Modern Scholarship in Eschatology

So, what is he stating exactly? (Without watching the videos)

Sanoy said:

The overarching themes are these. He believes mystery Babylon refers to apostate Israel (not Jews themselves) because of the key language used to describe it. (I know that seems shocking at first and it was to me). He believes the beasts in Daniel may serve a dual fulfillment, where the final fulfillment may be a unification of the 4 beasts existing concurrently. That is they are a sequence in Daniels time, but in the end times they will all be concurrent and unified rather than in sequence of existence. But it's not really the overarching theme's that are important, it's the step by step symbols and his use of scholarly works that I found the most valuable. For example look at Hosea 13:7-8.
"So I will pounce on them like a lion;
like a leopard on the path I will lurk.
Like a bear robbed of her cubs, I will attack them,
and I will tear open their chests.
There I will devour them like a lion,
like a wild beast would tear them apart."

I never would have made that connection to Daniel on my own.

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A question: How does this fit into God's principal plan to get as many sinners saved as possible?

Sanoy said:

I'm not sure what you mean. This would be something that takes place around the time of the fullness of the Gentiles.

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If the whole point of the Bible, including Revelation, is to encourage Christians and get sinners saved, how can we apply these principles to share the gospel effectively with those who are on the road to hell and who need to receive Jesus as Saviour?

Chris White, the speaker, is wrong. Jerusalem is not responsible for...

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

...Chris White only focuses on part of that verse and ignores "all that were slain upon the earth"

Mystery Babylon in Revelation 18 is the mystical kingdom of Satan, and the fallen angels.

That kingdom is likened to a great trading city that suddenly gets destroyed.

Babyon, is fallen is fallen is when Michael and his angels cast Satan/his angels down to earth in the middle of the 7 years, as God begins dismantling Satan's kingdom.
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Zechariah 14 prove that Mystery Babylon the Great is not Jerusalem. God fights against those nations who come up against Jerusalem.

Sanoy said:

I'm not really here to defend Chris or be a proponent of a particular view. I just found him to be a resource.
That said the verse Chris uses for this is the end of Matthew 23 where Jesus lays upon the Pharisees specifically "the blood of all that were slain upon the earth".

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!....... Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation."

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Hi Sanoy, I have been through what Chris White says so many times, I can't count them all.

He claims in the second video that it can't be explained the three beasts in Daniel 7 continuing after the fourth beast is destroyed, but their dominion is taken away. However, this is easily explained. The fourth kingdom will not allowed to continue into the millennium.

The nations that made up the territories once making up the other three empires will be allowed to continue - but will be under the rule of the Kingdom of God when Jesus returns to this earth.

In real terms, it means no more EU super state into the millennium. The nations now under it and the current nations upon the earth, Russia, Egypt, Greece, etc will continue into the millennium.

Sanoy said:

Well I would definitely appreciate seeing the other side. I'm sure you don't want to do that again so if you have material in opposition to those videos link it here and I'll check it out later.

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First of all, Chris White throws the term "Antichrist" around for times when the person is no longer in the role of being the Antichrist. That's because he doesn't understand the concept and meaning of Anti- Christ means to be "instead of" and "against" Jesus - the rightful the King of Israel.

In other words, the person is the Antichrist while he has been anointed the King of Israel, perceived by the Jews as the messiah for about 3 years before no longer being accepted by them as their King.

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

Antichrist - the another the Jews, Israel, will embrace as their King of Israel, for a while.

What Chris White doesn't understand is that being the beast - is a different role than being the Antichrist.

The prophecies are based upon the person as (1) the King of the Roman Empire end times (2) the King of Israel.

in sequence... the path of the arch villain of the end times, path to his destruction.

1. little horn, King of the Roman Empire end times, leader of the EU.

2. then prince who shall come - transitional role to becoming the Antichrist King of Israel.

3. then Antichrist - King of Israel

4. then revealed man of sin - transitional role ending his time as the King of Israel, to become the beast

5. then the beast, King of the Roman Empire end times, leader of the EU.

Here is a chart I made of the path that the arch villain of the end times goes through the roles I referred to.

Sanoy said:

I'm not really here to defend Chris or be a proponent of a particular view. I just found him to be a resource.
That said the verse Chris uses for this is the end of Matthew 23 where Jesus lays upon the scribes and Pharisees specifically "the blood of all that were slain upon the earth".

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!....... Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation."

That said this is not Israel, or the Pharisees, but appears to be this apostate group within them that Jesus is speaking to with demonic/serpent seed like identifiers (serpents, den of vipers etc).

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Revelation 18:24 = Matthew 23:35 = Luke 13:33 = Revelation 11:8

The "Great City" of "Babylon" symbolises first century apostate Jerusalem "where the Lord Jesus Christ was crucified".

Here's the rest of it, picking up from when the abomination of desolation image is setup...

Douggg said:

First of all, Chris White throws the term "Antichrist" around for times when the person is no longer in the role of being the Antichrist. That's because he doesn't understand the concept and meaning of Anti- Christ means to be "instead of" and "against" Jesus - the rightful the King of Israel.

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Where might we find that definition of antichrist in scripture?