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CAN WE BE SAVED WHILE CONTINUING IN KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN? WHAT IS SIN? WHAT IS RIGHTEOUSNESS?
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1. What is sin?
It is missing the mark. In the case of Adam and Eve they missed the mark when they ate fruit from a forbidden tree. To fail to achieve the result that was intended by the will of the Father.
2. What is rightouesness?
It is the ongoing condition of obedience set forth by the will of the Father.
3. What is repentance?
To change one's mind and turn away from sin in order to stay the course and do the will of the Father.
4. What do we repent from?
SIN
5. Can we be saved while continuing in known unrepentant sin?
Not really. I am not one to judge however, based on scripture and my limited understanding this is where Christians begin to mix the meaning of repentance and forgiveness. They are not the same thing. God really wants us to walk in righteousness and that is not possible if your sin gets in the way.
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I did already agree with you that we need to walk in God's SPIRIT to be RIGHTEOUS. What I asked you however from the OP you did not answer. I believe walking in God's SPIRIT leads to RIGHTOEUSNESS, but what is RIGHTOUESNESS accoding to God's WORD? Also, if someone is living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are they in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God? As I posted earlier you do not have to answer the questions if you do not know what the answer is or you do not want to. It is up to you. Have a nice time swimming.
God bless.
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Hello Maria nice to see you and thank you for sharing your thoughts. I pretty much agree with most of your post. What do you think the mark is that we are to aim for but sometimes miss? Also are we accountable to God if something is sin but we do not yet know something is sin? I will post the scriptures for all of the above at a latter time. Thanks for sharing your thoughts sister. Well written.
God bless.
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[Staff edit].
As I said, if someone is walking in the Spirit they CANNOT walk in unrepentant sin. So therefore, if someone is walking in unrepentant sin, of course they are NOT SAVED and do not have the Spirit.
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We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.
Once again if you have answered my questions please forgive me, where did you answer them? Could you please provide the link? Once again here are my questions that I posted to you in case you did not understand them correctly.
1. What is RIGHTOUESNESS accoding to God's WORD?
2. If someone is living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are they in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?
As I posted earlier you do not have to answer the questions if you do not know what the answer is or you do not want to. It is up to you. I am happy to provide the scriptures latter.
Only posted in LOVE and as a help.
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The mark is "The Fathers will". No we are not accountable for ignorance of sin however we are born with the natural instincts to define good and evil just as Noah was able to and the rest who were found righteous in the eyes of God.
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Hi Maria, good post. Yes I also believe that walking with God is the work of lifetime. As we continue in God's WORD we learn more about how to follow God. In the beginning we are as babes that do not know much but God expects us to keep learning through BELIEVING and FOLLOWING his WORD *JOHN 8:31-36. When we do not know something is wrong God does not hold us accountable until we have had the opportunity to KNOW if something is wrong or not. At this time when God reveals to us a KNOWLEDGE of his truth then God expects us to BELIEVE and FOLLOW him.
Repentance and missing the mark? I think you touched on it in your earlier post. I believe it is to do with SIN. What is sin should possibly be the question as it is SIN that we are to repent from. What is it that gives us the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS in God's WORD?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts sister.
God bless.
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Again.. Sin... putting our will before the will of God (see Eve) What may you ask is our will but the self serving self justifying ways of man that seeks gain at the expense of others and self justifies such by redefining good and evil to suit the deed.
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
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Hamartia is the New Testament word, in means 'missing the mark'. An archers term, if your a hunter and miss you go hungry, a soilder your enemy gets another chance to kill you. The isea is missing the mark which in the New Testament is called righteousness. Obviously fornication, murder, theft are all sins the grieve and offend God who is by nature, righteous, just and holy. Essentially sin is moral failure, lists of sins are common in the New Testament, often contrasted with the virtues of righteousness. Colosians 3:5-8 have such a list. It's conteasted with a list of virtues in Colossians 3:9-14.
It's the divine nature, communicated to us through the person and work of Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit. It's the God given ability to walk according to the will of the Father. The very first Psalm indicates is predicated on being focus on the Word of God, bearing the fruit of holiness.
A turning from our earthly nature, a process by which the sinner puts away the the offensive acts that grieve the heart of God. Jesus describes this process in the Beatitudes whereby the sinner becomes a discple in the Sermon on that Mount (Matt. 5). Paul also describes it at length in Romans 6.
First of all the thoughts and inclinations of the heart. Then there is whats referred to as taming the tongue (James 3:1-2). The list of things called sin could be extensive, but the earnest disciple first turns the heart fron sin to the things of God. This requires a miracle of courae, repentance like everything else in salvation, is a gift of God.
Sadly yes, but it's a miserable existance for a believer who has wandered into one of those traps. It matters the nature of the sin, as well, but make no mistake, willfull sin is opposed to grace. Sure you can be saved, but it's as by fire (1 Cor. 3:15)
Excellent questions, I hope I've contributed something that will move the conversation in a mutually edifying way.
Grace and peace,
Mark
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I just posted this in another thread, but if opinions are not welcome you may ignore it.
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Gods sovereignty & our free will
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1.
1 John 3:4 (NIV2011)
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
The question here is rather "what law?"
2. (opinion, can thus be ignored)
Righteousness is a measurement against a particular set of law, or a particular covenant. A covenant serves the purpose of identifying the righteous (saved) from the wicked (unsaved). So a new covenant needs to be in effect at the point that the previous covenant failed to serve this purpose. We all sinned in accordance to an older covenant applied to us. We however can be the righteous when measured against the New Covenant by accepting Jesus Christ to be our savior.
3. (opinion, can thus be ignored)
Repentance is the prerequisite of forgiveness. A woman has 10 sons. A killer killed her first son. Then he asked her for forgiveness while promising her that he's going to kill her second, third, fourth.....sons. Of course the woman refused. Is she not a forgiving woman in this case. The answer is no. It doesn't stand a case of forgiveness as long as the killer refuses to repent. Repentance here means to regret and to stop the crime deed.
4. (opinion, can thus be ignored)
Repent from our deeds which hurt the victims, or offended the law. In terms of God's Law and covenants, we offended God. We thus repent from our sins in order to be forgiven.
5. (opinion, can thus be ignored)
This is a complication. It is a yes and no, but more of a yes. Salvation in the end is by a subjective judgment carried out by Jesus Christ, as long as we are subject to a covenant (while each and every human is). We need to learn the correct way of dealing with our sins (that ties to the concept of holiness). In my link above, I actually listed a sin which each and every today's Christian may fail to deal with in his life time, before he's saved.
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Gods sovereignty & our free will
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1.
1 John 3:4 (NIV2011)
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
The question here is rather "what law?"
2. (opinion, can thus be ignored)
Righteousness is a measurement against a particular set of law, or a particular covenant. A covenant serves the purpose of identifying the righteous (saved) from the wicked (unsaved). So a new covenant needs to be in effect at the point that the previous covenant failed to serve this purpose. We all sinned in accordance to an older covenant applied to us. We however can be the righteous when measured against the New Covenant by accepting Jesus Christ to be our savior.
3. (opinion, can thus be ignored)
Repentance is the prerequisite of forgiveness. A woman has 10 sons. A killer killed her first son. Then he asked her for forgiveness while promising her that he's going to kill her second, third, fourth.....sons. Of course the woman refused. Is she not a forgiving woman in this case. The answer is no. It doesn't stand a case of forgiveness as long as the killer refuses to repent. Repentance here means to regret and to stop the crime deed.
4. (opinion, can thus be ignored)
Repent from our deeds which hurt the victims, or offended the law. In terms of God's Law and covenants, we offended God. We thus repent from our sins in order to be forgiven.
5. (opinion, can thus be ignored)
This is a complication. It is a yes and no, but more of a yes. Salvation in the end is by a subjective judgment carried out by Jesus Christ, as long as we are subject to a covenant (while each and every human is). We need to learn the correct way of dealing with our sins (that ties to the concept of holiness). In my link above, I actually listed a sin which each and every today's Christian may fail to deal with in his life time, before he's saved.
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Hi brother friend of,
Absolutely, nice and simple post and right to the point. What if you have not been doing it to begin with? The other thought is can we do it without God? Thanks for sharing your thoughts though I know what your means. As Chrsitians only God's WORD is true and we should believe and FOLLOW it.
God bless.
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Hi Mark nice to see you again,
Good post and thanks for sharing your thoughts which I mostly agree with. Sin is defineately missing the mark. What is the mark that we are missing as defined in the scriptures in your view and how do we know what sin is and how does God's WORD define what rightouesness is? We do have a sinful nature that sins but how does God's WORD define what sin is?
Thanks Mark great answers and thanks for sharing
God bless.
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I just posted this in another thread, but if opinions are not welcome you may ignore it.
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Gods sovereignty & our free will
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1.
1 John 3:4 (NIV2011)
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
The question here is rather "what law?"
2. (opinion, can thus be ignored)
Righteousness is a measurement against a particular set of law, or a particular covenant. A covenant serves the purpose of identifying the righteous (saved) from the wicked (unsaved). So a new covenant needs to be in effect at the point that the previous covenant failed to serve this purpose. We all sinned in accordance to an older covenant applied to us. We however can be the righteous when measured against the New Covenant by accepting Jesus Christ to be our savior.
3. (opinion, can thus be ignored)
Repentance is the prerequisite of forgiveness. A woman has 10 sons. A killer killed her first son. Then he asked her for forgiveness while promising her that he's going to kill her second, third, fourth.....sons. Of course the woman refused. Is she not a forgiving woman in this case. The answer is no. It doesn't stand a case of forgiveness as long as the killer refuses to repent. Repentance here means to regret and to stop the crime deed.
4. (opinion, can thus be ignored)
Repent from our deeds which hurt the victims, or offended the law. In terms of God's Law and covenants, we offended God. We thus repent from our sins in order to be forgiven.
5. (opinion, can thus be ignored)
This is a complication. It is a yes and no, but more of a yes. Salvation in the end is by a subjective judgment carried out by Jesus Christ, as long as we are subject to a covenant (while each and every human is). We need to learn the correct way of dealing with our sins (that ties to the concept of holiness). In my link above, I actually listed a sin which each and every today's Christian may fail to deal with in his life time, before he's saved.
Hi brother Hawkins,
Nice post. You have not provided much scripture but there is scripture for much of what you are sharing here brother. Nice examples to. Thanks for sharing your thoughts brother.
God bless.
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Then we are being hypocritical and His words are falling on deaf ears. We are drawing near to him with our tongues while our hearts are far from Him. Let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.
Self-sufficiency is rooted in pride. We can do nothing of ourselves that is worth any true lasting value God's sight. We grow in the faith by relying more on the Lord and less on our selves.
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1. What is sin? NOT BEING LIKE GOD
2. What is rightouesness? BEING LIKE GOD
3. What is repentance? TO STOP BEING EGO-DRIVEN AND BE LIKE GOD
4. What do we repent from? BEING ANIMALISTIC
5. Can we be saved while continuing in known unrepentant sin? SALVATION CAN BE A LONG PROCESS AND BELIEVE ME, IF YOU ARE BREATHING AND ALIVE ON PLANET EARTH, YOU ARE SINNING IN SOME WAY.
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2. What is rightouesness? BEING LIKE GOD
3. What is repentance? TO STOP BEING EGO-DRIVEN AND BE LIKE GOD
4. What do we repent from? BEING ANIMALISTIC
5. Can we be saved while continuing in known unrepentant sin? SALVATION CAN BE A LONG PROCESS AND BELIEVE ME, IF YOU ARE BREATHING AND ALIVE ON PLANET EARTH, YOU ARE SINNING IN SOME WAY.
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