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Jesus says if you look upon a woman in lust, you have committed adultery already in your heart. So the mind sin is no different than the actual physical sin to Jesus.

In the OT, God told the Israelites to kill sorcerers. That should give you an idea of how bad of a sin this was to God. So if a person pretends to be a sorcerer, they are in a sense committing the actual sin in their heart in God's eyes. They are doing evil in their mind. Remember, the flood happened in part because men's thoughts were evil continually. So it was not just the acting of sin that was wrong, but it was their sinful thoughts, too.

A video game is just pixels on a screen. I don't take a hyper-fundamentalist approach to life. I decided a long time ago I'm not going to stop listening to certain music or playing video games as a certain class based on another person's list of what is sinful. There was someone on Youtube called the Vigilant Christian, and he had a huge long list of what he considered to be demonic. Wasn't much left when you went through what was on his list.

Same concept.
 
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I actually consider myself to be more introverted when I was younger when I played role playing games (Which was before I accepted Christ).

Funnily, I think I became more introverted after finding Christ. Like you, I'm cautious of a lot of the influences of the world as well, which is why I need to take a break every so often. Where you see the danger of idle hobbies, I see a lot of the danger of the various social circles in my life. I'm still trying to find a balance, where I don't push too many people away.

Btw, I understand your zeal for wanting to spread the Gospel. It's just that some of this kind of reminded me of how the world already looks at introverts, with or without Christ. They're already looked at as weird. Try not to add to it.
 
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Are Roleplaying Games Sinful?

I believe they are. Let me explain before you stone me.

#1. Sin can happen in the mind and be regarded just as the equivalent of a physical sin. The fantasy of committing adultery with a woman is considered as the very act of adultery according to Jesus. For He says, "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28). So the desire to lust after a woman in one's heart (even in fantasy type way) is still the same as adultery. For Jesus says in Matthew 15:19-20, "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man." So to have evil thoughts means we can be defiled by such evil thoughts. To hate one's brother is the equivalent of murder (See 1 John 3:15).

#2. So if a person fantasizes about being sorcerer, they are committing sin because the Bible condemns sorcery. Just merely saying it is fantasy does not undo the sin. A person can fantasize about women, but this would be condemned by Jesus in Matthew 5:28-30. Even if they think real sorcery is wrong, the fact that they toy with the idea of the sin of sorcery in some fantasy world does not make it any less sinful.

#3. One of the major reasons to play a role playing game is to escape into a world of fantasy. I know. I used to be something like a Dungeon Master but it was not D&D, but another roleplaying game. The Bible says, "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;" (2 Corinthians 10:5). Jesus says pick up your cross, deny yourself and come follow me (See Matthew 16:24-26). So our escape should be in the Bible and in following Jesus and not in a role playing game that satisfies the lusts of the flesh with vain and sinful imaginations.

#4. Can a person play a Bible based roleplaying game and not sin?
I think it would be difficult to do so. The problem I see is that the Dungeon Master in a Bible based roleplaying game would be acting as if they are God in the story. So if your goal was to get somebody saved in the game, the dungeon master would have to step in for God by creating openings and or obstacles for the scenario to take place (Thus taking the position of God). This would not be a problem if they were simply writing a script for a book, movie, or comic book because they are not making such a creation as if it was some kind of game to have fun over for our enjoyment. The battle we fight spiritually should never be treated as some kind of game of enjoyment on our behalf. The purpose of a Christian fantasy book, movie, comic book should be to lead others to Jesus Christ. But if a person is going to play a Bible based role playing game it seems like an escape from doing the real thing. We have to as believes get our hands dirty in reaching lost souls and in helping the poor. This cannot be done in some fantasy world amongst ourselves for pure entertainment with the rolling of some dice. We can spend all our time wishing or fantasizing about reaching the lost, but if we are not actually doing that personally ourselves, we miss the point of what it means to be a follower of Jesus Christ.

#5. Fantasy Roleplaying Games are something that is originally of the world. It's purpose is to lead others to escape reality into some fantasy world that can lead to doing sinful things in one's own mind. Such games are generally associated with sorcerers and magic (Which is clearly condemned in the Bible).

So why would any Christian want to associate with something like this?
Yes, escapism of this type is sinful in my experience. In fact, many things which are perceived as innocent or harmless are actually the opposite. Consider how much time LARPers and RPGers waste, playing? Consider the themes of many games? None of this is healthy.

Furthermore, interest in play magic can (not always does) lead into interest in "real magic". Finally, it's time wasted that could be better spent, reading the Bible or doing something more productive.

If you're into gaming, consider other hobbies? For me, I've selected crochet, photography, astronomy, nature watching, sewing, hunting, and fishing.

These things have replaced my old hobbies. Gaming, RPG, watching science fiction, and writing fiction. Also, Bible study, replaced my study of the occult and prayer to God, replaced my practice of occultism.
 
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My 3 yr old pretends he can fly, he sticks his arms out and runs around the house making all kinds of swooshing noises (sometimes I join along). I have no idea where he got this from as we haven't exposed him to any superhero genres but never-the-less he does it.

Now the ability for a human to stick his arms out in front of them and begin to fly would be a supernatural ability that a human is incapable of doing themselves. My 3 yr old is not pretending he is in a plane or some other thing that can fly he is pretending he is a super flying version of himself. In order for this to actually happen, he would have to draw this power from another source, good or bad, but I tend to think that's not going through his head (then again I've never asked).

There is a difference between children and adults. Paul says he put away childish things and childish understanding. When Jesus was referring to being converted like children, he was referring to entering the Kingdom of God. He was referring to how we have to be simple, and humbly obedient and open minded like children to accept God's Kingdom. God never intends us to remain as children. We are not to remain on the milk of the Word, but we are to grow thereby and eat of the meat of the Word so as to be able to discern between good and evil.

so where do we draw the line? is my 3 yr old committing the sin of sorcery or are their forms of role-playing that even though the abilities are unnatural they are not examples of lusting after power they don't have, competing with God or drawing strength from a dark source.

I doubt your son is actually thinking he is an actual magician. So no, he is not fantasizing as a sorcerer. You should ask him where he got the idea to fly from. If it is from watching birds, I am sure there is no harm in it. He is a child and he will in time put away childish things when he grows up.

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While we're on the subject should I hold off on burning my copy of Lord of the Rings too?

I don't believe a Christian should watch secular movies because they promote sinful things within them that a Christian should naturally feel repulsed by. Lord of the Rings is filled with sorcery and or magic (Which is condemned by God). If you hate the things God hates, then you would not want to even to involve yourself in watching such things. In other words, think of the worst sin that you can think of. Now, imagine watching movies on this particular sin as a part of some form of entertainment. If you are in service to the Lord and desire to seek after righteousness, you would desire to put away filling your mind with sinful things that are pushed by this world. We are told by John to love not the world and neither the things in this world. But sometimes, certain Christians need to stumble into sin by watching these things and feel disgusted by it before they can wake up and come out of indulging in secular entertainment.

Could there possibly be a form of good role-playing?

I already addressed this within the thread already.
 
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Yes, escapism of this type is sinful in my experience. In fact, many things which are perceived as innocent or harmless are actually the opposite. Consider how much time LARPers and RPGers waste, playing? Consider the themes of many games? None of this is healthy.

Furthermore, interest in play magic can (not always does) lead into interest in "real magic". Finally, it's time wasted that could be better spent, reading the Bible or doing something more productive.

If you're into gaming, consider other hobbies? For me, I've selected crochet, photography, astronomy, nature watching, sewing, hunting, and fishing.

These things have replaced my old hobbies. Gaming, RPG, watching science fiction, and writing fiction. Also, Bible study, replaced my study of the occult and prayer to God, replaced my practice of occultism.

Thank you, Zetetica.
 
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Are Roleplaying Games Sinful?

I believe they are. Let me explain before you stone me.

#1. Sin can happen in the mind and be regarded just as the equivalent of a physical sin. The fantasy of committing adultery with a woman is considered as the very act of adultery according to Jesus. For He says, "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28). So the desire to lust after a woman in one's heart (even in fantasy type way) is still the same as adultery. For Jesus says in Matthew 15:19-20, "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man." So to have evil thoughts means we can be defiled by such evil thoughts. To hate one's brother is the equivalent of murder (See 1 John 3:15).

#2. So if a person fantasizes about being sorcerer, they are committing sin because the Bible condemns sorcery. Just merely saying it is fantasy does not undo the sin. A person can fantasize about women, but this would be condemned by Jesus in Matthew 5:28-30. Even if they think real sorcery is wrong, the fact that they toy with the idea of the sin of sorcery in some fantasy world does not make it any less sinful.

#3. One of the major reasons to play a role playing game is to escape into a world of fantasy. I know. I used to be something like a Dungeon Master but it was not D&D, but another roleplaying game. The Bible says, "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;" (2 Corinthians 10:5). Jesus says pick up your cross, deny yourself and come follow me (See Matthew 16:24-26). So our escape should be in the Bible and in following Jesus and not in a role playing game that satisfies the lusts of the flesh with vain and sinful imaginations.

#4. Can a person play a Bible based roleplaying game and not sin?
I think it would be difficult to do so. The problem I see is that the Dungeon Master in a Bible based roleplaying game would be acting as if they are God in the story. So if your goal was to get somebody saved in the game, the dungeon master would have to step in for God by creating openings and or obstacles for the scenario to take place (Thus taking the position of God). This would not be a problem if they were simply writing a script for a book, movie, or comic book because they are not making such a creation as if it was some kind of game to have fun over for our enjoyment. The battle we fight spiritually should never be treated as some kind of game of enjoyment on our behalf. The purpose of a Christian fantasy book, movie, comic book should be to lead others to Jesus Christ. But if a person is going to play a Bible based role playing game it seems like an escape from doing the real thing. We have to as believes get our hands dirty in reaching lost souls and in helping the poor. This cannot be done in some fantasy world amongst ourselves for pure entertainment with the rolling of some dice. We can spend all our time wishing or fantasizing about reaching the lost, but if we are not actually doing that personally ourselves, we miss the point of what it means to be a follower of Jesus Christ.

#5. Fantasy Roleplaying Games are something that is originally of the world. It's purpose is to lead others to escape reality into some fantasy world that can lead to doing sinful things in one's own mind. Such games are generally associated with sorcerers and magic (Which is clearly condemned in the Bible).

So why would any Christian want to associate with something like this?
I put maybe because I’ve seen changes with people in college and the military playing those games. For some the lines of make believe blur into the “IRL.”
 
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Funnily, I think I became more introverted after finding Christ. Like you, I'm cautious of a lot of the influences of the world as well, which is why I need to take a break every so often. Where you see the danger of idle hobbies, I see a lot of the danger of the various social circles in my life. I'm still trying to find a balance, where I don't push too many people away.

Btw, I understand your zeal for wanting to spread the Gospel. It's just that some of this kind of reminded me of how the world already looks at introverts, with or without Christ. They're already looked at as weird. Try not to add to it.

The life of a Christian is going to be an offense because we do not run with them.

"Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you" (1 Peter 4:4).
 
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I don't believe a Christian should watch secular movies because they promote sinful things within them that a Christian should naturally feel repulsed by. Lord of the Rings is filled with sorcery and or magic (Which is condemned by God). If you hate the things God hates, then you would not want to even to involve yourself in watching such things. In other words, think of the worst sin that you can think of. Now, imagine watching movies on this particular sin as a part of some form of entertainment. If you are in service to the Lord and desire to seek after righteousness, you would desire to put away filling your mind with sinful things that are pushed by this world. We are told by John to love not the world and neither the things in this world.

How true! I dare not even list the movies and genres I once enjoyed. When I came to Christ and He pulled me to Him, I came to watch none of it, detesting the very idea of it, pretty much without explanation at first. I really had no idea what was going on, then I came to understand.
 
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Are Roleplaying Games Sinful?

I believe they are. Let me explain before you stone me.

#1. Sin can happen in the mind and be regarded just as the equivalent of a physical sin. The fantasy of committing adultery with a woman is considered as the very act of adultery according to Jesus. For He says, "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28). So the desire to lust after a woman in one's heart (even in fantasy type way) is still the same as adultery. For Jesus says in Matthew 15:19-20, "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man." So to have evil thoughts means we can be defiled by such evil thoughts. To hate one's brother is the equivalent of murder (See 1 John 3:15).

#2. So if a person fantasizes about being sorcerer, they are committing sin because the Bible condemns sorcery. Just merely saying it is fantasy does not undo the sin. A person can fantasize about women, but this would be condemned by Jesus in Matthew 5:28-30. Even if they think real sorcery is wrong, the fact that they toy with the idea of the sin of sorcery in some fantasy world does not make it any less sinful.

#3. One of the major reasons to play a role playing game is to escape into a world of fantasy. I know. I used to be something like a Dungeon Master but it was not D&D, but another roleplaying game. The Bible says, "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;" (2 Corinthians 10:5). Jesus says pick up your cross, deny yourself and come follow me (See Matthew 16:24-26). So our escape should be in the Bible and in following Jesus and not in a role playing game that satisfies the lusts of the flesh with vain and sinful imaginations.

#4. Can a person play a Bible based roleplaying game and not sin?
I think it would be difficult to do so. The problem I see is that the Dungeon Master in a Bible based roleplaying game would be acting as if they are God in the story. So if your goal was to get somebody saved in the game, the dungeon master would have to step in for God by creating openings and or obstacles for the scenario to take place (Thus taking the position of God). This would not be a problem if they were simply writing a script for a book, movie, or comic book because they are not making such a creation as if it was some kind of game to have fun over for our enjoyment. The battle we fight spiritually should never be treated as some kind of game of enjoyment on our behalf. The purpose of a Christian fantasy book, movie, comic book should be to lead others to Jesus Christ. But if a person is going to play a Bible based role playing game it seems like an escape from doing the real thing. We have to as believes get our hands dirty in reaching lost souls and in helping the poor. This cannot be done in some fantasy world amongst ourselves for pure entertainment with the rolling of some dice. We can spend all our time wishing or fantasizing about reaching the lost, but if we are not actually doing that personally ourselves, we miss the point of what it means to be a follower of Jesus Christ.

#5. Fantasy Roleplaying Games are something that is originally of the world. It's purpose is to lead others to escape reality into some fantasy world that can lead to doing sinful things in one's own mind. Such games are generally associated with sorcerers and magic (Which is clearly condemned in the Bible).

So why would any Christian want to associate with something like this?

When I was mentoring some young people several decades or so ago, I was intrigued with some RPG games they were playing--now and then they used my computer and my email service. And because they were using my computer and email they left enough evidence behind for me to figure out what games they were playing and how to access them. I actually enjoy many games so I set up my own character in those games mostly in an investigative capacity but occasionally just enjoyed playing them.

Some were absolutely delightful. Yes you were role playing mythical characters in mythical settings and you had to utilize magic and engage in battles and all sorts of things. But just as books and movies that engage in pure fantasy--all normal people of all ages easily separate fantasy from reality in their minds and hearts--are fun, entertaining, and for the most part express and glorify heroism, compassion, innovation, resourcefulness, and triumph of good over evil--I found those games to be harmless, to engage the person to solve puzzles, problems and master skills, etc., and pretty much okay for kids and adults alike.

And some were not that. All manner of vulgar language, immoral sexual encounters, the worst kinds of depraved fantasy and in more than one case moving from the fantasy of the game into a person's real life resulting in adultery, broken homes, dangerous encounters, and certainly unhealthy for all, most especially the young. I eventually, in another capacity, took some on line training to identify, spot, and report adults preying on children and other vulnerable for nefarious purposes in those games. They were absolutely evil.

Needless to say I pulled the plug on those games with those kids I was mentoring and engaged in some serious counseling with them.

I think as Christians we have to be discerning. I cannot find evil in enjoying medieval fantasy or modern fantasy such as Star Wars, Star Trek and such, that teaches concern and caring for others, encourages innovation, courage, inventiveness, imagination, possibilities, wonder, and most importantly the virtues of good over evil and makes it clear which is which.

But we can also recognize that which does not edify, that does encourage people to sin, to engage in activities that are degrading, harmful, destructive, and just plain wrong. And there is definitely RPG that no Christian should endorse or engage in.
 
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There is a difference between children and adults. Paul says he put away childish things and childish understanding. When Jesus was referring to being converted like children, he was referring to entering the Kingdom of God. He was referring to how we have to be simple, and humbly obedient and open minded like children to accept God's Kingdom. God never intends us to remain as children. We are not to remain on the milk of the Word, but we are to grow thereby and eat of the meat of the Word so as to be able to discern between good and evil.

A child is playing and pretending. There is a point where we put childish things away but role playing happens all the time with adults just more discreetly. A good example would be reading a book and as you read the content you are imagining it if you are playing out the role. So if a man is flying in a book role-playing is going to automatically happen in the readers mind.

I don't believe a Christian should watch secular movies because they promote sinful things within them that a Christian should naturally feel repulsed by. Lord of the Rings is filled with sorcery and or magic (Which is condemned by God). If you hate the things God hates, then you would not want to even to involve yourself in watching such things. In other words, think of the worst sin that you can think of. Now, imagine watching movies on this particular sin as a part of some form of entertainment. If you are in service to the Lord and desire to seek after righteousness, you would desire to put away filling your mind with sinful things that are pushed by this world. We are told by John to love not the world and neither the things in this world. But sometimes, certain Christians need to stumble into sin by watching these things and feel disgusted by it before they can wake up and come out of indulging in secular entertainment.

Who said anything about movies? I'm talking about reading. We'll have to ask Tolkien about your role-playing prohibition in Heaven. While we're at it we might as well ask C. S. Lewis about it to (they're probably hanging out together anyways)
 
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it's the same as actors. it's not "the real deal".

Yet, Jesus said if you look upon a woman in lust, you have committed adultery in your heart. So if one fantasizes with being with a woman (roleplaying) it is a sin that one can commit in their heart. The same is true with role playing games. If a person role plays in murdering or being a sorcerer, they are doing these sins in their heart.
 
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A good example would be reading a book and as you read the content you are imagining it if you are playing out the role. So if a man is flying in a book role-playing is going to automatically happen in the readers mind.

This again is not a problem if the book does not promote something that is sinful. It is also not like a roleplaying game where it is interactive and does not seek to lead people to Christ or inspire anyone to follow the Lord. A Christian book (that is truly based on the Bible) will lead someone to Christ and or inspire them to follow Jesus. A role playing game is self serving to a particular small group so as to enjoy a time of escape.

Who said anything about movies? I'm talking about reading. We'll have to ask Tolkien about your role-playing prohibition in Heaven. While we're at it we might as well ask C. S. Lewis about it to (they're probably hanging out together anyways)

It doesn't change anything in this case. The movie or the book is the same story that promotes that wizards and or magic is okay. But the Bible condemns sorcery and witchcraft (Which are sins).
 
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A good food for thought topic

I am curious what are your circle of friends like?

My friends are Christians (Who seek to follow the Lord).

You said:
Are they believers and mindful of how their lives reflect Christ?

Yes.

You said:
How would you interact with a non-believer?

I do so with love, dignity, and respect, and I strive to tell them about the love of Jesus Christ under the leading of the Spirit.
 
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This again is not a problem if the book does not promote something that is sinful. It is also not like a roleplaying game where it is interactive and does not seek to lead people to Christ or inspire anyone to follow the Lord. A Christian book (that is truly based on the Bible) will lead someone to Christ and or inspire them to follow Jesus. A role playing game is self serving to a particular small group so as to enjoy a time of escape.
Books are an escape too but I think you need to figure out your definitions here. The OP carefully connects the dots to our heart and mere thoughts of the act is the same as the act itself, so if true, role-playing by your standards qualifies with in the boundaries of individual imagination such as what happens when reading a book. If you cannot agree with this then what you have is a false premise.

Based on your rules for what we can do it seems we may only read or watch movies that have an explicit evangelistic goals to them and probably best to just stay away from fantasy genres. Apparently LOTR is incapable of these goals. What else do you ban? How about the Narnia series?
 
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Books are an escape too but I think you need to figure out your definitions here. The OP carefully connects the dots to our heart and mere thoughts of the act is the same as the act itself, so if true, role-playing by your standards qualifies with in the boundaries of individual imagination such as what happens when reading a book. If you cannot agree with this then what you have is a false premise.

Based on your rules for what we can do it seems we may only read or watch movies that have an explicit evangelistic goals to them and probably best to just stay away from fantasy genres. Apparently LOTR is incapable of these goals. What else do you ban? How about the Narnia series?

Yes. Jesus says you can commit adultery in your heart by lusting after a woman (Which is committing the sin in your mind, i.e. role playing or fantasizing).

So if you can commit adultery in your mind, and be condemned for it (See Matthew 5:28-30), then you can be condemned for fantasizing about other kinds of sins.

Both the Lord of the Rings and the Narnia Series promote magic and do not see sorcery as a problem. Are you simply unaware that the Bible condemns sorcery and that God told his people to kill sorcerers or do you think that this sin is not that big of a deal? What about cartoon inappropriate content movies? Is this an okay sin seeing it is simply fantasy? What makes the sin of sexual immorality any worse than say sorcery? Are they both not equally bad? Is not the promotion of these sins in these films just as equally bad?

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As for books being an escape: Well, the Bible is an escape. It is an escape from this world and it's wicked ways. God uses the Bible to transform our heart by accepting Jesus as our savior and in living for Him and His righteous and good ways (Whereby we pick up our cross and deny ourselves). But the Bible does not make us to escape reality altogether. The Bible helps us to truly love. To love God and to love others properly. True Christian books are more watered down version of the Bible, but they are to lead people to Christ or to inspire people to follow the Lord, or to deepen their walk with God in obeying Him (or by learning more about Him). Secular books just offer an escape into some fantasy world that is usually sinful in some way. This is for pure entertainment alone and to serve one's lusts.
 
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No. You either do not understand the nature of role playing games, or you are overlooking the sinful things within them and think it is okay for men to fantasize about doing sinful things in their mind (Which is wrong). Jesus said if we look upon a woman in lust, we have committed adultery in our heart. So the mind sin is the same as the actual physical sin. So if a person fantasizes about being a witch or a sorcerer, they sinning in their mind by fantasizing on the sin of witchcraft. A person should not fantasize or promote sinful things because they are a changed new creature in service to doing good things as a part of loving Jesus Christ. There is no liberty for us Christians to sin. That is not how it works in following Jesus.
I guess you're right. I don't see what the Bible condemns as sorcery has to do with torching a group of gnolls with a level 4, 8d10 fireball.
 
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