God and quantum mechanics

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The proud science of physics has a rarely mentioned axioma: reality is what human senses agree it is. All observation in science depends, directly or indirectly, on sensory perception including the interpretations in our brain. This is possible because of the high correlation of measurements across different sense organs and also across individuals. Society at large achieves generality of major interpretations across individuals by the process of socialization, resulting in a basically ‘social’ construction of reality. Somebody who was born blind and misses the social construction of visible reality will never perceive reality in a ‘normal’ way if he suddenly gains the sight faculty. He will prefer to close his eyes.

We know that there are scientists who explicitly allow for the existence of God. But greater is the number of scientists who seek the opposition of their science against religion. They forget the social construction of reality. And they prefer not to mention the other challenges that shake their unshakable science to its foundations. One of those challenges is to understand what they are calculating when it comes to the origin of the universe. They tend to mistake their theoretical models and assumptions for facts. But science could or should become almost speechless when it comes to quantum mechanics. They present as scientific that the location of a particle is a probability density distribution, that things can be true and not true at the same time. And that particles on different sides of the earth can be simultaneously and oppositely entangled in the information they carry. Some scientists honestly acknowledge that they don’t understand it, others divert the attention from their lack of understanding to the foolishness of religion.

For me as a religious person, the incomprehensibility of basic ‘reality’ to us humans points to a God who is so much greater than the three dimensions that we can perceive. Maybe science and religion will need each other in the future. I have already been trying to bring them closer together but I don’t understand enough myself, of course…
 
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As someone who has his fair share to do with science, I want to disagree on one thing, even though it may be slightly beside the point. I do not believe that the majority of scientists actively oppose faith or God. Most I have met are indifferent and separate the two. Whether that is the correct approach is another discussion entirely. I believe that the idea that science actively goes against God comes from the fact that those that do are very vocal whereas most others simply do their thing and keep to themselves. This conjures the illusion, which is supported by the old idea that reason and faith are incompatible (I partially blame Mark Twain for this...:D). To counteract it, I believe that more scientists may want to consider thinking about this topic and if they are so inclined, help dispel this illusion. I like it how Newton has put it. There is a book of scripture and a book of nature. Both are in harmony. Our interpretations thereof are theology and science, respectively. Given our imperfect nature, our interpretations will be incomplete and thus inconsistencies may crop up. But this is solely our fault, both theologian as well as scientist, and not because God made a whoopsy and things don't work together.

Anyway, just a side thought on a remark you made in the post.
 
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Interestingly, the Church has already been teaching something similar to the "spooky action" of quantum mechanics in the Eucharist itself (although in Western theology, it was sadly argued via Aristotelian physics for some time). Not that I say it is quantum based. Just that a similar awareness was always there. It is still a mystery.. but not necessarily irrational by the world's (new) standards of reality either.
 
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The problem is worse than simply position. Quantum uncertainty disputes existence until observed: that was the argument that locked Einstein and Bohr, and no rational explanation exists. Shut up and calculate is the accepted wisdom. The paradoxes cease to exist when you first recognise that it is just amodel. Since the particle is a model that exists nowhere except on paper, it's reality is no longer a problem. But with that the idea of science explaining anything also disappears. It models what things are seen to do, not what they are.



The proud science of physics has a rarely mentioned axioma: reality is what human senses agree it is. All observation in science depends, directly or indirectly, on sensory perception including the interpretations in our brain. This is possible because of the high correlation of measurements across different sense organs and also across individuals. Society at large achieves generality of major interpretations across individuals by the process of socialization, resulting in a basically ‘social’ construction of reality. Somebody who was born blind and misses the social construction of visible reality will never perceive reality in a ‘normal’ way if he suddenly gains the sight faculty. He will prefer to close his eyes.

We know that there are scientists who explicitly allow for the existence of God. But greater is the number of scientists who seek the opposition of their science against religion. They forget the social construction of reality. And they prefer not to mention the other challenges that shake their unshakable science to its foundations. One of those challenges is to understand what they are calculating when it comes to the origin of the universe. They tend to mistake their theoretical models and assumptions for facts. But science could or should become almost speechless when it comes to quantum mechanics. They present as scientific that the location of a particle is a probability density distribution, that things can be true and not true at the same time. And that particles on different sides of the earth can be simultaneously and oppositely entangled in the information they carry. Some scientists honestly acknowledge that they don’t understand it, others divert the attention from their lack of understanding to the foolishness of religion.

For me as a religious person, the incomprehensibility of basic ‘reality’ to us humans points to a God who is so much greater than the three dimensions that we can perceive. Maybe science and religion will need each other in the future. I have already been trying to bring them closer together but I don’t understand enough myself, of course…
 
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