Should we listen or learn from Christians who are millionaires?

Should we take advice from Christians who are millionaires?


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I believe, even if in spirit we reject it, we are stuck with the world we have created in our own image (thus reaping what we sow) until we check into the Kingdom and the circumstances are changed. :)

You speak using foggy words that are not clear. Basically it sounds like you disagree. If so, then you need to explain the verses I presented in clear and easy way for others to understand using the Bible.
 
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It is all subjective..... I dont feel that I can retire with 5mill......I would need at least 30mill before I would say I can comfortably be able to never work again for someone else.....and still be able to do the things I like to do while i was working.

If you are old and have little expenses and no health issues, then maybe 5mill would be enough....especially if you do not desire to give to others...

And all this is unrelated to salvation.....Since the gift cannot be brought with moneys received or money you refuse to receive.

I dont desire for you to be poor or rich.....I want for you to have what you desire....and see no fault in whatever that desire is..
30million to retire????Wow
Another person joking I presume
 
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I believe I am a fun loving person and I joke around (in a clean way) many times (Especially with my co-workers). But when it comes to spiritual matters, I try to be a little more serious and careful because we are in a spiritual battle, and I do not want to mislead people down the wrong path by joking (unless I say "joke" or it is clearly obvious to all that I am joking). For I would not want to accidentally mislead anyone.
Yes, I agree, its simple to put a ;) if you MUST joke.
 
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30million to retire????Wow
Another person joking I presume
Not at all. I like to give....so I have to make sure I will have enough to give for life without working.....then there is insurance and family and college tuitions etc. Sure it is easy to work a little, give a little, make a little. I prefer to make a lot and give a lot.
 
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Not at all. I like to give....so I have to make sure I will have enough to give for life without working.....then there is insurance and family and college tuitions etc. Sure it is easy to work a little, give a little, make a little. I prefer to make a lot and give a lot.

God is concerned with obedience and not in outward performance score cards on our terms. The carnal mind may think they can change the world and that is helping God, but in God's eyes He wants obedience to His Word by faith.

For if the Lord is telling believers in the New Covenant to not put treasure here on this Earth (and that means wealth, riches, money, etc.), then that means we cannot live lavishly or set aside an insane amount of money with the hope that we may do good with that money in the future on our own terms. God is not interested in us having a financial security blanket. God is concerned with us trusting in what He says. We are to seek first the kingdom of God and all our needs will be provided for. God does not require us to provide college tuitions, and or other great things on a massive scale. Sure, maybe we can set up a huge charity to help the poor on the streets and educate them about the gospel and in living for Christ, but we should be legally restricted in having any access to changing that charity's funds to make ourselves rich in any way. We as believers need to be crazy wildly careful if we truly are desiring to obey the Lord Jesus Christ on His own terms and not our own.

But no doubt giving up extreme wealth is something that is not appealing to you. I mean, I get it. Our rational carnal mind cannot understand why God would make us to suffer financially. But God's ways are not always our ways. Also, if the Bible never said things like.... do not put your treasure here upon this Earth, or flee in being rich [a paraphrase of 1 Timothy 6:9 and 1 Timothy 6:11], then I would be like... okay, maybe you could be right. Do what thou will. But the Bible does make it clear under the NT that we cannot be rich in this life. For we cannot be our own lords and masters. We are bought and paid for with a price.
 
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There is nothing wrong with parents setting aside money for their children's education.
There is nothing wrong with saving for retirement. Case in point, I have two 401ks and an IRA.

The money in the 401ks is money that I've legitimately earned as part of my weekly pay, but I'm having it set aside and my employers have matched part of it, because I hope to retire some day. God willing, that's 20 or so years from now. Sorry if you think it's wrong for anyone to do that, it's just prudent and makes fiscal sense.

I have to say that I rolled my eyes when you said that God would want us to suffer financially and live paycheck to paycheck. Sorry, I just don't buy that, just like I don't believe we can't be rich in this life. I know I'll never have a million dollars, but even if I end up with that when I'm in my 60's, or anyone else for that matter, so what?

You dismissed the verse from Proverbs out of hand, but there is truth in it:

Proverbs 22:2
The rich and the poor meet together; the LORD is the Maker of them all.

It's a verse from the Wisdom literature. Last time I checked, that didn't have anything to do with animal sacrifices, or any of the other ceremonial laws. There's absolutely no connection.
 
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There is nothing wrong with parents setting aside money for their children's education.
There is nothing wrong with saving for retirement. Case in point, I have two 401ks and an IRA.

The money in the 401ks is money that I've legitimately earned as part of my weekly pay, but I'm having it set aside and my employers have matched part of it, because I hope to retire some day. God willing, that's 20 or so years from now. Sorry if you think it's wrong for anyone to do that, it's just prudent and makes fiscal sense.

I have to say that I rolled my eyes when you said that God would want us to suffer financially and live paycheck to paycheck. Sorry, I just don't buy that, just like I don't believe we can't be rich in this life. I know I'll never have a million dollars, but even if I end up with that when I'm in my 60's, or anyone else for that matter, so what?

You dismissed the verse from Proverbs out of hand, but there is truth in it:

Proverbs 22:2
The rich and the poor meet together; the LORD is the Maker of them all.

It's a verse from the Wisdom literature. Last time I checked, that didn't have anything to do with animal sacrifices, or any of the other ceremonial laws. There's absolutely no connection.

I am not talking about retirement (Which is like a Sabbath). I also think that even in retirement, a believer will still serve the Lord but in a different capacity. They can save modestly and or even plan to work at some job part time. I believe if a believer can do so, partaking in missions during their time of retirement, should be their focus. The gospel. When does one stop spreading the good news? When does one stop loving God and others? Anyways, I am talking about amassing more than what one actually requires to live. Some people place an overemphasis on saving more than they actually need. The focus is money, money, money, and it is not God. Jesus says seek ye first the kingdom of God and all these things will be added unto you.
 
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They can save modestly and or even plan to work at some job part time. Some people place an overemphasis on saving more than they actually need.

many people when they get to retirement aren't physically able to work or that's when they discover a disease or as in my neighbor's case brain cancer requiring expensive medical treatments

people don't realize it costs just as much to live in retirement as before and sometimes more with medical problems

then add in job losses before retirement which has happened also to some of my neighbors and they're unable to find another job due to ageism

people failing to save find themselves at retirement with NO plan, no money and no amt of prayers helps them when they must decide between food or their medications

there are lots of elderly in bad situations with little money, unable to drive anymore, and just bad, sad situations
go to a retirement planner and you'll be surprised how much money one needs to live once retired then add in if one has children who've returned home

I have a grandma neighbor close to retirement who has custody of 3 grandkids which am sure she didn't plan for

so maybe that is why some people want to save because no one knows what will happen as their body starts deteriorating past a certain age or if they'll be raising grandkids

there are a lot of elderly in my neighborhood now so hear of problems like sickness, job losses, raising the grandkids, not being able to do things and having to hire people (expensive), etc, etc
 
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many people when they get to retirement aren't physically able to work or that's when they discover a disease or as in my neighbor's case brain cancer requiring expensive medical treatments

people don't realize it costs just as much to live in retirement as before and sometimes more with medical problems

then add in job losses before retirement which has happened also to some of my neighbors and they're unable to find another job due to ageism

people failing to save find themselves at retirement with NO plan, no money and no amt of prayers helps them when they must decide between food or their medications

there are lots of elderly in bad situations with little money, unable to drive anymore, and just bad, sad situations
go to a retirement planner and you'll be surprised how much money one needs to live once retired then add in if one has children who've returned home

I have a grandma neighbor close to retirement who has custody of 3 grandkids which am sure she didn't plan for

so maybe that is why some people want to save because no one knows what will happen as their body starts deteriorating past a certain age or if they'll be raising grandkids

there are a lot of elderly in my neighborhood now so hear of problems like sickness, job losses, raising the grandkids, not being able to do things and having to hire people (expensive), etc, etc

I believe this has more to do with living in a sinful world, than with following God's plan for your life. There was a man I knew once who died soon after he retired. I think some loose their purpose in life when they retire. I am not saying that we should not retire so as to cut back on regular work so as to serve the Lord, but we should not be in anxiety about what could happen. We serve God and not the fears of this life.
 
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I am not saying that we should not retire so as to cut back on regular work so as to serve the Lord, but we should not be in anxiety about what could happen. .

having worked in long term care facilities so have seen enough to know what happens as we age plus seeing what some of my neighbors have gone through

not easy to get old and it is expensive with medical care
but if one gets sick and has no money, one can opt to not be treated

many people do opt for no treatment so as not to bankrupt their families
 
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having worked in long term care facilities so have seen enough to know what happens as we age plus seeing what some of my neighbors have gone through

not easy to get old and it is expensive with medical care
but if one gets sick and has no money, one can opt to not be treated

many people do opt for no treatment so as not to bankrupt their families

If one is worried about it, then one can get the proper insurance to cover it.
Again, if you are in fear over it, then it will happen. One is either living in fear or they are living for God. You can show me all the sick people and it does not matter. Most are not living for the Lord these days. But even if assistance is necessary, God throws challenges in our life to draw closer to Him. Money is not always the answer to life's problems. God is.
 
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Money is not always the answer to life's problems. God is.

God led us to adopt
but we had to save to get to over $30,000 to do so
adoption took over four years giving us the time to save

but no one gave us any money, we saved it
so it was God AND money
 
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God led us to adopt
but we had to save to get to over $30,000 to do so
adoption took over four years giving us the time to save

but no one gave us any money, we saved it
so it was God AND money

Right, and 30,000 is not 1 million. Generally people are not considered rich or wealthy if they have even a couple hundred thousand because you really cannot live on that kind of money for long. It will run out. Folks who are rich never need to work a day in their life ever again, and they never need to worry about money.
 
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God led us to adopt
but we had to save to get to over $30,000 to do so
adoption took over four years giving us the time to save

but no one gave us any money, we saved it
so it was God AND money

God also could have made a way for you to adopt without you saving the money or even if you could never afford to have that kind of money. For with God, nothing is impossible. My point is that you are making money greater than it actually is. God should be your One and only source for all things. God is the One who provides ultimately. Seek ye first the Kingdom of God, and He will provide your basic needs. The problem I have is that people think money solves life's problems. The problem I have is that folks think that they can amass great amounts of money and that this is the will of God. The problem I have is that they bow to money as if it is this great thing that helps them. Scripture says that there are those who think gain is godliness. So stop fighting for gain as if it was godliness. God can bless people with money in time of need when they don't have any. God can do miracles. God does not want us to live and trust and put our trust in filthy lucre. Yes, money is necessary to put food on the table and to put a roof over our heads. But do not make money out into be some kind of great thing. It is nothing in and of itself. Chasing after riches and wealth leads to a snare and a person can fall into many foolish and hurtful lusts by it.
 
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Sounds like you're preaching the poverty gospel, which is the opposite extreme of the prosperity gospel. The prosperity gospel says God wants everyone to be rich, the poverty gospel says God wants no one to be rich. Both are wrong.


1 Samuel 2:7 The Lord maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.

Proverbs 22:2 The rich and poor meet together: the Lord is the maker of them all.

Ecclesiastes 5:19
Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God. 20 For he shall not much remember the days of his life; because God answereth him in the joy of his heart.


Solomon did not ask for riches yet God blessed him with it (1 Kings 10:23). It says all his cups and utensils were made of gold (1 Kings 10:21). Wow! What a greedy guy!!!!!! He could have given that gold to the poor!!! I bet God was really angry with him for doing that!!! :eek:
Solomon would have been seen by other people as we see millionaires today.


None of the verses you've posted say being rich is wrong. They are talking about loving money, being materialistic, putting their trust in riches or being greedy.

Look what it says in 1 Timothy 6:17-18
Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; 18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate

Notice it doesn't say to tell them to stop being rich. It just says to tell them to stop trusting in riches, to trust in God and to do good works.


A lot of good can be done by being rich, for example Bill Gates has donate billions to charity and no doubt has helped millions of people. Being rich can lead to temptation but being rich itself isn't wrong. This is not a money issue this is a heart issue.
 
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Right, and 30,000 is not a million.

but it might as well have been as we didn't have it and took yrs to save it
after adopting, I became a sahm so there wasn't a way for us to save that again for our child to have a sibling

30,000 would be a million to a family in other countries who can't feed their families and parents take turns eating dinner so their children can eat

a million is nothing to people living in states where the cost of living is high and housing outrageous

it's all relative as some think a million is a lot but to others it's not
 
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For with God, nothing is impossible. God can bless people with money in time of need when they don't have any.

but often he doesn't

have seen people lose their home because of the loss of one income

why didn't God give them the money when the husband lost his job and the family ended up breaking up and losing their house all due to job loss?

why are so many homeless through no fault of their own?
 
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God is concerned with obedience and not in outward performance score cards on our terms. The carnal mind may think they can change the world and that is helping God, but in God's eyes He wants obedience to His Word by faith.

For if the Lord is telling believers in the New Covenant to not put treasure here on this Earth (and that means wealth, riches, money, etc.), then that means we cannot live lavishly or set aside an insane amount of money with the hope that we may do good with that money in the future on our own terms. God is not interested in us having a financial security blanket. God is concerned with us trusting in what He says. We are to seek first the kingdom of God and all our needs will be provided for. God does not require us to provide college tuitions, and or other great things on a massive scale. Sure, maybe we can set up a huge charity to help the poor on the streets and educate them about the gospel and in living for Christ, but we should be legally restricted in having any access to changing that charity's funds to make ourselves rich in any way. We as believers need to be crazy wildly careful if we truly are desiring to obey the Lord Jesus Christ on His own terms and not our own.

But no doubt giving up extreme wealth is something that is not appealing to you. I mean, I get it. Our rational carnal mind cannot understand why God would make us to suffer financially. But God's ways are not always our ways. Also, if the Bible never said things like.... do not put your treasure here upon this Earth, or flee in being rich [a paraphrase of 1 Timothy 6:9 and 1 Timothy 6:11], then I would be like... okay, maybe you could be right. Do what thou will. But the Bible does make it clear under the NT that we cannot be rich in this life. For we cannot be our own lords and masters. We are bought and paid for with a price.
I find nothing wrong with anything you say or believe. I hope that you continue to find comfort in the knowledge you believe to be superior to others. You are truely rich with it....and refuse to give any of it away........ And I would not ask you to.....My words are for those who would hear it.
 
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Sounds like you're preaching the poverty gospel, which is the opposite extreme of the prosperity gospel. The prosperity gospel says God wants everyone to be rich, the poverty gospel says God wants no one to be rich. Both are wrong.


1 Samuel 2:7 The Lord maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.

Proverbs 22:2 The rich and poor meet together: the Lord is the maker of them all.

Ecclesiastes 5:19
Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God. 20 For he shall not much remember the days of his life; because God answereth him in the joy of his heart.


Solomon did not ask for riches yet God blessed him with it (1 Kings 10:23). It says all his cups and utensils were made of gold (1 Kings 10:21). Wow! What a greedy guy!!!!!! He could have given that gold to the poor!!! I bet God was really angry with him for doing that!!! :eek:
Solomon would have been seen by other people as we see millionaires today.


None of the verses you've posted say being rich is wrong. They are talking about loving money, being materialistic, putting their trust in riches or being greedy.

Look what it says in 1 Timothy 6:17-18
Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; 18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate

Notice it doesn't say to tell them to stop being rich. It just says to tell them to stop trusting in riches, to trust in God and to do good works.


A lot of good can be done by being rich, for example Bill Gates has donate billions to charity and no doubt has helped millions of people. Being rich can lead to temptation but being rich itself isn't wrong. This is not a money issue this is a heart issue.
Actually the poverty gospel and the prosperity gospel, I believe, are the same. They both seek to take your eyes off God and, instead, focus on the amount of money you make and have. Both aim to make you feel more saved and better than the one who doesnt have the amount of money you have....be it a rich amount or poor amount. Both equally destructive......Both believing that they are right and the others are wrong.

If we would be saved.....we must forget about the cares of the world.....and Go to God, were he is. I serve not a high priest who is concerned with the amount of monies one has in the bank.

But this High priest found me.....therefore I cannot fault anyone else for believing other gospels for I to once believed them. So we must pray and wait patiently on the Lord.

Plant seeds and wait for God to increase....
 
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but it might as well have been as we didn't have it and took yrs to save it

But the reality is that it is not 1 million. 1 million today means you are close to being a millionaire. Millionaires are often able to invest their money properly so that they do not need to worry about ever working again, and whereby they do not need to worry about money (if they don't have to).

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after adopting, I became a sahm so there wasn't a way for us to save that again for our child to have a sibling

30,000 would be a million to a family in other countries who can't feed their families and parents take turns eating dinner so their children can eat

But in reality again.... it really isn't a million. You cannot go off the currency conversion. You have to look at the lifestyle. You struggled to save that amount and you worked hard. Rich people do not have to do that.

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a million is nothing to people living in states where the cost of living is high and housing outrageous

There are a couple of states like this, and this is not all states. Hawaii, California, etc. But nobody is forced to live there. Nobody is forced to have homes if they don't want them. There are ways to live their by inexpensive means. Here are 7 cheapest places to live in California that are not war zones, or bad environments, etc.

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Here are the 10 cheapest places to live in Hawaii:

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it's all relative as some think a million is a lot but to others it's not

Not really. Again, they don't have to live in expensive states. I know. I chose to move away from an expensive state.
 
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