So why Seven Heads

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HI Doug

What are you talking about. You are changing the subject. Said one thing and one thing only ....what you are on about I have no idea and it has nothing to do with what I said.

I was making a very simple point. Beast Heads and Horns are Kingdoms. Scripture clearly says so.
 
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The question is, is the "Roman Empire" with us today? :eek:
I think we do have a few Roman Italians in Texas.....

John 11:48
"If-ever we may be be letting Him thus, all shall be believing in Him.
And shall be coming the Romans and they shall be taking away of Us and the Place and the Nation
[Reve 6:6/14:8]

Matthew 21:43
Therefore I am saying to ye, that the Kingdom of the God shall be being taken-away from Ye
and it shall be being given to a Nation doing the Fruits of it.

Reve 12:8
And not he is strong, neither Place was found of Them still in the Heaven.

Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denari and three choinex of barleys a denari, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring"."
 
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Why Does Daniels Fourth Beast have seven heads?

Why Does The Beast in Rv 13 have seven Heads?

Hi JTF,

Actually there are SEVEN World Empires! And these SEVEN are also accounted for in Rev. 12 & Rev. 17.

It's a simple exercise, you start with Daniel Chapter 2*:
1. Gold, Babylonia -- 1 of 5 has fallen
2. Silver, Medo/Persian -- 2 of 5 has fallen
3. Bronze, Grecian -- 3 of 5 has fallen
4. Iron, Roman -- 4 of 5 has fallen
-- Clay, "divided"​

Then add in Chapter 7 First Three Beasts:
-- 5. Lion/Eagle, U.K./U.S. -- 5 of 5 has fallen from preeminence
-- 6. Bear, Russia -- "one is" when it attacks Israel
-- 7. Leopard (actually a "Tiger"), China -- "is yet to come" when it spanks Russia​


... and then the Fourth Beast:
-- 8. "Dreadful", United Nations* -- "was and is not", and has NO Geography, NO Populous, NO Army, etc.
* Please note that the U.N. has already identified the FIVE ADDITIONAL nominees to the Permanent Membership of the Security Council, which will sum to the TEN Toes/Horns/Diadems.

And finally include the close of Jesus' Reign on earth, and Eternity in Heaven:
9. Great Stone, Jesus' Millennial Kingdom
10. New Jerusalem, eternity in Heaven​


Now you won't find this in any commentary, but for what it's worth ...


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I was making a very simple point. Beast Heads and Horns are Kingdoms. Scripture clearly says so.
The problem is that you are making a blanket statement. If the text say kings - then you cannot use a blanket statement you came up with to revise the kings in the text to being kingdoms.
 
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Hi Doug

Daniel is that basis of all the explanations regarding beast and heads and horns. Revelation does not explain these symbols because it does not need to Daniel does. The explanations in Daniel carry over to Revelation.

What do you think a King is the King of?
 
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Daniel is that basis of all the explanations regarding beast and heads and horns. Revelation does not explain these symbols because it does not need to Daniel does. The explanations in Daniel carry over to Revelation.
JTF, what you are doing is trying to create some universal rule to justify making the 7 kings in Revelation 17:10 as kingdoms.

In the text of Daniel 7, the four beasts are four kings - relevant to the four kingdoms.

The beasts also represent four kingdoms because the term fourth kingdom is in the text.

The 7 kings in Revelation 17:10 are relevant to the 7mountains, a location which is Rome, and to the fourth kingdom, the Roman Empire.

Revelation does explain the symbolism of the 7 heads; it has to because Daniel 7 does not have 7 Kings coming out of the earth. And the fourth beast in Daniel 7 has only one head. The one head has the ten horns on it, the ten kings that will rule with the one head.

Revelation 17:11 explains that one head of Daniel 7's fourth beast, having the iron teeth.

Revelation 17:11 the beast, the 8th sequential king = the one head on the Daniel 7 fourth beast, with the ten horns on it.

I need to make photoshop visual of the beast in Daniel 7, and another for the beast in Revelation 12, another for the beast in Revelation 13, another for the beast in Revelation 17.


What do you think a King is the King of?
"a" king ? or multiple kings? Revelation 17:10 is talking about 7 "sequential" kings over one kingdom.

Just as there have been multiple "sequential" kings of France, England, etc.
 
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You missed on this one.

Gabriel, in Daniel 8:23, is talking about the (kingdom of) the transgressors for the vision of desolating the temple, which is time of the end.

The leopard Greek kingdom in Daniel 7, with the four heads is history to us. Those kings are long gone.
No connection to the end times. Except for identifying the territory in Daniel 8:9, that the little horn will come from with his strong army into the middle east. I think RT uses this passage in his view that the little horn will be from Greece. I think it is more of where the person stages his army right before Gog/Magog.

Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

No I didn't miss on this one.

Daniel 7
9“As I looked,
thrones were placed,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat;
his clothing was white as snow,
and the hair of his head like pure wool;
his throne was fiery flames;
its wheels were burning fire.

10A stream of fire issued
and came out from before him;
a thousand thousands served him,
and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him;
the court sat in judgment,
and the books were opened.

11“I looked then because of the sound of the great words that the horn was speaking. And as I looked, the beast was killed, and its body destroyed and given over to be burned with fire.

12As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.

Which beast is killed? It is the 4th beast, the dragon with 10 horns. The other beasts, the lion, bear, & leopard are given an extension of life = the dragon gives his throne to the 11th horn (the Daniel 7 little horn) at Revelation 13:1-5.

The 'prolonged life' = the beast from the sea's lion, bear, & leopard. The 4 headed leopard is not ancient history, it is right there until the end.
 
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... The Final version of the Holy Roman Empire is Underway and with Britain soon out it will move much faster.

MEMBERS:
  1. Austria
  2. Belgium
  3. Bulgaria
  4. Croatia
  5. Cyprus
  6. Czech Republic
  7. Denmark
  8. Estonia
  9. Finland
  10. France
  11. Germany
  12. Greece
  13. Hungary
  14. Ireland
  15. Italy
  16. Latvia
  17. Lithuania
  18. Luxembourg
  19. Malta
  20. Netherlands
  21. Poland
  22. Portugal
  23. Romania
  24. Slovakia
  25. Slovenia
  26. Spain
  27. Sweden
  28. United Kingdom

APPLICANTS:
  1. Albania
  2. Montenegro
  3. Serbia
  4. The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
  5. Turkey

CANDIDATES:
  1. Bosnia and Herzegovina
  2. Kosovo

Yep, the U.K. isn't even out, so 18 need to go -- to get down to 10.


Maybe history and geopolitics is not for everyone!
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the dragon/ the 4th beast kingdom/ the Daniel 8 little horn is the 7th head. The little horn of Daniel 7 is the 8th head. You keep saying that the 'reincarnated'/ resurrected 7th head is the 8th head, which makes no sense unless the mortally head wounded individual gets a head transplant (which hey I hear they are working on this).
No I don't say reincarnated, nor resurrected. But come back to life, as his body will not be put in the grave.

It will be like somebody dying and a funeral for him - and the person setting up in the casket alive again. After being dead for three or four days.

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There is no 8th head. I don't know where you getting that. The seven heads on the beast are 7 kings. The beast himself will be the 8th king, having been of the seven. It doesn't mean 8th head. It means the 7th king becomes the 8th king/ and will become possessed by the unclean spirit of the beast now in the bottomless pit..
 
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At the 7th trumpet, 1 lion head+ 1 bear head + 4 leopard heads + 1 dragon head (now the Daniel 7 little horn) with 10 kings= rev 13’s beast from the sea.

In Revelation 13...

1 head mortally wounded but come back to life with a mouth like a lion, + bear feet + leopard body + 6 other heads (without crowns)= 7 heads on the Revelation 13 beast.

The ram is the 'bear' of Daniel 7 & the 4 horns are the 4 headed leopard of Daniel 7

At the 'latter end' of the 4 headed leopard kingdom, the 4th kingdom arrives (aka the dragon with 10 horns)

The little horn in Daniel 8 is end times. The great horn in Daniel 8 is Alexander, historic. The four horns that come up in Alexander's place are Lysimachus, Cassander, Ptolemy and Seleucus.
 
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The four horns that come up in Alexander's place are Lysimachus, Cassander, Ptolemy and Seleucus.

FIVE. History account for FIVE Generals:

Antipater taking Macedonia and Greece, Lysimachus Thrace, Antigonus Asia Minor, Selecucs Babylonea, and Ptolemy Egypt.”[1]
[1] Durant, Will, Story of Civilization: Part I, Simon and Schuster, NY, 1954, pp. 557-558

... and Cyrus NEVER had a dual monarchy as the "Ram" with "two horns" is assigned.

Doesn't anyone have a History book?!?


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Why Does Daniels Fourth Beast have seven heads?

Why Does The Beast in Rv 13 have seven Heads?

Daniels 4th beast is followed by 10 horns, 3 of which are displaced. Daniels 4th beast does not have 7 heads. We need to look elsewhere to understand the relationship between Daniel and Revelation.
 
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FIVE. History account for FIVE Generals:

Antipater taking Macedonia and Greece, Lysimachus Thrace, Antigonus Asia Minor, Selecucs Babylonea, and Ptolemy Egypt.”[1]
[1] Durant, Will, Story of Civilization: Part I, Simon and Schuster, NY, 1954, pp. 557-558

... and Cyrus NEVER had a dual monarchy as the "Ram" with "two horns" is assigned.

Doesn't anyone have a History book?!?


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What I am reading that were was a power struggle among generals following Alexander's death - and the result was that Lysimachus, Cassander, Ptolemy and Seleucus were the ones who came out on top.
 
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Daniels 4th beast is followed by 10 horns, 3 of which are displaced. Daniels 4th beast does not have 7 heads. We need to look elsewhere to understand the relationship between Daniel and Revelation.
Daniel'4 fourth beast has one head though with iron teeth. Plus a little horn to the ten horns. Which these verses, put the little horn end times

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
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The little horn king is the 7th head king in Revelation 17. Who is wounded and comes back to life in Revelation 13, as the beast continuing for a short time of 42 months.

I would say in Revelation 13, of the heads, after he is killed and come back to life he is the big head. Which the ten horns are upon.

The question is CG in Daniel 7, those ten horns are upon the head (implied) with the iron teeth - right ? If we call it also the big head....would that not be some what in line with the Revelation 13 beast?
 
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DaDad said:
FIVE. History account for FIVE Generals:

Antipater taking Macedonia and Greece, Lysimachus Thrace, Antigonus Asia Minor, Selecucs Babylonea, and Ptolemy Egypt.”[1]
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[1] Durant, Will, Story of Civilization: Part I, Simon and Schuster, NY, 1954, pp. 557-558
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What I am reading that were was a power struggle among generals following Alexander's death - and the result was that Lysimachus, Cassander, Ptolemy and Seleucus were the ones who came out on top.

Yeah, but AFTER 40 YEARS!!! So maybe we shouldn't count TEN Presidential Terms-Of-Office, --- what --, because it doesn't match someone's agenda?

Here's 10 Presidents which we can discount because they weren't strictly Democratic OR Republican*:
02 Adams, John Federalist -- 1 term
03 Jefferson, Thomas Democratic-Republican -- 2 terms
04 Madison, James Democratic-Republican -- 2 terms
05 Monroe, James Democratic-Republican -- 2 terms
06 Adams, John Quincy Democratic-Republican -- 1 term

09 Harrison, William Henry Whig -- ONE MONTH
10 Tyler, John Whig -- THREE YEARS, ELEVEN MONTHS

12 Taylor, Zachary Whig -- ONE YEAR, FOUR MONTHS
13 Fillmore, Millard Whig -- TWO YEARS, SEVEN MONTHS

17 Johnson, Andrew War Union -- THREE YEARS, TEN MONTHS​

* Please note that Washington was undesignated.
Or, keeping apples-to-apples, we can throw out TWELVE years of partial Terms-Of-Office (#'s 09 thru 17), and then maybe throw in the additional TWENTY-EIGHT years of "Democratic-Republican" for the TOTAL of 40 YEARS of U.S. Presidents which History should ignore.

There! I think we're "apples-to-apples". :)


See, we can contrive History to suit any misrepresentation of History. All we need is a little "Intellectual Dishonesty". :) :)


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