Can a Christian lose their salvation

C Johnson said:

I searched this online (bad idea for someone like me who constantly overthinks) and come to the conclusion im not as saved as i thought I was. A lot of my sins i haven't disclosed, meaning I've hid behind the cover of Gods grace. I sinned? Ask forgiveness. Sinned against or harmed someone? Ask forgiveness. Stole, lied or cheated (even in my current relationship) ask forgiveness. Some sins such as cursing, watching inappropriate content, talking behind peoples backs I've done without even thinking.

That said, I read an article today and it totally messed up my day because if salvation is that easy to lose, why do it? Is it as easy as asking for forgiveness of the sins mentioned above? Some of which i still struggle with? I don't know. Really frustrated today bouncing these thoughts around in my head.

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but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. Matthew 24:13

C Johnson said:

0. Can a Christian lose their salvation?

1. not as saved as i thought I was.

2. A lot of my sins i haven't disclosed.

3. if salvation is that easy to lose, why do it?

4. Is it as easy as asking for forgiveness of the sins mentioned above?

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0. No. Anyone who is not currently saved, never was. Many people wrongly believe they are saved.

1. There aren't different levels of salvation. You don't exist 'partially saved.'

2. They must be confessed to God, not your dog, cat, parakeet, or some third person standing on the other side of a door.

3. Don't think of salvation as something you 'do.' Pursue righteousness by doing God's will and refraining from what is not God's will.

4. No. If it were that easy, people would just say "I'm sorry" every day after sinning the night before and think they're fine with God. Lot's of people wrongly believe that's all it takes. They are misguided.

There's no salvation without repentance, as evidenced by your turning your back on Satan and sin. Jesus said, "Go and sin no more." - John 8:11

When you refuse that command, you're thumbing your nose and responding "No, I'm going to do what I want. It's all about my will, not your will."

The Bible makes it clear time and time again that our lives are not ours to do with as we please. The world doesn't get that. They won't even read the book.

Jason0047 said:

So if you are still holding onto something sinful in your life (it could be inappropriate content, role playing games, secular movies, money, etc.) you have not truly brought forth fruits worthy of your repentance (i.e. Repentance meaning to ask the Lord Jesus to forgive you of your sins).

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Jason0047 said:

Sure, someone can say a pray of forgiveness, and sure somebody can make up their own rules on holiness, but if we are not truly following God's way of righteousness according to the Bible, we are not going to make it.

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You do realize that when you tell us we will go to Hell for watching secular movies or for gaming, you're doing just as you say we should not do when you say "and sure somebody can make up their own rules on holiness,". You're not only making up rules, but attempting to impose them on others, and put a guilt trip on those who do what is not forbidden.

There are so many things that are specially forbidden in the bible, things that we definitely cannot do, so to me it makes no sense at all to try to take away what little joy we are allowed, what little that God has NOT specially said not too.

If those thing cause you problems, you definitely shouldn't do them....they are sin...to you.

And BTW, the only thing you mention in your list that is sin specially is the inappropriate content. Also, I've a question for you, have you given up "money" one of the things you actually say will send us to hell/cause us to "not make it"?

I understand you mean well, but IMO, and FWIW, you are going too far.

C Johnson said:

I searched this online (bad idea for someone like me who constantly overthinks) and come to the conclusion im not as saved as i thought I was. A lot of my sins i haven't disclosed, meaning I've hid behind the cover of Gods grace. I sinned? Ask forgiveness. Sinned against or harmed someone? Ask forgiveness. Stole, lied or cheated (even in my current relationship) ask forgiveness. Some sins such as cursing, watching inappropriate content, talking behind peoples backs I've done without even thinking.

That said, I read an article today and it totally messed up my day because if salvation is that easy to lose, why do it? Is it as easy as asking for forgiveness of the sins mentioned above? Some of which i still struggle with? I don't know. Really frustrated today bouncing these thoughts around in my head.

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If you could lose your salvation by sinning than the bad news is you've already lost it and there's no way for you to get it back. The even worse news is that we would ALL be lost. Why? Hebrews 9:28 says that salvation is a once for all process. Hebrews 6:4-6 also says that it is impossible for you to lose your salvation and if it were possible you couldn't get it back.


Simply put? We all sin. God knew about every single sin that you would and I and everybody would ever commit BEFORE he formed the world. So he made a plan to send Jesus Christ who was fully God in the flesh to die for those sins so that they could ALL be forgiven when a person places their permanent faith in Jesus. This means that technically if the whole world would turn to Jesus than the whole world could be saved. Forever. Sallvation is a one time forever process. So no you cannot lose your salvation. If you ever were saved you are saved forever. Period.

In Matthew we are told who will be saved, namely "But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved."

Yes someone can. Just because I enter school doesn't mean I automatically graduate. There is work and testing involved. Just because I get a job does not mean I keep it if I keep purposely sabatoging the job. BUT PLEASE DO NOT CONDEMN YOURSELF! If you are truly in Christ and desire to change then there might be some demonic influences that came through your bloodline or through past sins to influence you and bound you. We should only be bound to Christ and when we sin it binds us to the spirits who cause us to sin and not to Christ only. Deliverance is possible! If you truly desire to be delivered from these horrible influences that are causing you great harm there is hope and there is help!

Solution Ideas:
(1) Clean that house! Throw away any physical copies of dirty media.
(2) Pray! You can use "Prayers that Rout Demons" by John Eckhardt against lust, inappropriate content, etc.
(3) Call Gene Moody! He is a Pastor that lives in Louisiana who will talk to you for free about deliverance.
(3a) Read the Word! Start with the Gospels! Read the Words of Jesus to feed your Spiritman.
(3b) Read Jim Cymbala's books "Fresh Wind, Fresh Fire" and "Fresh Power"
(4) Go get deliverance! If this is a new term for you remember 1/3 of Jesus' ministry was casting out demons that caused people to act in ways they did not want to act like. Here are some deliverance ministers below :
New York - Prophet Ed Citronnelli (please schedule yourself a private deliverance session)
New York - Alexander Pagani - He also wrote a book called "Secrets to Deliverance"
New Jersey or Pennsylvania - Dr. Lassiter @prophet_lass - tweet/ask a question, he does free Bible Study Calls every Thursday uberconference.com/roebc
New Jersey- John Zavlaris - He does deliverance sessions same day you show up to service. Call his ministry and share with them what is happening!
Louisiana - Gene Moody - he has a book called Deliverance Manual available for FREE on demonbuster.com
Online - Win Worley - youtube Win Worley Mass Deliverance and learn from this man of God!

I'm believing God for your deliverance! Don't worry yourself about can you lose something. YES you can. But focus on HOW CLOSE can you get to Jesus in fellowship and how FAR can you grow in the Holy Spirit? When you are thinking on the things in Colossians 3:2 you won't have to worry about losing salvation because through God you will be gaining Holiness.

Kenny'sID said:

You do realize that when you tell us we will go to Hell for watching secular movies or for gaming, you're doing just as you say we should not do when you say "and sure somebody can make up their own rules on holiness,". You're not only making up rules, but attempting to impose them on others, and put a guilt trip on those who do what is not forbidden.

There are so many things that are specially forbidden in the bible, things that we definitely cannot do, so to me it makes no sense at all to try to take away what little joy we are allowed, what little that God has NOT specially said not too.

If those thing cause you problems, you definitely shouldn't do them....they are sin...to you.

And BTW, the only thing you mention in your list that is sin specially is the inappropriate content. Also, I've a question for you, have you given up "money" one of the things you actually say will send us to hell/cause us to "not make it"?

I understand you mean well, but IMO, and FWIW, you are going too far.

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I replied to you in this thread here.

Earth18 said:

Max Lucado reminds Christians who doubt their salvation that 'God does not let go'

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I replied to you in this thread here.

No, absolutely not. Once we are saved, in Heaven, we are three eternally. However, no-one still on Earth is already saved. That unbiblical tradition of Protestantism is totally false. A pastor of a Protestant church serves his congregation for 25 years, is loved and admired by his congregation. They all say he guided them to become saved. They he abandons his wife and runs off with his secretary, and they all say, He was never saved in the first place". Right! And neither are they.

football5680 said:

The better question is "Can you know if you are saved?" because without this knowledge, the question is irrelevant.

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From the testimonies I've heard and read, I think it's possible to get revelation on one's salvation; to know in your spirit. But I don't think this inner knowing is a requirement. I think there are many Christians with a lackadaisical false sense of security regarding their salvation in their belief in these false doctrines. On the other hand, there's probably a lot of people that truly are saved but don't fully believe it. For what's hanging on the line with this matter, I wish more people took it more seriously.

I do apologize if the following verse has already been quoted, I did read through the thread albeit rather quickly...

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

This verse imo is a clear indication that we must not fall away, as our salvation is at stake.

C Johnson said:

I searched this online (bad idea for someone like me who constantly overthinks) and come to the conclusion im not as saved as i thought I was. A lot of my sins i haven't disclosed, meaning I've hid behind the cover of Gods grace. I sinned? Ask forgiveness. Sinned against or harmed someone? Ask forgiveness. Stole, lied or cheated (even in my current relationship) ask forgiveness. Some sins such as cursing, watching inappropriate content, talking behind peoples backs I've done without even thinking.

That said, I read an article today and it totally messed up my day because if salvation is that easy to lose, why do it? Is it as easy as asking for forgiveness of the sins mentioned above? Some of which i still struggle with? I don't know. Really frustrated today bouncing these thoughts around in my head.

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Everyone including Christians sin. However not all Christians make a habit of practicing sin as you allude to. Sinful habits are repetitive in nature and by doing so we demonstrate that we have not genuinely repented of those sins - since we keep doing them. Does that make sense? Without repentance, there is no forgiveness. Repentance is a process as ingrained sin is a stronghold and is hard to break but you must want to do it and flee from sin instead of yielding to it. It is good for you to question what you have been believing/doing as that is the first step.

Oldmantook said:

Everyone including Christians sin. However not all Christians make a habit of practicing sin as you allude to. Sinful habits are repetitive in nature and by doing so we demonstrate that we have not genuinely repented of those sins - since we keep doing them. Does that make sense? Without repentance, there is no forgiveness. Repentance is a process as ingrained sin is a stronghold and is hard to break but you must want to do it and flee from sin instead of yielding to it. It is good for you to question what you have been believing/doing as that is the first step.

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Are you implying that if we repent "correctly" that we no longer desire to sin?

Jason0047 said:

I replied to you in this thread here.

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I see I touched a nerve with you. Work on it, meditate on the word, pray more than preach and our Amazing Father will heal it within you and make you stronger. Have a great day!

C Johnson said:

I searched this online (bad idea for someone like me who constantly overthinks) and come to the conclusion im not as saved as i thought I was. A lot of my sins i haven't disclosed, meaning I've hid behind the cover of Gods grace. I sinned? Ask forgiveness. Sinned against or harmed someone? Ask forgiveness. Stole, lied or cheated (even in my current relationship) ask forgiveness. Some sins such as cursing, watching inappropriate content, talking behind peoples backs I've done without even thinking.

That said, I read an article today and it totally messed up my day because if salvation is that easy to lose, why do it? Is it as easy as asking for forgiveness of the sins mentioned above? Some of which i still struggle with? I don't know. Really frustrated today bouncing these thoughts around in my head.

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You need some straight talk. My advice to you is to seek the baptism of the Holy Spirit. But in order for you to receive the Spirit you must WANT to be free from sin and to never get dirty again. So which is it? Do you love darkness so much you don't want to make Jesus Lord of your life and obey Him, or do you want to be holy?

John the Baptist's ministry was to make straight the path to Jesus, namely repentance from sin.

Acts 2:38 shows that by truly repenting Jesus gives us the power of the Holy Spirit. The law was given because of SIN, and what it did was to show us our SIN. So the issue has always been SIN. It was what separated man from God. What Jesus did was take away our desire to sin. The old nature inherited from Adam's sin is killed and replaced by a new nature that hates sin and has no desire to sin. This is the only reason we are no longer under the law. Romans 6:2 says we are dead to sin. That is only through the power of the Spirit. Therefore anyone who continues to commit lawlessness is of the devil and does not belong to Christ. We must walk in the Spirit and not give any place to the flesh.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.... But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

John 8:34-36
34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

1 John 3:4-9
4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Romans 8 said:

Are you implying that if we repent "correctly" that we no longer desire to sin?

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No; we will all sin until the die we die as 1 John 1 declares that no one is without sin. Therefore even if we repent, we will still occasionally commit sin. There's a difference between occasional sin which we repent of and habitual sin, the practice of which demonstrates that we have not repented.

Oldmantook said:

No; we will all sin until the die we die as 1 John 1 declares that no one is without sin. Therefore even if we repent, we will still occasionally commit sin. There's a difference between occasional sin which we repent of and habitual sin, the practice of which demonstrates that we have not repented.

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That is not true. What 1 John 1 means is everyone born since Adam has inherited a sin nature, just like Paul meant when he said, "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." IOW no one is born without a sin nature. But that does not apply to someone walking in the Spirit, for those who walk in the Spirit are not sinning. 1 John 1:8-9 shows us that all have sinned, and what we need to do is repent and ALL SIN IS TAKEN AWAY. So if all your sin is gone, are you a sinner still, or a son?

John 3:34-36
34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

Earth18 said:

I see I touched a nerve with you. Work on it, meditate on the word, pray more than preach and our Amazing Father will heal it within you and make you stronger. Have a great day!

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It’s not personal. The Bible says Abhor that which is evil. I hate the sin, but love the sinner. Pointing out error or sin does not mean I am being hateful.

Jason0047 said:

It’s not personal. The Bible says Abhor that which is evil. I hate the sin, but love the sinner.

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Me too

1stcenturylady said:

That is not true. What 1 John 1 means is everyone born since Adam has inherited a sin nature, just like Paul meant when he said, "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." IOW no one is born without a sin nature. But that does not apply to someone walking in the Spirit, for those who walk in the Spirit are not sinning. 1 John 1:8-9 shows us that all have sinned, and what we need to do is repent and ALL SIN IS TAKEN AWAY. So if all your sin is gone, are you a sinner still, or a son?

John 3:34-36
34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

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So are you claiming that you are without sin? Do you claim that since becoming saved, you have never sinned? 1 Jn 1 states a condition - IF you are walking in the light. It does not state SINCE you are walking in the light. The word "if" indicates possibility only - not certainty. IF indicates some believers will choose to walk in the light while others will choose to walk in darkness.