The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism

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THE GRANDEUR OF GOD'S PURPOSE

Scene 5


Now a much more restricted scene greets our eyes. We are in a garden, in which God has placed His most recent creation, man. There is, as we have just indicated, a grandeur in man's creation which is not shared by other beings, either spirit (angelic) or fleshly (animal). For man (humanity) was created in the image and likeness of his Creator.

In Colossians 1:15, and also in 2 Corinthians 4:4, Christ is portrayed as the Image of God. No other being in the celestial realms is so described. There is something very wonderful indeed in the fact that humanity was created in the image of the Alueim. Anticipating our study again, this was in order that Christ Himself, God's true Image, might eventually appear in the likeness of humanity without losing His likeness to God, and that ultimately all might be made subject to Him as the Head of the new humanity (Heb.2:8).

Man was made some bit inferior to heavenly messengers, but wreathed with glory and honor (Psa.8:5; Heb.2:7).

But how man has abused that glory and that honor! For into this garden scene of Eden, sin found an entry through the first man's disobedience, and subsequently swept like a plague through all his descendants, so that Paul, thousands of years later, could only sum up the position by saying that "all sinned and are wanting of the glory of God" (Rom.3:23).

It is interesting to note that the deception in the Garden of Eden was accomplished through one of the creatures, a serpent, over which Adam had been given dominion. If man could not control one of the lower animals, how could God possibly bring about the subjection of all to humanity? Truly Satan had attacked God's purposes on a vital issue, but could not inflict a mortal wound. Though Adam might die as a result of his disobedience, and though a second Man, the last Adam, might also die because of His obedience, God will still make all to be subject to Christ as the Head of the new humanity.

God formed man of the soil of the ground, and by so doing, and, at the same time, creating him in His own image and likeness, God clearly showed His intention of developing His purpose through humanity and on this earth -- this speck of dust in the universe.

From now on, the heavens recede into the background. Later on, we shall find that they return in full measure into the picture. Actually, of course, they are always there, and every now and then some of their inhabitants come into the scene, as, for instance, at the birth of the Lord; but, by and large, they become watchers--witnesses of God's purpose being enacted upon this earth. Some of them (and particularly the Adversary himself) try to interfere with God's arrangements; but such interference is always limited and subject to God's overriding control, as was evidenced in the case of job.

We are specially emphasizing this, because we want you to notice in this and the next three scenes, a continuous contraction of God's purpose--a greater and greater concentration until it is eventually focused upon one thing, a dying Man on a cross. After that, it will widen out again until it embraces the whole of what was originally conceived in the creation of the heavens and the earth.
 
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Originally Posted by peacecrusader888
So, Hindus and Buddhists will be saved and have eternal life. Is this what you mean by "universalism"?

Dear Crusader

It's not about how special people believe they are, either, everyone will be raised to new life or no one will be.

Every last rotten sinner from A to Z will not only be saved, but "made righteous"! Every last one!

"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."

The identical many (every last one) "made sinners" in Adam 1, are the many "made righteous" in the Last Adam (every last one).

It is a perfect equation of dimension exceeding all we can think!

Polus (polýs) = the all

Polus= polus EVERY LAST ONE!
 
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" For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted just." -Concordant Literal-

Even as=hṓsper,=

Exactly like, even like.

Disobedience= parakoḗ, =

Hearing amiss. Disobedience

Many= polýs=

Many, much, large.

Were made= kathístēmi,=

To set, place, put.

To set down as, constitute, to declare, show to be

To constitute, to render, make, cause to be.

To conduct or bring to a certain place.

Sinners= hamartōlós=

Devoted to sin, a sinner.

Not free from sin

Pre-eminently sinful, especially wicked

Righteous= díkaios=

Righteous, observing divine laws.

In a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God

Innocent, faultless, guiltless.

Used of him whose way of thinking, feeling, and acting is wholly conformed to the will of God, and who therefore needs no rectification in the heart or life.

Rotherham Emphasized=

"For, if, by the fault of the one, death reigned through the one, much more, they who the superabundance of the favour and of [the free-gift of] the righteousness do receive, in life, shall reign through the one, Jesus Christ.

Hence then, as through one fault, [the sentence was] unto all men unto condemnation, so, also, through one recovery of righteousness, [the decree of favour] is unto all men for righteous acquittal unto life;

For, just as, through the disobedience of the one man, sinners, the many were constituted, so, also, through the obedience of the one, righteous, the many shall be constituted."
 
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His idea, all of it!

"Now God has us where he wants us, with all the time in this world and the next to shower grace and kindness upon us in Christ Jesus.

Saving is all his idea, and all his work.

All we do is trust him enough to let him do it.

It’s God’s gift from start to finish!

We don’t play the major role. If we did, we’d probably go around bragging that we’d done the whole thing!

No, we neither make nor save ourselves.

God does both the making and saving.

He creates each of us by Christ Jesus to join him in the work he does, the good work he has gotten ready for us to do, work we had better be doing." -The Message-

Ephesians 2:8 - For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—.
 
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THE GRANDEUR OF GOD'S PURPOSE

Part 3 Scene 6

By the creation of humanity in God's image, His purpose is made to converge onto this earth and mankind. In this scene, it is further contracted to one land and one nation. For we now see Abraham, called out of his homeland of Chaldea, established in a land given him by God, and the recipient of the promise of a seed in which all families of the earth would be blessed.

The land of promise (though considerably larger than modern Palestine or Israel) is really a very small part indeed of the earth's surface. Yet to the nation, which was descended from Abraham through Jacob, was shown God's favor. "But you do I know of all the families of the ground," He told them through the prophet Amos (3:2). With them He made a covenant, and to them He gave His law. With them He established His priesthood; for them He appointed judges and chose kings. To them He committed His oracles and sent His prophets.

By giving them His law, with all its attendant detail, God seemingly constricted His purpose still further, for He bound Himself, as a matter of supreme honor, to remain true to that code which He had established.

Whatever He might do in the future regarding His chosen people, He could not nullify or abrogate the law which He made at Sinai, for that set the standard of His justice. Henceforth, He must not only be just, but be seen to be just by that standard. And the One Who was to come as a Saviour must of necessity be able to demonstrate His ability to keep that perfect law; otherwise He would be no better than the rest.

Again, God's purpose was further confined within the bounds set by His prophets, who, one after another, made prognostications which God, in honor, "was bound to fulfill.

How often do we read, "that that may be fulfilled which was declared by the Lord through the prophet" (or words of similar intent)! Of course, the prophets never spoke their own words, but those that were inspired by God's Spirit (2 Peter 1:21). God was continually setting Himself limits within which His intentions must be contained. A supreme grandeur lies in this, for it shows that in every way God is master of His purpose.

Yes, God seemingly made His purpose as hard as possible. A virgin was to conceive, and bear a Son. This Son was to be born in a particular place, for Micah prophesied that the future Ruler should come out of Bethlehem (Micah 5:2). To achieve this, God influenced the mightiest man in the world at that time, the Roman Emperor, Caesar Augustus, and caused him to pass a decree that all the world which he ruled should be registered. It was in response to this decree that Joseph and Mary were induced to make the very trying journey from Nazareth to Bethlehem at a time when Mary was about to bring forth her first-born Son. And it was this same decree that filled the inn with similar travelers, who, being able to move more quickly, could get there first. -John H. Essex-
 
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Col.1.16=

Various Translations>>>


Colossians 1:16 - For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things hav.

"Because, in him, were created all things in the heavens and upon the earth, the things seen and the things unseen, whether thrones or lordships or principalities or authorities,—they all, through him and for him, have been created.." -Rotherham Emphasized-

Concordant Literal=

Read Concordant New Testament Online

"For in Him is all created, that in the heavens and that on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or sovereignties, or authorities, all is created through Him and for Him.."

Colossians 1:16 (ESV)
No Caps in the Greek Concordant New Testament Online
Col 1:16 That in Christ all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities, all things have been created for him and on behalf of him.

Col 1:16 ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ ἐκτίσθη τὰ πάντα ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς καὶ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς τὰ ὁρατὰ καὶ τὰ ἀόρατα εἴτε θρόνοι εἴτε κυριότητες εἴτε ἀρχαὶ εἴτε ἐξουσίαι τὰ πάντα δι᾽ αὐτοῦ καὶ εἰς αὐτὸν ἔκτισται

Col 1:27 To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
 
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Originally Posted by peacecrusader888
So, Hindus and Buddhists will be saved and have eternal life. Is this what you mean by "universalism"?

Dear Crusader

It's not about how special people believe they are, either, everyone will be raised to new life or no one will be.

Every last rotten sinner from A to Z will not only be saved, but "made righteous"! Every last one!

"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."

The identical many (every last one) "made sinners" in Adam 1, are the many "made righteous" in the Last Adam (every last one).

It is a perfect equation of dimension exceeding all we can think!

Polus (polýs) = the all

Polus= polus EVERY LAST ONE!
Huh? G4183 πολύς, πολλός polus    polos
Including the forms from the alternate "pollos"; (singular) much (in any respect) or (plural) many; neuter (singular) as adverb largely; neuter (plural) as adverb or noun often, mostly, largely: - abundant, + altogether, common, + far (passed, spent), (+ be of a) great (age, deal, -ly, while), long, many, much, oft (-en [-times]), plenteous, sore, straitly. Compare G4118, G4119.

Rom 5:19  Because, as numbers of men became sinners through the wrongdoing of one man, even so will great numbers get righteousness through the keeping of the word of God by one man. [BBE]

Rom 5:19  For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.[KJV-BRG] [YLT] [DARBY] [ESV] etc

Romans 5:19
(ABP+)  For asG5618 G1063 byG1223 theG3588 disobedienceG3876 of theG3588 oneG1520 manG444 [3 as sinnersG268 2were establishedG2525 G3588 1many];G4183 soG3779 alsoG2532 byG1223 theG3588 obedienceG5218 of theG3588 one man G1520 [3 as righteousG1342 2shall be establishedG2525 G3588 1many].G4183


(BBE)  Because, as numbers of men became sinners through the wrongdoing of one man, even so will great numbers get righteousness through the keeping of the word of God by one man.

(Darby)  For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous.

(ESV)  For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.

(ESV+)  For as by the one man's R7disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's R8obedience the many will be made righteous.

(ISV)  For just as through one man's disobedience many people were made sinners, so also through one man's obedience many people will be made righteous.

(KJV)  For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

(KJV+)  ForG1063 asG5618 byG1223 oneG1520 man'sG444 disobedienceG3876 manyG4183 were madeG2525 sinners,G268 soG3779 (G2532) byG1223 theG3588 obedienceG5218 of oneG1520 shall manyG4183 be madeG2525 righteous.G1342


(KJV-BRG)  For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

(Webster)  For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

(YLT)  for as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners: so also through the obedience of the one, shall the many be constituted righteous.
 
 
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God Strikes and Then Heals

In Wrath There Is Mercy and Restoration

In the Hebrew Scriptures (the OT) we find clear statements that the outcome of God's "wrath" and "judging" is healing and mercy.

Continued below>>>>>

God Strikes and Then Heals
 
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Wow! 2287 posts on this thread and climbing. It is like the bunny in the battery commercial. It just keeps going and going and going...

Dear Basil: thanks for stopping in. I have no idea what has drawn you to this link, but welcome.

In a world of hurt the vast hope of deliverance from the tyranny of change and decay for me is a strong anchor in Him!

"Nothing can separate you from His love, absolutely nothing, neither death nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature... We do not need to beg Him to bless us, He simply cannot help it. Therefore God is enough! God is enough for time, God is enough for eternity. God is enough!" -Hannah Whitall Smith-
 
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"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."

"For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through one man, HOW MUCH MORE will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

"More"=koine mallon=

More.

To a greater degree >>>>by far

So much the more (more to a greater degree).

Added to verbs and adjectives, it denotes increase, a greater quantity, a larger measure, a higher degree, more, more fully.

Romans 5:15, 17

The measure of salvation for which we are indebted to Christ is far greater than that of the ruin which came from Adam; for the difference between the consequences traceable to Adam and to Christ is not only one of quality, but of quantity.

"My dear friend, clear your mind of can’t."-Samuel Johnson-
 
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"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."

"For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through one man, HOW MUCH MORE will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

"More"=koine mallon= More.

To a greater degree >>>>by far

So much the more (more to a greater degree).

Added to verbs and adjectives, it denotes increase, a greater quantity, a larger measure, a higher degree, more, more fully.

Romans 5:15, 17

The measure of salvation for which we are indebted to Christ is far greater than that of the ruin which came from Adam; for the difference between the consequences traceable to Adam and to Christ is not only one of quality, but of quantity.

"My dear friend, clear your mind of can’t."-Samuel Johnson-
This was addressed to those who had no law and was therefore under the law of grace until judgment day. even so might grace reign through righteousness

Rom 5:13  (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 

Rom 5:19  Because, as numbers of men became sinners through the wrongdoing of one man, even so will great numbers get righteousness through the keeping of the word of God by one man. [BBE]

More"=koine mallon= most, many

G3122 μάλιστα malista mal'-is-tah Neuter plural of the superlative of an apparently primary adverb μάλα mala (very); (adverb) most (in the greatest degree) or particularly: - chiefly, most of all, (e-) specially.

G4183 πολύς, πολλός polus polos from G4118 πλεῖστος pleistos the largest number or very large: - very great, most. and from G4119 πλείων, πλεῖον, πλέον pleiōn pleion pleon Comparative of G4183; more in quantity, number, or quality; also (in plural) the major portion: - X above, + exceed, more excellent, further, (very) great (-er), long (-er), (very) many, greater (more) part, + yet but.

Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Rom 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Proverbs 19:21 Many are the plans in a person’s heart, but it is the Lord’s purpose that prevails.
H7227 רַב rab many (-ifold, things, a time), ([ship-]) master, mighty, more, (too, very) much,
 
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"It is love alone in the holy Deity that will allow no peace to the wicked, nor ever cease its judgments till every sinner is forced to confess that it is good for him that he has been in trouble, and thankfully own that not the wrath but the love of God has plucked out that right eye, cut off that right band, which he ought to have done but would not do for himself and his own salvation." -William Law-

"It is claimed that it takes the iron out of Christianity because it removes the threat. No longer can the sinner be dangled over the pit of hell. No longer can what Burn’s called the 'hangmen’s whip' of the fear of hell be threateningly cracked over the sinner. But the kind of universalism in which I believe has not simply obliterated hell and said that everything will be all right for everyone; it has stated grimly that, if you will have it so, you can go to Heaven via hell." –William Barclay-

"A belief in God’s universal love to all his creatures, and that he will finally restore all those of them that are miserable to happiness, is a polar truth. It leads to truths upon all subjects, more especially upon the subject of government. It establishes the equality of mankind – it abolishes the punishment of death for any crime – and converts jails into houses of repentance and reformation." – Benjamin Rush-

It were better to have no opinion of God at all than such an opinion as is unworthy of him; for the one is unbelief, the other is contumely; and certainly superstition is the reproach of the Deity. Plutarch saith well to that purpose, “Surely,” saith he, “I had rather a great deal men should say there was no such man at all as Plutarch, than that they should say that there was one Plutarch that would eat his children as soon as they were born;” as the poets speak of Saturn. And as the contumely is greater towards God, so the danger is greater towards men. –Sir Francis Bacon- (1561-1626)

"The whole of created life shall be delivered/set free..."
 
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"It is love alone in the holy Deity that will allow no peace to the wicked, nor ever cease its judgments till every sinner is forced to confess that it is good for him that he has been in trouble, and thankfully own that not the wrath but the love of God has plucked out that right eye, cut off that right band, which he ought to have done but would not do for himself and his own salvation." -William Law-
"The whole of created life shall be delivered/set free..."
Isaiah 57:20  But the wicked are like the tossing sea; for it cannot be quiet, and its waters toss up mire and dirt. 

Isaiah 57:21 There is no peace," says my God, "for the wicked." 

Jude 1:14  It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, 

Jude 1:15  to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him." 


Rom 3:16  in their paths are ruin and misery, 
Rom 3:17  and the way of peace they have not known." 
Rom 3:18  "There is no fear of God before their eyes." 

1 Peter 1:10-12 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, (11) searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when he testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. (12) To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into.

Heirs with Christ
Rom 8:16 The Spirit is witness with our spirit that we are children of God:
Rom 8:17 and if children, also heirs, heirs, indeed, of God, and heirs together of Christ—if, indeed, we suffer together, that we may also be glorified together.

Future Glory
Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of the present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory about to be revealed in us;

Rom 8:20 for to vanity was the creation made subject—not of its will, but because of him who did subject it —in hope,

Rom 8:21 that also the creation itself shall be set free from the servitude of the corruption to the liberty of the glory of the children of God;

Luke 19:42 saying, “Would that you, even you, had known on this day the things that make for peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes.

Luke 19:43 For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side

Luke 19:44 and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”
 
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Originally Posted by Thoreau424
"From what I've always gathered from scripture and personal reflection is: only those who have heard of and encountered the message of Jesus would be the ones "on the hook" for needing salvation for eternal life. God is reasonable enough not to punish those who've never had the chance to hear of "his son", and have a chance to decide whether or not to accept him. The same goes for babies, children, those of mental retardation, etc.

Since he knows us inside and out, and knows our "hearts" and minds, he'd certainly know the cases where a particular person hasn't or won't get the chance to know of Christ before dying."

ZERO CHANCE!

The Father of all fathers is not in the Heavenly lottery of chance! Our Father's Purpose is NOT a heavenly lottery : first, second, third, fourth ad nauseum!

" It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. "

"Whole" = the radical pás
 
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Every knee bows IN/EN the Name of Jesus in all dimensions of the earth, the heavens & the underworld.

All saved, and more so, reconciled in the mighty draw of the Unlimited One.

This identical polys “made sinners” in the first Adam, are the polys “made righteous” in the Last, every last broken wreck reconciled!

Never ever limit the Holy One Of Israel!

If you imagine His will being multiple choice, know His will prevails, ALWAYS!

Salvation in the koine =esothen & sozomenos & sothesomai

There is a tense in koine known as the descriptive present, or the progressive present, which depicts an action in progress.

Yes, God IS the Saviour of all mankind, not some of mankind: all of mankind!
 
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Originally Posted by Thoreau424
"From what I've always gathered from scripture and personal reflection is: only those who have heard of and encountered the message of Jesus would be the ones "on the hook" for needing salvation for eternal life. God is reasonable enough not to punish those who've never had the chance to hear of "his son", and have a chance to decide whether or not to accept him. The same goes for babies, children, those of mental retardation, etc.

Since he knows us inside and out, and knows our "hearts" and minds, he'd certainly know the cases where a particular person hasn't or won't get the chance to know of Christ before dying."

ZERO CHANCE!

The Father of all fathers is not in the Heavenly lottery of chance! Our Father's Purpose is NOT a heavenly lottery : first, second, third, fourth ad nauseum!

" It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. "

"Whole" = the radical pás
Amen! 1 Chronicles 29:11 Yours,
Jehovah, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the majesty and the splendor, for everything in heaven and earth is Yours. Yours, Jehovah, is the kingdom; You are exalted as head over all.
 
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Every knee bows IN/EN the Name of Jesus in all dimensions of the earth, the heavens & the underworld. All saved, and more so, reconciled in the mighty draw of the Unlimited One.
This identical polys “made sinners” in the first Adam, are the polys “made righteous” in the Last, every last broken wreck reconciled!
Never ever limit the Holy One Of Israel!
If you imagine His will being multiple choice, know His will prevails, ALWAYS! Salvation in the koine =esothen & sozomenos & sothesomai
There is a tense in koine known as the descriptive present, or the progressive present, which depicts an action in progress.
Yes, God IS the Saviour of all mankind, not some of mankind: all of mankind!
H3467 יָשַׁע yâsha‛ preserve, rescue, be safe
H8668 teshû‛âh תְּשֻׁעָה תְּשׁוּעָה From H7768 in the sense of H3467; rescue
G4991 σωτηρία sōtēria
Feminine of a derivative of G4990 as (properly abstract) noun; rescue or safety

Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye rescued, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

But not all shall be forgiven!
Num 14:22 Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;

Num 14:23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:

Num 14:32 But as for you, your carcases, they shall fall in this wilderness.
Num 14:37 Even those men that did bring up the evil report upon the land, died by the plague before Jehovah
 
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