Is a 3rd future Temple needed to fulfill Bible prophecy?

Marilyn C · Mar 1, 2019

claninja said:
Marilyn, you are now saying there is a temple in the New Jerusalem?

From one of your previous posts, you said there is not a temple. can you clarify?

I agree the nations and kings bring glory and honor to the New Jerusalem. I would also say that only those who names are written in the book of life can enter it.

Revelation 21:26-27 And into the city will be brought the glory and honor of the nations. But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who practices an abomination or a lie, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

The tree of life is located in the New Jerusalem
Revelation 22:2 down the middle of the main street of the city. On either side of the river stood a tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit and yielding a fresh crop for each month.

Jesus says to the Churches, that the one who overcomes can eat from the tree of life.
Revelation 2:7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will grant the right to eat from the tree of life in the Paradise of God.

***Thus the church takes part in the New Jerusalem.
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Jesus says to the Churches that the one who overcomes will have the name of New Jerusalem on his forehead.
Revelation 3:12 The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God (the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from My God), and My new name.

***Thus the Church takes part in the New Jerusalem
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Jesus says to the Churches that the one who overcomes will never blotted out from the book of Life.
Revelation 3:5-6 Like them, the one who is victorious will be dressed in white. And I will never blot outb his name from the book of life, but I will confess his name before My Father and His angels.
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Only those whose names are written in the book of life can enter the New Jerusalem.
Revelation 21:27 But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who practices an abomination or a lie, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

***Thus the Church takes part in the New Jerusalem
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based on scripture you can't separate the church from the new Jerusalem. Especially considering that when we use scripture to interpret scripture, The new Jerusalem is the Church

For scripture reveals that:
1.) BOTH the Church and the New Jerusalem are the bride and wife of the lamb
2.) BOTH the church and the New Jerusalem are built on the foundation of the apostles
3.) BOTH the church and the New Jerusalem are where God dwell.

Hi claninja,

I was referring to the temple on earth.

As to Ezekiel`s temple being a foretaste of the New Jerusalem, we see that the glory of the Lord in Ezekiel`s temple is only on the mountaintop in Israel. In the New Jerusalem the glory of the Lord shines forth over all the earth as a light to them.

Also in Ezekiel`s description we see that the river under the temple flows out and waters the land. Trees with different fruit grow for people to eat, and the waters bring healing where ever they flow. Much damage had happened in the tribulation and there is need of healing in rivers, seas and land.
This water flows out when the Lord`s feet touches the Mount of Olives. (Zech. 14: 4 - 8)

In the New Jerusalem the river flows from under the throne of God, bringing health to the people. This we know is the `river of life,` and that is Christ`s own divine nature that is sent forth by God by the Holy Spirit to refresh, energise and give continuous life to the people.

Lots to show a foretaste. Marilyn.

BTW I will address your other points later.

mkgal1 · Mar 1, 2019

Marilyn C said:
Hi jgr,

True, God made the nations, from Noah`s sons, and He also made, by divine intervention another nation, Israel, to rule the other nations.

Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn ~

It seems that you've missed the point made in the passage that jgr posted. The point (that I see) is that God rules over all - and He doesn't show favoritism. The requirements to be called "His" are the same for all (it's not about bloodline, it's not about residency, etc) - those who "fear Him and do what's right".

Your statement is in direct conflict with what I see the text as saying:

Acts 10 ~Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.

jgr · Mar 1, 2019

Marilyn C said:
Hi jgr,

True, God made the nations, from Noah`s sons, and He also made, by divine intervention another nation, Israel, to rule the other nations.

Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn,

All nations were made by God's divine intervention. They could not otherwise have existed and persisted.

From the beginning of Israel's existence, it was, and remains today, a nation comprised of all nations.

So the nations will rule the nations?

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 1, 2019

claninja said: ↑
Marilyn, you are now saying there is a temple in the New Jerusalem?

From one of your previous posts, you said there is not a temple. can you clarify?

Marilyn C said:
Hi claninja,
I was referring to the temple on earth.
As to Ezekiel`s temple being a foretaste of the New Jerusalem, we see that the glory of the Lord in Ezekiel`s temple is only on the mountaintop in Israel. In the New Jerusalem the glory of the Lord shines forth over all the earth as a light to them.

Also in Ezekiel`s description we see that the river under the temple flows out and waters the land. Trees with different fruit grow for people to eat, and the waters bring healing where ever they flow. Much damage had happened in the tribulation and there is need of healing in rivers, seas and land.
This water flows out when the Lord`s feet touches the Mount of Olives. (Zech. 14: 4 - 8)

In the New Jerusalem the river flows from under the throne of God, bringing health to the people. This we know is the `river of life,` and that is Christ`s own divine nature that is sent forth by God by the Holy Spirit to refresh, energise and give continuous life to the people.

Lots to show a foretaste. Marilyn.

Hello Marylyn. A future Ezekiel's Temple has been discussed on a plethora of threads on CF.
[just do thread search for "ezekiel's temple"]

Ezekiel's Millenial Temple That Jesus Will Build

Guide To The Bible said:
See the temple described in Ezekiel chapter 41 beautifully shown in all its glory. This is the temple that Jesus will build with His 144,000 priests and saints at the beginning of His millennial Reign:

LastSeven said:
You must be joking.

LastSeven said:
On the contrary. The more you study, the more you learn to recognize symbolism.

It becomes quite easy actually once you understand the gospel, because anything that doesn't seem to jive is probably symbolic. Take Ezekiel's temple for example. Doesn't jive at all with the gospel. Therefore...

LastSeven said:
You didn't answer the question. Why do you think the temple veil was torn in two when Jesus died?

I'll tell you why. The temple veil was a barrier that the priests had to pass through to come into communion with God, and only the priests were allowed. With Jesus' sacrifice, the barrier to God is gone. We can now come directly to God if Jesus is in us.

So, knowing this, why on earth would God build a physical temple for God to live in? Is he going to stitch up that veil? Did he make a mistake when he tore it in half? Has he changed his mind?

If you don't have a good answer for me, then you might want to reconsider the description of Ezekiel's temple, because something doesn't make sense here.

BABerean2 said: ↑
If you make the temple in Ezekiel 40-48 completely literal, you get a temple court of 500x500 "reeds", or about one square mile. This would be larger than the entire ancient walled city of Jerusalem.
The "holy portion" for the priests would be 40x50 miles. This would cover an area six times the size of greater London today.

Marilyn C · Mar 1, 2019

mkgal1 said:
Hi Marilyn ~

It seems that you've missed the point made in the passage that jgr posted. The point (that I see) is that God rules over all - and He doesn't show favoritism. The requirements to be called "His" are the same for all (it's not about bloodline, it's not about residency, etc) - those who "fear Him and do what's right".

Your statement is in direct conflict with what I see the text as saying:

Acts 10 ~Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.

Hi mkgal,

I did realise what you said, and agree. God does not show favourites, and Israel is to be a blessing to the other nations, it is for them that that nation was made.

Marilyn.

Marilyn C · Mar 1, 2019

jgr said:
Hi Marilyn,

All nations were made by God's divine intervention. They could not otherwise have existed and persisted.

From the beginning of Israel's existence, it was, and remains today, a nation comprised of all nations.

So the nations will rule the nations?

Hi jgr,

The (Gentile) nations come from Noah`s sons, 70 of them. Then we see that from one of Shem`s descendants God divinely intervened and made another nation, Israel.

Marilyn.

jgr · Mar 1, 2019

Marilyn C said:
Hi jgr,

The (Gentile) nations come from Noah`s sons, 70 of them. Then we see that from one of Shem`s descendants God divinely intervened and made another nation, Israel.

Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn,

In common with all of the other nations, Israel began and continued via human procreation, both that of Abraham's seed, and that not of Abraham's seed.

God chose Abraham not because of his own seed, i.e. DNA; but because of his faith. God required the same faith of all of the progeny within Israel, both those of Abraham, and those not of Abraham.

God has never changed His requirement(s).

keras · Mar 1, 2019

Marilyn C said:
Hi keras,

The Gk, word in Rev. 5: 10 is `epi` which means `over.` The Body of Christ will rule OVER the earth NOT on. We are with Christ on His throne in the third heaven, and He certainly does not rule from His `footstool,` the earth.

Marilyn.

Jesus Returns to the earth. He will be King of the world and the Christians who stood firm during all the tough times ahead, will be the ones worthy to rule nations and cities. Acts 1:11, Matthew 24:30-31, +
Your notion of Christians in heaven, is wrong; of what use is that to God?

Marilyn C · Mar 1, 2019

jgr said:
Hi Marilyn,

In common with all of the other nations, Israel began and continued via human procreation, both that of Abraham's seed, and that not of Abraham's seed.

God chose Abraham not because of his own seed, i.e. DNA; but because of his faith. God required the same faith of all of the progeny within Israel, both those of Abraham, and those not of Abraham.

God has never changed His requirement(s).

Hi jgr,

You cannot deny that Israel is a separate nation that had not God intervened it would not exist, even today. If `faith` had only been what God intended then God would not have needed to make the nation of Israel. Abraham would have just had to believe God for the promise of the city. However God had a purpose for the earthly nation, and that was & will be to rule the other nations of the world under God.

Marilyn.

Marilyn C · Mar 1, 2019

keras said:
Jesus Returns to the earth. He will be King of the world and the Christians who stood firm during all the tough times ahead, will be the ones worthy to rule nations and cities. Acts 1:11, Matthew 24:30-31, +
Your notion of Christians in heaven, is wrong; of what use is that to God?

Hi keras,

God desires to have sons, like His Son and that is why He is making up like Christ. We will have spiritual bodies that are fit to be in the third heaven, with the Lord. For where His seat of power is, there we, His Body will be.

You are replacing Israel with the Body of Christ, and that is not scriptural.

Marilyn.

jgr · Mar 1, 2019

Marilyn C said:
Hi jgr,

You cannot deny that Israel is a separate nation that had not God intervened it would not exist, even today. If `faith` had only been what God intended then God would not have needed to make the nation of Israel. Abraham would have just had to believe God for the promise of the city. However God had a purpose for the earthly nation, and that was & will be to rule the other nations of the world under God.

Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn,

We're both well aware that faith and obedience are what God requires.

Those, and nothing else.

Marilyn C · Mar 1, 2019

jgr said:
Hi Marilyn,

We're both well aware that faith and obedience are what God requires.

Those, and nothing else.

Hi jgr,

Faith and obedience for what God has specifically promised - those to the city and those to the Lord`s own throne in the third heaven.

And further still, faith and obedience for those in the nations and Israel, who will be on the New earth.

Marilyn.

keras · Mar 2, 2019

Marilyn C said:
God desires to have sons, like His Son and that is why He is making up like Christ. We will have spiritual bodies that are fit to be in the third heaven, with the Lord. For where His seat of power is, there we, His Body will be.

We Christians will be the sons of the Living God. Romans 9:24-26
But immortal bodies are only given after the Millennium, when the Book of Life is opened. Revelation 20:11-15

Marilyn C said:
You are replacing Israel with the Body of Christ, and that is not scriptural.

Jesus is the true Overcomer, the Israel of God and we, His followers are Israelites by faith. Scripture is quite clear on this. It is your notions that are unscriptural.

Please provide your scriptural proof for people going to heaven. A clear statement, not inferences of assumptions.

jgr · Mar 2, 2019

Marilyn C said:
Hi jgr,

Faith and obedience for what God has specifically promised - those to the city and those to the Lord`s own throne in the third heaven.

And further still, faith and obedience for those in the nations and Israel, who will be on the New earth.

Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn,

As seen previously, Scripture tells us that our faith and obedience is in and to God and His Son exclusively.

No one and nothing else.

Marilyn C · Mar 2, 2019

keras said:
We Christians will be the sons of the Living God. Romans 9:24-26
But immortal bodies are only given after the Millennium, when the Book of Life is opened. Revelation 20:11-15

Jesus is the true Overcomer, the Israel of God and we, His followers are Israelites by faith. Scripture is quite clear on this. It is your notions that are unscriptural.

Please provide your scriptural proof for people going to heaven. A clear statement, not inferences of assumptions.

Hi Keras,

`There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.....we shall be changed. For this corruption must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on IMMORTALITY.` (1 Cor. 15: 44, 52 & 52)

Praise the Lord for we shall have IMMORTALITY!

Remember that the Body of Christ is already in heaven -

`Christ...raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus...` (Eph. 2: 6)

`You have come to Mount Zion.....to the general assembly and church of the first-born who are registered in heaven...` (Heb.12: 22 & 23)

Marilyn.

Marilyn C · Mar 2, 2019

jgr said:
Hi Marilyn,

As seen previously, Scripture tells us that our faith and obedience is in and to God and His Son exclusively.

No one and nothing else.

Hi jgr,

I agree. How wonderful that God has revealed to us our inheritance and also He revealed to the OT saints & to Israel. Do we believe God for our inheritance or disbelieve Him?

Marilyn.

mkgal1 · Mar 2, 2019

Marilyn C said:
Hi mkgal,

I did realise what you said, and agree. God does not show favourites, and Israel is to be a blessing to the other nations, it is for them that that nation was made.

Marilyn.

....but you still seem to be missing the argument. You stated earlier that Israel will rule over other nations - THAT is the crux of our disagreement. It's GOD that rules (now and forever).....and WE that are joined with Him comprise the "Israel of God" - His people - His Kingdom that is "forever without end".

Marilyn C said:
You are replacing Israel with the Body of Christ, and that is not scriptural.

Actually - it is QUITE scriptural. Not replacement - but a continuation (like Keras stated and I quoted below) and I'd even say it's the point of most of the Bible (that He wove together a "kingdom" that is faithful and obedient only to Him - which brings glory to Him on earth). His Kingdom is unlike kingdoms of mankind - which ARE based on family ties and heritage of bloodlines. His Kingdom is based on loyalty and faith (open to ALL).

Ephesians 2:11-14~
One in Christ

Therefore remember that formerly you who are Gentiles in the flesh and called uncircumcised by the so-called circumcision (that done in the body by human hands)— remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

Ephesians 2:19-22 ~
A Temple in the Lord

Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens of the saints and members of God’s household,built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone. In Him the whole building is fitted together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord. And in Him you too are being built together into a dwelling place for God in His Spirit.

keras said:
Jesus is the true Overcomer, the Israel of God and we, His followers are Israelites by faith. Scripture is quite clear on this. It is your notions that are unscriptural.

I agree - well said.

Marilyn C said:
Remember that the Body of Christ is already in heaven -

What?

Are you excluding yourself from the Body of Christ?

Marilyn C · Mar 2, 2019

mkgal1 said:
....but you still seem to be missing the argument. You stated earlier that Israel will rule over other nations - THAT is the crux of our disagreement. It's GOD that rules (now and forever).....and WE that are joined with Him comprise the "Israel of God" - His people - His Kingdom that is "forever without end"

Hi mkgal,

God has purposed that there would be rulership in all areas of His great kingdom, and ALL under Christ, who Himself in under God the Father.

The different realms with their rulership under Christ, are -

1. The third heaven - the Body of Christ.
2. The Universe - The OT saints in the New Jerusalem.
3. The Earth - Israel over the nations.

Marilyn.

keras · Mar 2, 2019

Marilyn C said:
Hi mkgal,

God has purposed that there would be rulership in all areas of His great kingdom, and ALL under Christ, who Himself in under God the Father.

The different realms with their rulership under Christ, are -

1. The third heaven - the Body of Christ.
2. The Universe - The OT saints in the New Jerusalem.
3. The Earth - Israel over the nations.

Marilyn.

This idea is not what the Bible tells us. Perhaps you can tell us what source you use for it; science fiction or maybe just your imagination?

Marilyn C · Mar 2, 2019

keras said:
This idea is not what the Bible tells us. Perhaps you can tell us what source you use for it; science fiction or maybe just your imagination?

Hi keras,

That is a rude personal comment, and as such if we can`t discuss `the truth in love,` (Eph. 4: 15) then it is not edifying to the readers or ourselves.

Marilyn.

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