Is it wrong that I keep Shabbat and do not "go to church" on Sunday?

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Why do you suppose the Apostles didn't understand that concept?

Galatians 5:1
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

Acts 15:10
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?

Check out my new thread:
Is "Freedom" only an abstract word and does it vary from person to person?

Let's discuss freedom!
 
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There is no proof that Adam kept the Sabbath.

Other than the fact that Christ said the Sabbath was "made for mankind" Mark 2:27 and the fact that God points us to Genesis 2:1-3 for the Sabbath Commandment of Ex 20:11.

So if we could ignore the Bible in those place we could say there is no evidence of it

How "nice" that even the Sunday scholarship freely admits that the Sabbath commandment began in Eden.
 
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Revelation 15:5
"After this I looked, and I saw in heaven the temple—that is, the tabernacle of the covenant law—and it was opened."

Rev 11
18 And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”
19 And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm.


Is that the source of the blessings you have been talking about?
Let's continue reading.

Revelation 15:6-8
Out of the temple came the seven angels with the seven plagues. They were dressed in clean, shining linen and wore golden sashes around their chests. 7 Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls filled with the wrath of God, who lives for ever and ever. 8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no one could enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.

Yes the Sanctuary in heaven IS the source of blessing we are talking about.

Hebrews 8:1-6
Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, not man. 3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices; so it is necessary that this high priest also have something to offer. 4 Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest at all, since there are those who offer the gifts according to the Law; 5 who serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things, just as Moses was warned by God when he was about to erect the tabernacle; for, “See,” He says, “that you make all things according to the pattern which was shown you on the mountain.” 6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.

Heb 12 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Heb 4
14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. 16 Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace,

Tone said:
It's in heaven, so it is Holy.

The plagues are on the earth..

Amen

Why did you post this then?
Revelation 15:5
"After this I looked, and I saw in heaven the temple—that is, the tabernacle of the covenant law—and it was opened."

<crickets....>
 
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Other than the fact that Christ said the Sabbath was "made for mankind" Mark 2:27 and the fact that God points us to Genesis 2:1-3 for the Sabbath Commandment of Ex 20:11.

So if we could ignore the Bible in those place we could say there is no evidence of it

How "nice" that even the Sunday scholarship freely admits that the Sabbath commandment began in Eden.
If you argue based on words alone either Moses or Jesus isn't telling the truth.
 
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How can you have God's GRACE without God's LAW? It is God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that leads to Grace. It is because we are all sinners and God's LAW gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and shows us that we are all sinners in need of Salvation. God's GRACE is God's LOVE revealed in JESUS and God's plan of salvation to save us from our sins revealed through his WORD. Many do not know what Grace is for but God's WORD makes it very clear.
Simple. Grace invalidates the law. There's no grace of any sort in the law.
 
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Simple. Grace invalidates the law. There's no grace of any sort in the law.

Now brother quoting a small section of the post provided to you does not make God's WORD disappear.

How can you have God's GRACE without God's LAW? It is God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that leads to Grace. It is because we are all sinners and God's LAW gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and shows us that we are all sinners in need of Salvation. God's GRACE is God's LOVE revealed in JESUS and God's plan of salvation to save us from our sins revealed through his WORD. Many do not know what Grace is for but God's WORD makes it very clear.

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Grace is linked to mercy and peace from God the farther and from JESUS in love and truth.

2 JOHN 1:3 [3] Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

ROMANS 1:5 [5], By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

We are to grow in God's GRACE and the KNOWLEDGE of our LORD JESUS CHRSIT.

2 PETER 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen. *2 PETER 1:2

We do this by seeking JESUS to be our teacher and continuing in God's WORD.

JOHN 14:26 [26], But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.

JOHN 8:31-36
[31], Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed;
[32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
[33], They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, You shall be made free?
[34], Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Whoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
[35], And the servant stays not in the house for ever: but the Son stays ever.
[36], If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.

TITUS 2:11-12 [11], FOR THE GRACE OF GOD HAS APPEARED BRINGING SALVATION TO ALL MEN, [12], TEACHING US, THAT, DENYING UNGODLINESS AND WORLDLY JUSTS, WE SHOULD LIVE SOBERLY, RIGHTOUESLY AND GODLY IN THIS PRESENT WORLD

ROMANS 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? SHALL WE SIN [break any one of God's 10 commandments], THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND? God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

ROMANS 6:15-17 What then? SHALL WE SIN BECAUSE WE ARE NOT UNDER LAW BUT UNDER GRACE? GOD FORBID! [16] Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of SIN RESULTING IN DEATH, or of OBEDIENCE resulting in righteousness?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

God's GRACE is given to us because all of us have sinned and are sinners (broken God's 10 Commandments) and the wages of SIN is death *ROMANS 3:23; ROMANS 5:12; ROMANS 6:23.

ROMANS 8:3-4
[3], For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: [4], THAT THE RIGHTOUESNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

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WORD MEANINGS OF GRACE

GRACE GREEK WORD
χάρις; charis khar'-ece From G5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude): - acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace (-ious), joy liberality, pleasure, thank (-s, -worthy).

GRACE HEBREW WORD
חן; chên khane From H2603; graciousness, that is, subjectively kindness, favor or objectively (beauty): - favour, grace (-ious), pleasant, precious, [well-] favoured.

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CONCLUSION: Grace is unmerited favour leading to a change of behaviour. God's GRACE IS FOR OBEDIENCE to GOD'S WORD in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW it to save us from our sins and the penalty of sin (death) and our sinful nature through our LORD JESUS CHRIST! It is God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that leads to God's Grace. There is no GRACE without God's LAW because without God's LAW there is no knowledge of what SIN is.

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

Hope this helps.
 
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Can you expand on that thought? What are you comparing?
Sure

MK 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Ex 13:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

The context of MK 2:27 is Jesus speaking to Jews only. Therefore Jesus is saying the sabbath was created for Israel, not all men. If that isn't true then one of the 2 people above are misrepresenting God. That would also mean the sabbath has no special significance to Israel if every one is supposed to keep it.
 
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Now brother quoting a small section of the post provided to you does not make God's WORD disappear.
There's no purpose of quoting your whole post for a single point. I don't publish your stuff.
 
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MK 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Ex 13:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

The context of MK 2:27 is Jesus speaking to Jews only. Therefore Jesus is saying the sabbath was created for Israel, not all men. If that isn't true then one of the 2 people above are misrepresenting God. That would also mean the sabbath has no special significance to Israel if every one is supposed to keep it.

Under the NEW COVENANT God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL then we have no part in the NEW COVENANT. Gentiles are now grafted it *ROMANS 11:13-27.

GOD'S ISRAEL ARE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD (The Church)

There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore. All who believe and follow God's Word are one in Christ. Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham. In the NEW COVENANT, if you are in Christ then you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise...

EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

[12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

and again...

JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Paul proclaims it here...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD.

If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12).

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CONCLUSION: God's ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. GENTILES are now grafted in. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.
 
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The context of MK 2:27 is Jesus speaking to Jews only. Therefore Jesus is saying the sabbath was created for Israel, not all men. If that isn't true then one of the 2 people above are misrepresenting God. That would also mean the sabbath has no special significance to Israel if every one is supposed to keep it.
Yup, you got it.
Those who quote Mk2:27 use it to claim that the Sabbath is for everyone.
That and the reference in Gen.2 about the "day" itself being Holy. (for everyone) Not what it means when compared with the rest of the Bible. Interestingly, they never talk about the REAL POINT Jesus was making, which is that MAN was not MADE for the Sabbath. That's the punchline.

MK 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
 
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Under the NEW COVENANT God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL then we have no part in the NEW COVENANT. Gentiles are now grafted it *ROMANS 11:13-27.
As I've said before you miss a few words in your reference - in among them. Also to come to your conclusion you obviously missed Eph 2:19. Israel is never called saints. We Christian gentiles don't now have part of the commonwealth of Israel.
 
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Israel is never called saints. We Christian gentiles don't now have part of the commonwealth of Israel.

You have to deny or ignore a lot of scripture to believe that (see post # 431 linked). Who are these scriptures referring to in the OLD TESTAMENT below?

*There is a hint in one of the scriptures can you find it?

DEUTERONOMY 33:2-3 [2] And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir to them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. [3] Yes, he loved the people; all his saints are in your hand: and they sat down at your feet; every one shall receive of your words.

1 SAMUEL 2:9 [9] He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in darkness; for by strength shall no man prevail.

2 CHRONICLES 6:41 [41], Now therefore arise, O LORD God, into your resting place, you, and the ark of your strength: let your priests, O LORD God, be clothed with salvation, and let your saints rejoice in goodness.

JOB 5:1 [1], Call now, if there be any that will answer you; and to which of the saints will you turn?

PSALMS 16:3 [3], But to the saints that are in the earth, and to the excellent, in whom is all my delight.

PSALMS 30:4 [4], Sing to the LORD, O you saints of his, and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.

PSALMS 31:23 [23], O love the LORD, all you his saints: for the LORD preserves the faithful, and plentifully rewards the proud doer.

PSALMS 37:28 For the LORD loves judgment, and forsakes not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.

PSALMS 50:5 Gather my saints together to me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.

PSALMS 52:9 I will praise you for ever, because you have done it: and I will wait on your name; for it is good before your saints.

PSALMS79:2 The dead bodies of your servants have they given to be meat to the fowls of the heaven, the flesh of your saints to the beasts of the earth.

PSALMS 85:8 I will hear what God the LORD will speak: for he will speak peace to his people, and to his saints: but let them not turn again to folly.

PSALMS 89:5 And the heavens shall praise your wonders, O LORD: your faithfulness also in the congregation of the saints.

PSALMS 89:7 God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about him.

PSALMS 97:10
You that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserves the souls of his saints; he delivers them out of the hand of the wicked.

PSALMS 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.

PSALMS 132:9 Let your priests be clothed with righteousness; and let your saints shout for joy.

PSALMS 132:16 I will also clothe her priests with salvation: and her saints shall shout aloud for joy.

PSALMS 145:10 All your works shall praise you, O LORD; and your saints shall bless you.

PSALMS 148:14 He also exalts the horn of his people, the praise of all his saints; even of the children of Israel, a people near to him. Praise you the LORD.

PSALMS 149:1 Praise you the LORD. Sing to the LORD a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints.

PSALMS 149:5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud on their beds.

PSALMS 149:9 To execute on them the judgment written: this honor have all his saints. Praise you the LORD.

PROVERBS 2:8 He keeps the paths of judgment, and preserves the way of his saints.

DANIEL 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

DANIEL 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

DANIEL 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

DANIEL 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

DANIEL 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

I choose to BELIEVE God's WORD how about you *ROMANS 3:4?

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you and there is a lot of it.
 
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Yup, you got it.
Those who quote Mk2:27 use it to claim that the Sabbath is for everyone.
That and the reference in Gen.2 about the "day" itself being Holy. (for everyone) Not what it means when compared with the rest of the Bible. Interestingly, they never talk about the REAL POINT Jesus was making, which is that MAN was not MADE for the Sabbath. That's the punchline. MK 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

It is JESUS and God's WORD alone that says that the SABBATH was made for ALL manlind. The scripture says;

MARK 2:27 [27], And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.

The GREEK word used here for man is ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos From G435 and ὤψ ōps (the countenance ; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man.

JESUS is saying that the SABBATH was made for mankind or human beings.

There was no JEWS or ISRAEL or SIN when the Sabbath was made for mankind GENESIS 2:1-3

Hope this helps.
 
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There is no proof that Adam kept the Sabbath.
On what day was he created? On what day did God rest?
Were there six days of work before the "Sabbath" for Adam? (nope)
How does that work? (no pun intended)

Yeshua said man was created first and then the Sabbath for him. Adam was created on the 6th day. You figure it out...
 
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Why do you suppose the Apostles didn't understand that concept?

Galatians 5:1
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

Acts 15:10
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?

Justification through obedience is quite different than it by grace.
 
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Everything the Bible says about the Sabbath it says to the Israelites.
Were you a slave in Egypt?

Deuteronomy 5:15
Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

Me personally, no. No one alive today was. But I remember it...you seem to forget Genesis :)
 
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I asked you, "What is your motivation for following the law in grace?"
You replied: "Because I love the Almighty and He loves me. It is now written on my heart..."
I asked: "What does that say about me?"
Now you say you aren't saying that at all?

No, I was responding to your comment saying favorites...
 
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