Is a 3rd future Temple needed to fulfill Bible prophecy?

Is a future Temple in Jerusalem needed to fulfill Bible prophecy?


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claninja

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I can see your reasoning, not that I agree. There is so much detail in Ezekiel`s temple that belongs to the earth - the memorial sacrifices, the prince, (David) giving some of his inheritance to his sons, teaching the people the difference between holy and unholy, and the priests not to eat anything torn by wild animals, etc etc.

I agree that there is much detail in chapters 40-48 of Ezekiel. However, there are so many more details throughout the books of exodus, Leviticus, numbers, and Deuteronomy in regards to tabernacle practices, sacrifices, washings, regulations, feasts, sabbaths, priestly roles and garments, etc.....And yet all these things from the law find their fulfillment in Christ, for they are just the shadow, but Christ the reality.

colossians 2:16-17 Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a festival, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves.

Since the old covenant is gone, we understand that all these detailed ordinances in the books of the law and ezekiel 40-48 are NOT THE REALITIES, but the shadow cast by Christ.


As to the temple in the New Jerusalem, there is not one, for the Lord, by His Holy Spirit is there for people to worship Him. (Rev. 21: 22)

Technically, there is a temple in the new jerusalem.
Revelation 21:22 But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

And using scripture to interpret scripture we can see the New Jerusalem is the Ezekiel temple/city

Revelation reveals that the new Jerusalem is the Ezekiel temple/city where God dwells with his people. BOTH the Ezekiel temple/city and the new Jerusalem 1.) are where God dwells, 2.) have a river flowing from the temple 3.) have fruit on either side of the river that grows each month for healing and 4.) 12 gates with 12 names of the 12 tribes of Israel.


And who are those kings and the nations on the earth at the time of the New Jerusalem?

We can also ask how is there sin outside of the new jerusalem?

Revelation 22:15 But outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.


Because the New Jerusalem is the body of Christ, whether we are on earth (the Lord's footstool) or in heaven (the Lord's throne). And we can still see sin in the world. But thanks be to God who put away and atoned for sin, so that it cannot enter the true body of Christ, the New Jerusalem where we forever dwell with the Lord.
 
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Yes, but you make out those people who come from far away, to be the spiritual Temple.

Good, you read my post and realized I actually, in fact, did NOT "conveniently" leave out Zechariah 6:15.

This is right for the present time, but not for what will happen soon.

So the body of Christ is true temple of God for the present time, but won't be in the future? I disagree. The one who overcomes, God will make a pillar in his temple and he will NEVER LEAVE IT.

Revelation 3:12 The one who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God (the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from My God), and My new name.

Now do I believe God turns a person into a literal pillar in a literal stone temple building? no of course not, this is one of the true spiritual rewards granted by God in the resurrection.

There HAS to be a Temple for the Anti-Christ to sit in. 2 Thessalonians 2:4

Context keras. Was there a physical temple building when Paul wrote 2 Thessalonians? Yes, there was. It stood in Jerusalem until 70 AD.

It will be forever, after the end of the Millennium. This does not preclude a short time; 1260 days, when God will leave it and the Anti-Christ will have control.

The Ezekiel temple is where the Lord dwells with His people FOREVER.

Ezekiel 43:6-7 While the man was standing beside me, I heard someone speaking to me from inside the temple, and He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place for the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the Israelites forever.

Your timelines of 1260 and the antichrist can't fit within the Ezekiel temple, because the Ezekiel temple is where God dwells with His people FOREVER.

We can simply use scripture to interpret scripture to confirm that your interpretation is incorrect, and that revelation reveals that the New Jerusalem is the Ezekiel Temple/City

Revelation reveals that the new Jerusalem is the Ezekiel temple/city where God dwells with his people. Both the Ezekiel temple/city and the new Jerusalem 1.) are where God dwells, 2.) have a river flowing from the temple 3.) have fruit on either side of the river that grows each month for healing and 4.) 12 gates with 12 names of the 12 tribes of Israel.

As we are clearly told by Daniel 9:27, by Paul and other prophesies.

Daniel 9:26-27, can logically NOT be the same temple as the Ezekiel temple. BECAUSE God says the EXEKIEL temple is where he will dwell with Israel FOREVER, while God says the temple in Daniel 9 will be destroyed.

Ezekiel 43:6-7 While the man was standing beside me, I heard someone speaking to me from inside the temple, and He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place for the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the Israelites forever

Daniel 9:26-27 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Itsf end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed. And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week,g and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

Jesus tells us exactly what temple Daniel 9 is referring to, the temple that stood in the first century and was destroyed in 70AD

Luke 21:5-6 And while some were speaking of the temple, how it was adorned with noble stones and offerings, he said, “As for these things that you see, the days will come when there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down

The New Jerusalem won't have a Temple, however it will have a place for the Throne of God and the Lamb. Revelation 22:1

Incorrect because technically, scripture says there will still be a temple:

Revelation 21:22 But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

*** I'll ask again, and hopefully you will directly answer the question: if there is no Ezekiel temple AFTER the millennium how an God dwell in the Ezekiel temple with Israel Forever?
 
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I agree that there is much detail in chapters 40-48 of Ezekiel. However, there are so many more details throughout the books of exodus, Leviticus, numbers, and Deuteronomy in regards to tabernacle practices, sacrifices, washings, regulations, feasts, sabbaths, priestly roles and garments, etc.....And yet all these things from the law find their fulfillment in Christ, for they are just the shadow, but Christ the reality.

colossians 2:16-17 Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a festival, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves.

Since the old covenant is gone, we understand that all these detailed ordinances in the books of the law and ezekiel 40-48 are NOT THE REALITIES, but the shadow cast by Christ.




Technically, there is a temple in the new jerusalem.
Revelation 21:22 But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

And using scripture to interpret scripture we can see the New Jerusalem is the Ezekiel temple/city

Revelation reveals that the new Jerusalem is the Ezekiel temple/city where God dwells with his people. BOTH the Ezekiel temple/city and the new Jerusalem 1.) are where God dwells, 2.) have a river flowing from the temple 3.) have fruit on either side of the river that grows each month for healing and 4.) 12 gates with 12 names of the 12 tribes of Israel.




We can also ask how is there sin outside of the new jerusalem?

Revelation 22:15 But outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.


Because the New Jerusalem is the body of Christ, whether we are on earth (the Lord's footstool) or in heaven (the Lord's throne). And we can still see sin in the world. But thanks be to God who put away and atoned for sin, so that it cannot enter the true body of Christ, the New Jerusalem where we forever dwell with the Lord.

Hi claninja,

Yes the realities are fulfilled in Christ. He fulfilled the Passover, Pentecost Feasts and will fulfil for Israel the `Day of Atonement & feast of Trumpets,`(National deliverance), and final the feast of Tabernacles, where God will dwell with His people in all areas of His great kingdom.

We, the Body of Christ are a heavenly nation and Christ is all in all to us, however while Israel is still on the earth, the feasts God proclaimed for them will be outworked by the Lord.

The New Jerusalem is a city that is made in heaven. (Heb. 11: 16, 12: 22) It is not the Body of Christ but a place for the just men (& women) to reside. They are each mentioned separately in Heb. 12: 22 & 23).

Marilyn.
 
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Yes the realities are fulfilled in Christ. He fulfilled the Passover, Pentecost Feasts and will fulfil for Israel the `Day of Atonement & feast of Trumpets,`(National deliverance), and final the feast of Tabernacles, where God will dwell with His people in all areas of His great kingdom.

Good, so it appears you also recognize that the all the details of the law were not actually the realities themselves, but were merely a shadow cast by Christ.

This right here is how we read scripture, Marilyn. Not through the veiled eyes as the natural man does, but through Christ. This is how we read Ezekiel 40-48. Not through the veiled eyes as old covenant Israel did, but through Christ under the new covenant.

Scripture even gives scripture to confirm the interpretation that the New Jerusalem is the Ezekiel Temple/city

*****Revelation reveals that the new Jerusalem is the Ezekiel temple/city where God dwells with his people. Both the Ezekiel temple/city and the new Jerusalem 1.) are where God dwells, 2.) have a river flowing from the temple 3.) have fruit on either side of the river that grows each month for healing and 4.) 12 gates with 12 names of the 12 tribes of Israel.

We, the Body of Christ are a heavenly nation and Christ is all in all to us,

absolutely agree

however while Israel is still on the earth, the feasts God proclaimed for them will be outworked by the Lord.

I disagree. The old covenant was made obsolete and vanished away. And if the old covenant, which included the feasts, is obsolete and vanished away, then so did feasts. For they are fulfilled in Christ.

Hebrews 8:13 By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

Hebrew 10:8-10 In the passage above He says, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not desire, nor did You delight in them” (although they are offered according to the law). Then He adds, “Here I am, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first to establish the second. And by that will, we have been sanctified through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Colossians 2:16-17 Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a festival, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.


The New Jerusalem is a city that is made in heaven. (Heb. 11: 16, 12: 22)

Agree

It is not the Body of Christ but a place for the just men (& women) to reside.

Using scripture to interpret scripture, we can see that your interpretation is incorrect.

For scripture reveals that:
1.) BOTH the Church and the New Jerusalem are the bride and wife of the lamb
2.) BOTH the church and the New Jerusalem are built on the foundation of the apostles
3.) BOTH the church and the New Jerusalem are where God dwell.

Thus we can see that body of Christ is the New Jerusalem.

Can the unrighteous be a part of the body of Christ? If so, how can they be? The body of Christ is not a building where unbelievers can hide amongst the true believers.


And because of the resurrection, the body of Christ is on the earth and in heaven. As God clearly states the temple is where his throne is and where is feet rest, where he dwells with his people forever.

Ezekiel 43:6-7 While the man was standing beside me, I heard someone speaking to me from inside the temple, and He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place for the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the Israelites forever.

Heaven is God's throne and Earth is his footstool
Acts 7:49 Heaven is My throne and the earth is My footstool.

And we are his temple
2 Corinthians 6:216 we are the temple of the living God

Thus whether we (the body of Christ) are on earth in the flesh (his footstool) or in heaven in the resurrected body (his throne) we are always with the Lord forever.
 
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Good, so it appears you also recognize that the all the details of the law were not actually the realities themselves, but were merely a shadow cast by Christ.

This right here is how we read scripture, Marilyn. Not through the veiled eyes as the natural man does, but through Christ. This is how we read Ezekiel 40-48. Not through the veiled eyes as old covenant Israel did, but through Christ under the new covenant.

Scripture even gives scripture to confirm the interpretation that the New Jerusalem is the Ezekiel Temple/city

*****Revelation reveals that the new Jerusalem is the Ezekiel temple/city where God dwells with his people. Both the Ezekiel temple/city and the new Jerusalem 1.) are where God dwells, 2.) have a river flowing from the temple 3.) have fruit on either side of the river that grows each month for healing and 4.) 12 gates with 12 names of the 12 tribes of Israel.



I disagree. The old covenant was made obsolete and vanished away. And if the old covenant, which included the feasts, is obsolete and vanished away, then so did feasts. For they are fulfilled in Christ.


Hi claninja,

So good we can agree on those truths. Now if we look closely we see that Ezekiel`s temple is in the millennium on earth and a foretaste of the New Jerusalem. This has nothing to do with the Old Covenant under the Law but of the promises to Israel, that they would rule the nations of the world. The Feasts were to reveal what the Lord would do for Israel, what He promised them.

`And it shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the Lord`s house shall be established on the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hill; and people shall flow to it.

Many nations shall come and say, "Come and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us his ways, and we shall walk in His paths." For out of Zion the law (right living) shall go forth, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

He shall judge between many peoples, and rebuke strong nations afar off; they shall beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into pruning-hooks; nations shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.` (Micah 4: 1 - 3)


Marilyn.
 
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Now if we look closely we see that Ezekiel`s temple is in the millennium on earth and a foretaste of the New Jerusalem.

Where does scripture state that the Ezekiel temple is simply a foretaste? In fact scripture doesn't state the Ezekiel temple is a foretaste, but where God will dwell with his people FOREVER

Ezekiel 43:6-7 While the man was standing beside me, I heard someone speaking to me from inside the temple, and He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place for the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the Israelites forever.

Additionally, when we use scripture to interpret scripture, we can see the new Jerusalem is the Ezekiel temple/city

*****Revelation reveals that the new Jerusalem is the Ezekiel temple/city where God dwells with his people. Both the Ezekiel temple/city and the new Jerusalem 1.) are where God dwells, 2.) have a river flowing from the temple 3.) have fruit on either side of the river that grows each month for healing and 4.) 12 gates with 12 names of the 12 tribes of Israel.

This has nothing to do with the Old Covenant under the Law but of the promises to Israel, that they would rule the nations of the world.

A physical temple building would only need to exist under the old covenant. The old covenant is gone, thus no physical temple building is needed.

Unless you believe the old covenant will be reinstated in the future?

The Feasts were to reveal what the Lord would do for Israel, what He promised them.

What they would do through Christ, because he is the fulfillment of them.

colossians 2:16-17 16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a festival, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ
 
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The Feasts were to reveal what the Lord would do for Israel, what He promised them.
Hi Marilyn :wave:

Your entire framework is built on this idea that God had exclusive promises for one group (what you are calling "the Nation of Israel")......but you have yet to define that group of people. You've alluded to it being about DNA....but JGR has shown that from the very beginning (in Genesis 17) it was NEVER about DNA. What about all the people that became part of the Israelites in the beginning that were foreigners? There doesn't seem to have EVER been a "pure bloodline". Ever. So what is the way you're defining this group? We've asked quite a few times (earlier you stated, "through faith and obedience" - but then added a disclaimer that it's ALSO about DNA). So....in order for your assertions to be understood - who ARE these people in the modern day?

I believe "Israel" simply means "the people of God".

MK
 
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Quoting from St Andrews, Greek Orthodox Church:


THE "CHOSEN" PEOPLE OF GOD: AN ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVE

I was recently asked what is the Orthodox Christian perspective regarding the Jewish people as God's "chosen people"?

The theological concept of the "people of God" in Orthodox Christian perspective is highly dependent on the biblical understanding of God's covenant with the people of Israel and the Christian self-understanding as the new Israel.

In the Holy Scripture we read:

"And the Lord has declared this day that you are His people, His treasured possession as He promised, and that you are to keep all his Commands. He has declared that He will set you in praise, fame and honor high above all the nations He has made and that you will be a people holy to the Lord your God, as He promised" (Deut. 26:18-19).

And in another place it is stated that:

"Yet the Lord set His affection on your ancestors and loved them, and He chose you, their descendants, above all the nations--as it is today" (Deut. 10:15).

This is the basis of the Scriptural understanding of God's people where they are set apart to worship God, to obey God's Commandments, and to proclaim God's Truth to the whole world. The Holy Scripture do not intend to promote a racist view of the people of God, but, rather, to draw attention to the universal mission of Israel as the people called by God to bring into the world the Messiah, Jesus Christ. God chose Israel as God's people not for special favor and glorification but to bring God's Light to the "nations," to be the divine messenger and witness to all the peoples of the world. The Christians looked on the people of God as Jesus' disciples, a universal community that was not distinguished according to race or nationality or class or sex, as explicitly stated in the letters of Saint Paul:

"There is neither Jew nor Greek; there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female for you are all one in Christ Jesus." (St. John1:12).

The term "holy people of God" designates the Church, open to all and transcending all barriers between Jews and gentiles. (Romans 15:25-31; I Cor. 16:1)

The Church is the Israel of God, "not a new Israel, but the one and only people of God, Israel in a new face of history, namely, that of Jesus." The Church is all encompassing and provides Divine revelation and salvation to all people and races. One interpreter of Saint Paul makes the point that; "In Jesus there is a new universalism, not a bare transposition from Israel to the Church." Children of God are "all who received Him (Christ), Who believed in His name." (St. John 1:12). "It is faith, this total adherence to the person of Christ, as revealed and expressed through His Name, that makes of us 'children of God'.

The term "people of God" in the Orthodox Church is understood as the members of the body of Christ (the Church), the "Israel of God," the "saints," the "elect," the "chosen race," and the "royal priesthood". In the New Testament, as understood by Orthodox Christians, the "people of God" is the Church as the body of Christ. In the First Epistle (Letter) of Saint Peter it is clearly stated that: "At one time you were not God's people, but now you are His people." ~ The "Chosen" People of God: An Orthodox Perspective
 
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Thanks Mkgal1, good and scripturally correct post #508

*** I'll ask again, and hopefully you will directly answer the question: if there is no Ezekiel temple AFTER the millennium how an God dwell in the Ezekiel temple with Israel Forever?
Your question is of a scathing and derogatory nature.
Basically you ask something we cannot know about, as the prophesies are not perfectly clear, especially when translations differ and are often in error.

I firmly believe that The Israelite people of God, His faithful born again Christians, will build a new Temple to the glory of God in Jerusalem, before Jesus Returns. Many other prophesies support this.
If that is not the case, then Ezekiel 40-48 makes no sense.
 
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I firmly believe that The Israelite people of God, His faithful born again Christians, will build a new Temple to the glory of God in Jerusalem, before Jesus Returns. Many other prophesies support this.
If that is not the case, then Ezekiel 40-48 makes no sense.

Do they build it before of after the soon coming CME?
 
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Do they build it before of after the soon coming CME?
Well. at least you know what it is the Lord will use on His terrible Day of wrath against the nations. A massive explosion of the suns surface will literally fulfil all the plainly described effects of it.

It will be just months after that sudden and unexpected Day, that all the holy Land will be regenerated and ready for every faithful Christian to go there and live as God always wanted His people to be, worshipping Him in a new Temple on Mt Zion. Isaiah 56:1-8

Psalms 60:1-5 You have been displeased and rejected us, now restore us, we pray. You have shaken the Land, it is barren and desolate. Your people are punished, but to those who love and obey You, You have raised a signal, to which they may escape. Save us and help us with Your strong Right Hand, deliver those whom You love.

Acts 3:19-24 Repent, therefore and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out. Then the Lord may grant you a time of recovery.

2 Samuel 7:10-11 I shall place My people, in their own Land and give them peace.

Jeremiah 33:6 & 25 I shall restore the Land. My people will live there. They will shout: “Praise the Lord of hosts, for the Lord is good, His love endures forever”.

Isaiah 32:15-20 A spirit from on high will fall upon them. Happy are His people, living in peace and security.

Isaiah 49:8 I have destined you to be a light to all peoples. On the Day of your deliverance, I came to your aid and restored the Land. Matthew 5:14-16, Isaiah 9:2-3

Isaiah 58:11-12 The Lord will be your guide constantly. He will satisfy your needs and you will be called; the restorer of ruins.

Isaiah 31:2-3 & 28 A people that escaped from the sword, found favour, from afar, He appeared to them. I shall watch over them, to build and plant.

Jeremiah 23:3-4I will bring My sheep back to the Land. I will appoint shepherds to tend them

Ezekiel 34:11-16 & 27 I will gather My sheep and bless them in the Land.... When I rescue My people, they will know that I am the Lord.

Ezekiel 36:8-18 I will settle My people in the Land, Thus they will acknowledge Me as Lord.

Ezekiel 38:8 The Land restored from ruin. My people, gathered and settled there.

Ezekiel 39:27 They will exemplify My holiness for all peoples to see.

Psalm 12:1 The Lord will arise, for His people are oppressed. They will live in safety.

Psalm 29:11 The Lord will give strength to His people and bless them with peace.

Psalm 37:9 For evildoers will be destroyed, while those who trust in the Lord will enjoy prosperity in the Land.

Psalm 69:35-36 God will deliver Zion, His people will possess it and settle there. Those who serve Him and love His Name, will live there.

Psalm 80:19 Restore us, O God, grant us new life and we shall invoke You by name.

Psalm 85:1-3 Lord, You have blessed Your Land.... and turned Your anger away from us.

Psalms 107:1-3 Let those redeemed by the Lord, give thanks, His people, gathered from around the world.

Psalms 147:14 The Lord has brought peace and plenty to His Land. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.
 
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Hi Marilyn :wave:

Your entire framework is built on this idea that God had exclusive promises for one group (what you are calling "the Nation of Israel")......but you have yet to define that group of people. You've alluded to it being about DNA....but JGR has shown that from the very beginning (in Genesis 17) it was NEVER about DNA. What about all the people that became part of the Israelites in the beginning that were foreigners? There doesn't seem to have EVER been a "pure bloodline". Ever. So what is the way you're defining this group? We've asked quite a few times (earlier you stated, "through faith and obedience" - but then added a disclaimer that it's ALSO about DNA). So....in order for your assertions to be understood - who ARE these people in the modern day?

I believe "Israel" simply means "the people of God".

MK

Hi mkgal,

God knows who are the descendants of the nation He made. He did not make them to discard them.

Marilyn.
 
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Where does scripture state that the Ezekiel temple is simply a foretaste? In fact scripture doesn't state the Ezekiel temple is a foretaste, but where God will dwell with his people FOREVER

Ezekiel 43:6-7 While the man was standing beside me, I heard someone speaking to me from inside the temple, and He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place for the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the Israelites forever.

Additionally, when we use scripture to interpret scripture, we can see the new Jerusalem is the Ezekiel temple/city

*****Revelation reveals that the new Jerusalem is the Ezekiel temple/city where God dwells with his people. Both the Ezekiel temple/city and the new Jerusalem 1.) are where God dwells, 2.) have a river flowing from the temple 3.) have fruit on either side of the river that grows each month for healing and 4.) 12 gates with 12 names of the 12 tribes of Israel.



A physical temple building would only need to exist under the old covenant. The old covenant is gone, thus no physical temple building is needed.

Unless you believe the old covenant will be reinstated in the future?



What they would do through Christ, because he is the fulfillment of them.

colossians 2:16-17 16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a festival, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ

Hi claninja,

The nation of Israel will rule the nations of the world on the new earth. There will be a temple there for the Lord`s glory, for Him to dwell with His people. Those nations and kings are also able to go up into the New Jerusalem and bring their glory and honour into it.

`And the nations....and kings of the earth....shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.`(Rev. 21: 24 - 26)

We, the Body of Christ are NOT an earthly people, but a heavenly nation, and we will be in the very presence of the Lord Himself.

Marilyn.
 
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God knows who are the descendants of the nation He made. He did not make them to discard them.
He scattered them among the nations and they are now represented by every faithful, born again Christian.
Those people who are citizens of the Jewish State of Israel are not true Israelites, only .05%, the remnant =Messianic Jews are.
We, the Body of Christ are NOT an earthly people, but a heavenly nation, and we will be in the very presence of the Lord Himself.
Disproved by Revelation 5:9-10
 
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Hi mkgal,

God knows who are the descendants of the nation He made. He did not make them to discard them.

Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn,
God knows who are the descendants of every nation He made. He did not make them to discard them.

Acts 10
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
 
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Your question is of a scathing and derogatory nature.

I'm asking you to reconcile a contradiction that you are creating with your interpretation. This is how debates work. You provide evidence for your belief. Then someone challenges that evidence and interpretation of said evidence. Just because you can't provide a proper answer to that challenge doesn't mean it's "scathing or derogatory".

See eschatology forum statement of purpose for how discussions work.
"When you disagree, address the content of the post and not the poster.
When you disagree with someone's position, you should post evidence and supporting statements for your position. This policy, sometimes referred to as "X means Y because of Z", must be followed especially when posting claims that are widely considered to be controversial."

So that's exactly what I did in response to you.

You posted the claim that the Ezekiel temple occurs in the millennium but no longer exists after the millennium.

I then asked you to reconcile that contradiction. If the Ezekiel temple no longer exists after the millennium, how can God dwell FOREVER with his people in the Ezekiel temple?

Ezekiel 43:6-7 While the man was standing beside me, I heard someone speaking to me from inside the temple, and He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place for the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the Israelites forever.

Additionally, I provided even more evidence that the New Jerusalem is the Ezekiel Temple using scripture to interpret scripture.

Revelation reveals that the new Jerusalem is the Ezekiel temple/city where God dwells with his people. Both the Ezekiel temple/city and the new Jerusalem 1.) are where God dwells, 2.) have a river flowing from the temple 3.) have fruit on either side of the river that grows each month for healing and 4.) 12 gates with 12 names of the 12 tribes of Israel.

Basically you ask something we cannot know about, as the prophesies are not perfectly clear, especially when translations differ and are often in error.

Keras, if we use scripture to interpret scripture, we can see that the New Jerusalem is the Ezekiel Temple/City:

1.)BOTH the New Jerusalem and the Ezekiel temple have a river flowing from it that bears fruit each month for healing.

revelation 22:1-2 Then the angel showed me a river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the main street of the city. On either side of the river stood a tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit and yielding a fresh crop for each month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

Ezekiel 47:1 Then the man brought me back to the entrance of the temple, and I saw water flowing from under the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was coming down from under the south side of the temple, south of the altar.

Ezekiel 47:12 Along both banks of the river, fruit trees of all kinds will grow. Their leaves will not wither, and their fruit will not fail. Each month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will be used for food and their leaves for healing.

2.) BOTH the New Jerusalem and the City in Ezekiel have 12 gates with 12 tribes of Israel inscribed on them
Revelation 21:12 The city had a great and high wall with twelve gates inscribed with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel

Ezekiel 38:30-34 Beginning on the north side, which measures 4,500 cubits long, the gates of the city will be named after the tribes of Israel. On the north side there will be three gates: the gate of Reuben, the gate of Judah, and the gate of Levi. On the east side, which will be 4,500 cubits long, there will be three gates: the gate of Joseph, the gate of Benjamin, and the gate of Dan. On the south side, which will be 4,500 cubits long, there will be three gates: the gate of Simeon, the gate of Issachar, and the gate of Zebulun. And on the west side, which will be 4,500 cubits long, there will be three gates: the gate of Gad, the gate of Asher, and the gate of Naphtali.


3.) BOTH the New Jerusalem and the Ezekiel temple are where God dwells.
Revelation 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will live with them.

Ezekiel 43:7 7and He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place for the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the Israelites forever

I firmly believe that The Israelite people of God, His faithful born again Christians, will build a new Temple to the glory of God in Jerusalem, before Jesus Returns.

You are allowed to believe that, but what new testament passage teaches you to interpret scripture this way?

Many other prophesies support this.

What new testament interpretation of those prophecies support your interpretation of a physical brick and mortar future temple building, that Christians will build?

If that is not the case, then Ezekiel 40-48 makes no sense.

If you believe the old covenant still exists between national Israel and God and that the laws and regulations of temple worship are the true reality, then I understand your argument.

However, if you believe the old covenant ended and the New covenant is now in its place, I'm not understanding how Ezekiel 40-48 makes no sense.

The laws, regulations, sacrifices, clothing, washings, etc.. are detailed in the law of moses for temple worship UNDER THE OLD COVENANT.

However, the author of Hebrews states the law is only a shadow, NOT THE REALITY
Hebrews 10:1 For the law is only a shadow of the good things coming, not the realities themselves.

Paul states that the law is only a shadow of Christ.
Colossians 2:16-17 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

So when we, now under the new covenant, read through the Law, we should understand that it had an immediate context (type) for Israel, but its true reality is found in Christ (antitype).

The Ezekiel 40-48 should be read in that same way. It had an immediate context for Israel under the old covenant (type), but its true reality is found fulfilled in Christ (antitype).


A physical brick and mortar temple building with all its sacrifices, regulations, washings, etc only serves a purpose under the OLD COVENANT. It serves no purpose under the new covenant, for we are the temple of the living God.
 
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The nation of Israel will rule the nations of the world on the new earth. There will be a temple there for the Lord`s glory, for Him to dwell with His people.

Marilyn, you are now saying there is a temple in the New Jerusalem?

From one of your previous posts, you said there is not a temple. can you clarify?

As to the temple in the New Jerusalem, there is not one, for the Lord, by His Holy Spirit is there for people to worship Him. (Rev. 21: 22)

Those nations and kings are also able to go up into the New Jerusalem and bring their glory and honour into it.

I agree the nations and kings bring glory and honor to the New Jerusalem. I would also say that only those who names are written in the book of life can enter it.

Revelation 21:26-27 And into the city will be brought the glory and honor of the nations. But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who practices an abomination or a lie, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

We, the Body of Christ are NOT an earthly people, but a heavenly nation, and we will be in the very presence of the Lord Himself.


The tree of life is located in the New Jerusalem
Revelation 22:2 down the middle of the main street of the city. On either side of the river stood a tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit and yielding a fresh crop for each month.

Jesus says to the Churches, that the one who overcomes can eat from the tree of life.
Revelation 2:7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will grant the right to eat from the tree of life in the Paradise of God.

***Thus the church takes part in the New Jerusalem.
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Jesus says to the Churches that the one who overcomes will have the name of New Jerusalem on his forehead.
Revelation 3:12 The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God (the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from My God), and My new name.

***Thus the Church takes part in the New Jerusalem
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Jesus says to the Churches that the one who overcomes will never blotted out from the book of Life.
Revelation 3:5-6 Like them, the one who is victorious will be dressed in white. And I will never blot outb his name from the book of life, but I will confess his name before My Father and His angels.
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Only those whose names are written in the book of life can enter the New Jerusalem.
Revelation 21:27 But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who practices an abomination or a lie, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

***Thus the Church takes part in the New Jerusalem
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based on scripture you can't separate the church from the new Jerusalem. Especially considering that when we use scripture to interpret scripture, The new Jerusalem is the Church

For scripture reveals that:
1.) BOTH the Church and the New Jerusalem are the bride and wife of the lamb
2.) BOTH the church and the New Jerusalem are built on the foundation of the apostles
3.) BOTH the church and the New Jerusalem are where God dwell.
 
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Additionally, I provided even more evidence that the New Jerusalem is the Ezekiel Temple using scripture to interpret scripture.
The Temple is plainly an actual building for the worship of God, built before Jesus Returns.
The New Jerusalem is a city, which comes to the earth after the Millennium.
The Temple may still be here after the Millennium, but it will be superseded by the holy City. Revelation 21:1 They are two different things at different times and cannot be the same.
A physical brick and mortar temple building with all its sacrifices, regulations, washings, etc only serves a purpose under the OLD COVENANT. It serves no purpose under the new covenant, for we are the temple of the living God.
How do you know what God requires?
There are prophesies that tell of offerings and sin sacrifices made in the new Temple; Isaiah 56:6-7, Ezekiel 45:20, Jeremiah 33:18, Zechariah 14:21, +
 
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He scattered them among the nations and they are now represented by every faithful, born again Christian.
Those people who are citizens of the Jewish State of Israel are not true Israelites, only .05%, the remnant =Messianic Jews are.

Disproved by Revelation 5:9-10

Hi keras,

The Gk, word in Rev. 5: 10 is `epi` which means `over.` The Body of Christ will rule OVER the earth NOT on. We are with Christ on His throne in the third heaven, and He certainly does not rule from His `footstool,` the earth.

Marilyn.
 
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Hi Marilyn,
God knows who are the descendants of every nation He made. He did not make them to discard them.

Acts 10
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Hi jgr,

True, God made the nations, from Noah`s sons, and He also made, by divine intervention another nation, Israel, to rule the other nations.

Marilyn.
 
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