There, I've stated it explicitly, again. I hope you will not come back with your refrain of "don't believe the lie of socialism that free stuff is good!!!!"
"Free stuff"... conservative fake news code, means that people are gullible and stupid and selfish and want to just take and take so they support anyone who promises them "free stuff". That is a tired old trope but here you are regurgitating it and then expecting to be taken seriously, and you're upset that I call you out on it. Sorry, but not sorry.
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I like some of Bernie's ideas, but he's weak (caved into bullying BLM protestors to take over his podium...regardless of their good cause, that's weaksauce.. and bullied into conceding to Clinton despite the DNC's obvious rigged antics), not executive material (lifelong congressman) and will be extremely old even if he does win (will be 80 in 2021).
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You should go live in Dubai, or UAE in general - it is not socialist (except for indigenous residents) and completely free market capitalist.
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Can I just add...why do ppl trash the DMV? it’s prob been 20 years since I had a bad experience there. I live in a blue state and we have lots of offices, lines are short, they are very organized and the ppl who work there are friendly and helpful. Is it just an Oregon thing?
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How do you explain Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, Finland, Norway??? They aren't working? They are more socialist than most of the countries you listed (including UK)
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Oh ok. The reason I ask is because I always hear of high taxes as the trade off for health care in Canada and if I'm paying 300 a month for health care that I still have co-pays, monthly prescription costs and out of pocket expenses up to 4000.00 on top of that, I'm wondering how much more the tax increase would be to eliminate all that here in the US.
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It's another overused trope from conservatives. In reality, they change based on how the state chooses to manage them. It is state by state - they are not federally run. In NJ, ours went from terrible to being awesome for many years and then slowly declined to terrible and then came back up 2 governors ago and went back down a little with the last governor. I've had amazingly great experiences and amazingly horrible ones. Plus, in every state they are privatized - private company acting as agent for the government (hence agencies).
But I know what is an Oregon thing (and NJ) - gas must be pumped by an attendant ("full serve")! lol
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