Is it wrong that I keep Shabbat and do not "go to church" on Sunday?

ace of hearts · Feb 23, 2019

Tone said:
I was thinking about Romans 7:14
"For we know that The Written Law is spiritual but I am carnal and I am sold to sin."

So this verse says "The Written Law is spiritual"...hmmm. of course, it came straight from the Creator. So what happened to us...we became carnal. But, a Way was provided for us to have what is spiritual, written upon our hearts.

You seem to have missed verse 6.

ace of hearts · Feb 23, 2019

NBB said:
When for example the bible says, let nobody judge you about sabbath days.. why add to the plain interpretation of the bible and add second intentions there and say that is other sabbath days and not the normal too?

In romans 14 he says that one person esteems one day, the other not, everyone just do it for the lord, the one who holds a day and the one who do not.

If he kept the sabbath is because he was a jew too.

If you ask him if he esteems a day, you'll get no response or a denial.

ace of hearts · Feb 23, 2019

Tone said:
It may if we illustrate it as a two-sided coin with a heads (blessing) and a tails (curse) side. And we understand that we died to the tails side since, through Yah's providence, the coin has landed on heads. So tails is done away with and we get to enjoy the blessings! So, it is the same Law (coin) with two sides.

I heard about this one - Heads I win, tails you lose.

ace of hearts · Feb 23, 2019

usexpat97 said:
Jesus kept Sabbath because He was a man, and that's who Sabbath was made for.

So back this up. You can't with MK 2:27-28 because of context and the letter disagrees with Moses (the law).

ace of hearts · Feb 23, 2019

Tone said:
Well, those are the most valuable ones huh.

And He did say this:
"Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Matthew 5:19

Nothing wrong with striving for heavenly treasure

So you disprove your stance and worry about your position in heaven. WOW!

ace of hearts · Feb 23, 2019

BobRyan said:
Ace jumped into the conversation I had with you and commented. I show that the discussion did not support his comment -- then you responded and I responded. Nice thing is - that post of mine shows all of it. Easy to follow

I wasn't aware this was a private conversation.

usexpat97 · Feb 23, 2019

ace of hearts said:
So back this up. You can't with MK 2:27-28 because of context and the letter disagrees with Moses (the law).

I back this up with Mark 2:27-28. Just because you said I cannot doesn't mean it is true.

Mark 2:27. Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

Yeshua HaDerekh · Feb 24, 2019

Saint Steven said:
I love you too, but you misspelled "Icky".

it is not "icky" LOL...it is "Achi"...my brother

Saint Steven · Feb 24, 2019

ace of hearts said:
Paul isn't talking to pagans in Galatians. Paul is addressing Jews in the Church that are confused by both their traditions and the Judaizers demanding adherence to the law of Moses.

I don't think that is totally correct. As I understand it, the Galatians were gentiles and former pagans. Paul is admonishing them not to fall back into the same pattern of law-keeping that they were under in the past.

Galatians 4:8-11
Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

Saint Steven · Feb 24, 2019

Tone said:
Well, those are the most valuable ones huh.

And He did say this:
"Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Matthew 5:19

Nothing wrong with striving for heavenly treasure

Speaking of treasure, you might appreciate this one.

Matthew 13:52
He said to them, “Therefore every teacher of the law who has become a disciple in the kingdom of heaven is like the owner of a house who brings out of his storeroom new treasures as well as old.”

FireDragon76 · Feb 24, 2019

Why not go all the way and just become Jewish? What does exactly, then, does Christ do for you?

Saint Steven · Feb 24, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
it is not "icky" LOL...it is "Achi"...my brother

My bad.
Can you define it for us?
I obviously had no idea what it was.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Feb 24, 2019

Saint Steven said:
My bad.
Can you define it for us?
I obviously had no idea what it was.

I did, it means "my brother"

Saint Steven · Feb 24, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
I did, it means "my brother"

Wow. I missed it twice.
I better be careful. "Three strikes and you're out.", as the saying goes.

PS --- Did you realize that the image in your signature appears to be unlinked? It has a red X through it. Maybe the source link is bad?

ace of hearts · Feb 24, 2019

usexpat97 said:
I back this up with Mark 2:27-28. Just because you said I cannot doesn't mean it is true.

Mark 2:27. Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

You try to back up your idea with an out of context passage. Jesus isn't talking to the world, He's talking to Jews (the lost sheep - Israel). Bides that it disagrees with Moses. So I ask you directly if Moses spoke the truth in Ex 31:13, 17?

ace of hearts · Feb 24, 2019

Saint Steven said:
I don't think that is totally correct. As I understand it, the Galatians were gentiles and former pagans. Paul is admonishing them not to fall back into the same pattern of law-keeping that they were under in the past.

Galatians 4:8-11
Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

The Galatian church was mixed with Jews and Gentiles. Who was causing problems in the early Church? Was it pagan or Jews? Acts 15 and the historical record of Acts in how Jews treated Paul.

ace of hearts · Feb 24, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
Why not go all the way and just become Jewish? What does exactly, then, does Christ do for you?

Being a Christian is a much better deal.

BobRyan · Feb 24, 2019

ace of hearts said:
I wasn't aware this was a private conversation.

I was being asked why I responded to your point as if it was to somoeone else. I was simply pointing out the sequence in the email trail - not complaining. You are welcomed to respond to any post here including mine no matter if the conversation starts with you or not. I have no problem with that.

BobRyan · Feb 24, 2019

Saint Steven said:
I don't think that is totally correct. As I understand it, the Galatians were gentiles and former pagans. Paul is admonishing them not to fall back into the same pattern of law-keeping that they were under in the past.

Galatians 4:8-11
Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

you said "the Galatians were gentiles and former pagans. " -- and that is a fact. Paul is condemning their return to paganism, to observing pagan days... but they never were Jews - and were not "returning to obedience of what was called scripture" as if obeying scripture would be a bad thing.

Paul is not condemning scripture in Gal 4.

In fact when it comes to the Lev 23 list of annual holy days - in Rom 14 Paul defends them all and does not say that to observe one of them is to lose salvation.

ace of hearts said:
The Galatian church was mixed with Jews and Gentiles. Who was causing problems in the early Church? Was it pagan or Jews? Acts 15 and the historical record of Acts in how Jews treated Paul.

Acts 15 is not about gentiles returning to paganism. Gal 4:8-10 is. Details.

BobRyan · Feb 24, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
Why not go all the way and just become Jewish? What does exactly, then, does Christ do for you?

Paul and all the Apostles were in fact Jewish. Is it your claim they cannot go to heaven?

Is it wrong that I keep Shabbat and do not "go to church" on Sunday?

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