Douggg said:
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You should talk to the Jews (Judaism) about their view of what they call the final redemption being all of the Jews being brought back to the land of Israel.
They don't read our/their NT or Revelation
Their view appears somewhat flawed.
Acts 13
27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
Good verse.
Jesus refers to them in this covenantle parable/story in Luke 16.
Note
who the "rich man" is calling out to:
Kindgdom Bible Studies Template Page
Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
LUKE 16:2
27 "Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, 28 for I have
five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' "
29 "
Abraham said to him, '
They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' "
30 "And he said, 'No!
father Abraham;
but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
31 But he said to him,
'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets,
neither will they be persuaded
though one rise from the dead.' "
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The fact that the rich man has
five brothers is a vital clue to his true symbolic identity.
Judah, the progenitor of the Jews, was the son of Jacob through Leah (Gen. 29:35). He had five full-blooded brothers: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, and Zebulun (Gen. 35:23).
While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of
the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking.
They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable.
This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!
If the
Pharisees and scribes understood Yeshua's prophetic parable, it must have astonished and infuriated them.
How could the Jews become alienated from God while the elect Gentiles became the "seed of Abraham"?
The implication that the House of Judah and those called from the Gentile nations were to
change places would have been almost impossible for the Pharisees and scribes to believe.
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And the veil of Moses:
2 Corinthians 3: 12
12 Having, then, such hope, we use much freedom of speech,
13and [are] not as Moses, who was putting a
veil<2571> upon his own face, for the
sons of Israel not stedfastly to look to the end of that which is being made useless,
14 but their minds were hardened,
for unto this day the same veil<2571> at the reading of the Old Covenant doth remain unwithdrawn —
which in Christ is being made useless —
15 but till to-day,
when Moses is read, a veil<2571> upon their heart doth lie,
16 and whenever
they may turn unto the Lord,
the veil<2571> is taken away.
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The OC Jews really need to read Revelation [as well as the rest of the NT, and the veil will be removed and they will rejoicing
Revelation 1:1
An un-veiling/revealing<602> of Jesus Christ, which gives to him, the God, to show to the bond-servants of Him which-things is binding to be becoming
in swiftness.
And He signifies-it, commissioning thru the messenger of Him, to the bond-servant of Him, John.
602. apokalupsis from 601;
disclosure:--appearing, coming, lighten, manifestation, be revealed, revelation.
575. apo apo' a primary particle;
"off," i.e. away (from something near),
2572. kalupto kal-oop'-to akin to 2813 and 2928; to cover up (literally or figuratively):--cover, hide.
2571. kaluma kal'-oo-mah from 2572; a cover, i.e. veil:--vail.