Reasons why many BACs are spiritually blind

Halbhh · Mar 2, 2019

Der Alter said:
What would have happened had the wayward son not decided to return? The father considered him dead. I knew a Messianic Jew about 4 decades ago, when his parents sat Shiva for him, decided to return to orthodox Judaism.

If the prodigal doesn't respond to the urge/pull to repent/return, then he's still 'dead' so long as that refusal continues. We can't ourselves guess whether some individual still may relent at some future time, and admit the truth of Christ, and whether someone may relent later who looks so gone to our eyes now.

BCsenior · Mar 2, 2019

MDC said:
You are insinuating that from what you mentioned above that Christ loses some of the elect. Therefore saying Gods lying about His promise in losing nothing according to vs 39.

Sorry, but you have some more studying to do.
The elect can choose to fall away, etc.
They are not robots, etc.
Please carefully consider post #8,
and see what you come up with, okay?

BCsenior · Mar 2, 2019

_Dave_ said:
I don't think spiritual blindness, per se, is in effect during most of the doctrinal differences that we experience.
The disagreement about how to interpret Scripture is not a factor of blindness, but a factor of how one CHOOSES to interpret God's Word.

Welcome, Dave, glad you can join us!
Okay, some obviously choose, but some are blind.
(Both types are in the OP.)
E.G. A younger pastor may interpret a verse in a
certain way, but 30 years hence, he sees it in a
totally different light, from a different perspective.
When younger, he was blind to the deeper insight.

Silverback · Mar 2, 2019

BCsenior said:
Perhaps we should start here, even though this verse
is about non-believers who cannot “see” the Truth
of the gospel message:
“Satan, who is the god of this world, has
blinded the minds of those who don’t believe.”
(1 Corinthians 4:4)

Satan can also cause BACs to be “blind” in some areas! He is the greatest liar and deceiver in the history of the world:
“the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
“he is a master of deception and the father of lies!” (John 8:44)

Satan is able to blind some BACs (incl. pastors) from seeing various spiritual truths … OR … there wouldn’t be so many warnings about:
● being deceived
● habitual (unrepentant) sinning
● falling away from the faith
● being estranged from Christ
● falling from grace
● not inheriting the kingdom of God and Christ
● not being allowed into the New Jerusalem
● being blotted out of the Book of Life
● drawing back to perdition, etc.

Apparently, many BACs do NOT “see”
the dire warnings written in the NT.
Some BACs (incl. pastors) DO see them,
but refuse to accept them!

Now let’s look at BACs who REALLY ARE
“blind” to these warnings!

What can cause BACs to be spiritually blind
about God’s warnings?

● HIDDEN WARNINGS ● In the epistles, warnings are “somewhat hidden” amongst everything else including edifications, encouragements, exhortations, etc. Compounding this, Paul usually wrote with extreme tact so he would still be welcome to visit the churches that he founded. Also, the Lord did not want these warnings to upset the babes in Christ.

● ETERNAL SECURITY DOCTRINE ● This popular doctrine has obviously caused many believers to feel dangerously safe and secure. To others, this doctrine has an opposite effect: they have appreciated what God has done for them so much that their enormous love for Him has caused them to be willing to obey His commandments.

● HYPER-GRACE DOCTRINE ● The popular doctrines of hyper-grace, grace-only, etc. teach that BACs have
NO responsibility or accountability for their salvation.
This is obviously false. One simple example of the
many “conditional” type of verses is: “IF you continue
to believe the gospel message I taught you,
you will be saved.” (1 Corinthians 15:1-2).

● DECEIVED PASTORS ● Many pastors are deceived
into believing some of the false doctrines above. These shepherds are failing in their duty to warn their sheep concerning things which are vital to their spiritual well-being! The blood of the sheep who don’t make it
(who have NOT been properly warned about their responsibilities) will be on the hands of their pastors!
(No matter what the pastors’ reasons/excuses are.)

BAC?

BCsenior · Mar 2, 2019

Halbhh said:
If the prodigal doesn't respond to the urge/pull to repent/return, then he's still 'dead' so long as that refusal continues. We can't ourselves guess whether some individual still may relent at some future time, and admit the truth of Christ, and whether someone may relent later who looks so gone to our eyes now.

Yes, brother, we cannot judge IF or WHEN ...
a fallen-away BAC might repent and return to Christ.
But, IF he does not return, he will not be saved.
Ref: Not me, that's for sure! ... But, the NT says so!

MDC · Mar 2, 2019

timothyu said:
Well someone within, turned the church from the Kingdom and rejoined the world of man when church re-aligned with State. They certainly could not teach the opposing Gospel of the Kingdom once having done that.

Ironic that the gospel that nullified the Gospel of the Kingdom, gets nullified.

What?

BCsenior · Mar 2, 2019

Silverback said:
BAC?

Sorry, pal ... everything's a learning process!
BAC = Born Again Christian

MDC · Mar 2, 2019

BCsenior said:
Sorry, but you have some more studying to do.
The elect can choose to fall away, etc.
They are not robots, etc.
Please carefully consider post #8,
and see what you come up with, okay?

So your studying brought you to the conclusion that vs 39 is a lie and by doing so you are trying to convince others that salvation is merited in some way by the works of men. No gospel nor Christ in your message

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 2, 2019

David Cabrera said:
What's BAC?

Silverback said:
BAC?

BCsenior said:
Sorry, BAC = Born-Again Christian

Ahhhh......

BCsenior · Mar 2, 2019

MDC said:
So your studying brought you to the conclusion that vs 39 is a lie and by doing so you are trying to convince others that salvation is merited in some way by the works of men. No gospel nor Christ in your message

You're all hung up on v.39, whatever that is!
One verse is absolutely nothing!
You need to reconcile many dozens of verses!
Hello! ... Are you up for it?
And what do you think of post #8?

BCsenior · Mar 2, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
Ahhhh......

Many thanks for the insightful comments.

_Dave_ · Mar 2, 2019

BCsenior said:
Welcome, Dave, glad you can join us!
Okay, some obviously choose, but some are blind.
(Both types are in the OP.)
E.G. A younger pastor may interpret a verse in a
certain way, but 30 years hence, he sees it in a
totally different light, from a different perspective.
When younger, he was blind to the deeper insight.

Hello BC, I get what you are saying.

I guess what I wrote came out the way it did is because I have a stronger interpretation of what spiritual blindness is. In my thinking it's Satan pulling a veil over someone's eyes. Or, like God did to Pharaoh, hardening his heart. In other words, it's serious salvation-threatening stuff.

I don't believe that someone not seeing the finer nuances of a particular Scripture is spiritual blindness.

I know what you are saying, though. Even some of my favorite Bible mentors teach slightly differently than when they first started. But, I never considered they were spiritually blind, just not as practiced in discerning the finer points of Scripture. That definitely comes with Christian maturity and the right hermeneutic style.

BCsenior · Mar 2, 2019

_Dave_ said:
I guess what I wrote came out the way it did is because I have a stronger interpretation of what spiritual blindness is. In my thinking it's Satan pulling a veil over someone's eyes.

Okay, may we get down to some serious business?
What do you think about someone who cannot "see"
the dire warnings in the NT about losing salvation?
Spiritually blind, or not?

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 2, 2019

BCsenior said:
Okay, may we get down to some serious business?
What do you think about someone who cannot "see"
the dire warnings in the NT about losing salvation?
Spiritually blind, or not?

I have spiritual eye salve....

John 9:
39 And said the Jesus "for judgement I came into this world. That the ones no seeing may be seeing, and the ones seeing blind may be becoming".
41 Jesus said to them "if blind ye were, not ever ye had sin.
Now yet, ye are saying that 'we are seeing', the sin of ye is remaining".

Matthew 15:14
Disregard them! They are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."
Luke 6:39
He also told them this parable: "Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit?

Jesus recommends this for spiritual blindness:

Revelation 3
17 That thou are saying that Rich I am, and I have become rich and not yet one need I am having. And not are aware that thou are the weight-calloused and forlorn and poor and Blind and naked.
18 I am together-advising to thee to buy beside of Me gold, having been fired out of fire, that thou should be being rich, and garments, white, that thou may be being about-cast/clothed and no may be being made manifest the vileness of the nakedness of thee.
And eye-salve to anoint the eyes of thee, that thou may be seeing [Luke 16:19-26/John 9:3

BCsenior · Mar 2, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
I have spiritual eye salve....

Sayin' it ain't the same as havin' it.

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 2, 2019

BCsenior said:
Sayin' it ain't the same as havin' it.

Are you saying I don't have spiritual eyes?

_Dave_ · Mar 2, 2019

BCsenior said:
Okay, may we get down to some serious business?
What do you think about someone who cannot "see"
the dire warnings in the NT about losing salvation?
Spiritually blind, or not?

Personally, no, I don't see it as spiritual blindness. But, that's only my opinion. Others may differ.

I still maintain that someone having a different interpretation of something like OSAS is merely a function of where a person is on the line representing hermeneutic style.

If you want my opinion of what is an example of spiritual blindness it's someone who can't be budged from a full preterism mindset. They have to deny so much of what the real meaning of Scripture is they are literally off the rails on the hermeneutic scale. The only thing that can reach them is for the veil to be removed from their eyes, and that takes a serious intervention by the Holy Spirit.

BCsenior · Mar 2, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
Are you saying I don't have spiritual eyes?

If you don't see the many NT verses
which threaten loss of salvation,
you do NOT have spiritual eyes!

BCsenior · Mar 2, 2019

_Dave_ said:
The only thing that can reach them is for the veil to be removed from their eyes, and that takes a serious intervention by the Holy Spirit.

IMO, your post is not clear.
Are you saying that BACs who do NOT "see" the many
dire warnings in the NT about NOT going to heaven
are spiritually blind, and only the most precious
Holy Spirit is able to reveal the Truth to them?

BCsenior · Mar 2, 2019

Many NT verses prove each of these spiritual truths:
Believers stay righteous by practicing righteousness
Believers stay righteous through their obedience
Believers faith must endure until the end of their lives
Believers keep salvation by repenting of their sins
Believers were chosen and called to live holy lives
Believers must love, forgive, not judge or condemn
Believers must be victorious overcomers
One full page of Scripture verses is available
for almost every one of the above topics.

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