REVE 20:5-6 "THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION"

Could the 2 Witnesses of Reve 11 be the 1st resurrection of Reve 20?


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2 Timothy 2:18 "SOME SAYING RESURRECTION ALREADY BECAME"
Why would Paul have to say this to his followers concerning some saying the resurrection has already happened?
[which doesn't appear to occur until Revelation 20:5 "the first resurrection"?]
[This is a sort of a off-shoot of the above thread concerning the resurrection]

I was translating/studying on those 2 witnesses in Revelation 11 and something just stood out at me concerning the word "stand<2476" and remembered that is also the word used in the word for "resurrection<2476>" which literally means to "stand up", such as from a laying down or sitting position.

Could it be possible/plausible that those 2 witnesses could be symbolizing those of the 1st resurrection in Revelation 20?

I put some verses up from Revelation that use #2476, along with the Greek.

Revelation 11:11
And after the three days and a half,
a spirit of life out of the GOD entered into Them,
and They stand<esthsan 2476> upon their feet.
And great fear fell upon those beholding them,

Revelation 20:
5 The rest of the dead not live until should be being finished the thousand years,
This the First Resurrection<ἀνάστασις/ana-stasiV 386>
6 Happy/blessed and holy the one having part<3313> in the first Resurrection<ἀναστάσει ana-stasei 386>,

Revelation 14:1
And I saw and behold!
a Lambkin standing<esthkos 2476> upon the mount Sion,
and with him an hundred forty-four thousands, having the name of his Father written upon their foreheads;

Revelation 15:2
and I saw as a glassy<5193>sea having been mingled to fire,
and those conquering>3528> out of the beast, and out of his image<1504>, and out of the number of it's name,
standing<ἑστῶτας/estwtaV 2476> upon the glassy sea, having harps/lyres of Lord the God,

Revelation 20:12
and I saw the dead, the great<3173> and the small<3398>, standing<ἑστῶτας/estwtaV 2476> before *God[*throne],
and scrolls were opened, and another scroll was opened, which is being of the life,
and were judged the dead out of the having been written in the scrolls according to their works

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

386. anastasis
a standing up again, i.e. (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, genitive case
or by implication, (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth):
raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again.
G386 ἀνάστασις (anastasis) occurs 42 times in 40 verses

303. ana a primary preposition and adverb;
properly, up; but (by extension) used (distributively) severally, or (locally) at (etc.)

2476. histemi a prolonged form of a primary stao stah'-o (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses);
to stand (transitively or intransitively), used in various applications (literally or figuratively):--abide, appoint, bring, continue, covenant, establish, hold up, lay, present, set (up), stanch, stand (by, forth, still, up).
G2476 ἵστημι (histēmi) occurs 163 times in 152 verses

Revelation 20:1-4
Revelation 20:
1 And I saw a Messenger descending<2597> out of the heaven, having the Key of the Abyss, and a great Chain<254> upon His hand.
2 And He seizes<2902> the Dragon, the serpent, the ancient one<744> who is being a devil and satan/adversary, and bounds<1210> him a thousand years.
3 And casts him into the Abyss, and locks<2808> and seals over Him,
that no he should be deceiving<4105> the Nations<1484> should be being finished<5055> the thousand years.
After these, is binding<1163> to be loosed<3089> Him for a little<3398> time<5550>.
4 And I saw thrones, and they are seated<2653> upon them, and judgment<2917> was given to them,
and the souls of those having been beheaded<3990> because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word of the GOD,
and those not worship the beast, nor the image of it,
and not got the mark upon the forehead<3359>
and upon their hand.
And they live and reign with the Christ a thousand years.
Some greek resources I use:

Greek and Hebrew Reader Online
Reve 20:1-6

Revelation 20 - Parallel Greek New Testament - HTML Bible by johnhurt.com

Reve 20:1-6



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A possibility as I see it: one witness represented Israel and one represented foreigners. Planted in Israel by Jesus and in Judea by his disciples, Christianity began as a Jewish movement, but by AD 70, many foreigners had embraced it. We see in Revelation that a modest number of Israeli faithful are sealed, after which an inestimable multitude of others also stand before the Lamb clothed in white robes (7:2-10). Both the elect and the countless others had borne witness to the Gospel, and as John the Divine penned his vision, both were rising from the rubble of the tribulation to bear witness to it again.

This explanation seems to confirm the words of Revelation themselves, which say that these witnesses are the two olive trees and two lampstands that stand before the Lord (11:4). By lampstands, John means churches (1:20). And olive trees, of course, represent peace and prosperity. The beasts killed the unified church in Jerusalem – the Jewish believers and their Gentile counterparts. But after the war, these two factions of the church rose up from their smoldering grave into heaven where Christ the bridegroom resided and reigned. The peace and prosperity hence are just a matter of history.
 
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Revelation 20:
5 The rest of the dead not live until should be being finished the thousand years,
This the First Resurrection<ἀνάστασις/ana-stasiV 386>
6 Happy/blessed and holy the one having part<3313> in the first Resurrection<ἀναστάσει ana-stasei 386>,
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Decided to see where #386 was used in the rest of the NT.

ἀνάστασιν — 12x
Speech: Noun
Parsing: Accusative Feminine Singular

Luke 2:34
And Simeon blesses them and said toward Mariam, His mother "behold!
this One is set/lying into a fall and resurrecting/<ἀνάστασιν anastasin 386> of many in the Israel,
and into a Sign being spoken against/anti-legomenon <483> (5746)"

Those pesky Sadducees.......................

Matthew 22:23
In that day there came near to him Sadducees, who are saying there is not a resurrection/ἀνάστασιν <anastasin 386>, and they questioned him, saying,
Mark 12:18
And the Sadducees come unto him, who say there is not a resurrection/<ἀνάστασιν anastasin 386>, and they questioned him, saying,
Luk 20:27
And certain of the Sadducees, who are denying that there is a resurrection/<ἀνάστασιν anastasin 386> having come near, questioned him,

Mat 3:7

And having seen many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming about his baptism, he said to them, 'Brood of vipers! who did shew you to flee from the being about wrath?
Mat 12:34
'Brood of vipers! how are ye able to speak good things -- being evil?
for out of the abundance of the heart doth the mouth speak.
Mat 23:33
'Serpents! brood of vipers! how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna?

John 5:29

and they shall come forth; those who did the good things to a resurrection/<ἀνάστασιν anastasin 386> of life,
and those who practised the evil things to a resurrection/<ἀνάστασιν anastasin 386> of judgment. of life, and those who practised the evil things to a rising again of judgment.

Act 23:8 -
for Sadducees, indeed, say there is no resurrection/<ἀνάστασιν anastasin 386>, nor messenger, nor spirit, but Pharisees confess both.

2Ti 2:18
who concerning the truth did swerve, saying the resurrection/<ἀνάστασιν anastasin 386> to have already been, and do overthrow the faith of some;


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2 Timothy 2:18 "SOME SAYING RESURRECTION ALREADY BECAME"

[This is a sort of a off-shoot of the above thread concerning the resurrection]

I was translating/studying on those 2 witnesses in Revelation 11 and something just stood out at me concerning the word "stand<2476" and remembered that is also the word used in the word for "resurrection<2476>" which literally means to "stand up", such as from a laying down or sitting position.

Could it be possible/plausible that those 2 witnesses could be symbolizing those of the 1st resurrection in Revelation 20?

I put some verses up from Revelation that use #2476, along with the Greek.

Revelation 11:11
And after the three days and a half,
a spirit of life out of the GOD entered into Them,
and They stand<esthsan 2476> upon their feet.
And great fear fell upon those beholding them,

Revelation 20:
5 The rest of the dead not live until should be being finished the thousand years,
This the First Resurrection<ἀνάστασις/ana-stasiV 386>
6 Happy/blessed and holy the one having part<3313> in the first Resurrection<ἀναστάσει ana-stasei 386>,

Revelation 14:1
And I saw and behold!
a Lambkin standing<esthkos 2476> upon the mount Sion,
and with him an hundred forty-four thousands, having the name of his Father written upon their foreheads;

Revelation 15:2
and I saw as a glassy<5193>sea having been mingled to fire,
and those conquering>3528> out of the beast, and out of his image<1504>, and out of the number of it's name,
standing<ἑστῶτας/estwtaV 2476> upon the glassy sea, having harps/lyres of Lord the God,

Revelation 20:12
and I saw the dead, the great<3173> and the small<3398>, standing<ἑστῶτας/estwtaV 2476> before *God[*throne],
and scrolls were opened, and another scroll was opened, which is being of the life,
and were judged the dead out of the having been written in the scrolls according to their works

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

386. anastasis
a standing up again, i.e. (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, genitive case
or by implication, (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth):
raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again.
G386 ἀνάστασις (anastasis) occurs 42 times in 40 verses

303. ana a primary preposition and adverb;
properly, up; but (by extension) used (distributively) severally, or (locally) at (etc.)

2476. histemi a prolonged form of a primary stao stah'-o (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses);
to stand (transitively or intransitively), used in various applications (literally or figuratively):--abide, appoint, bring, continue, covenant, establish, hold up, lay, present, set (up), stanch, stand (by, forth, still, up).
G2476 ἵστημι (histēmi) occurs 163 times in 152 verses

Revelation 20:1-4

Some greek resources I use:

Greek and Hebrew Reader Online
Reve 20:1-6

Revelation 20 - Parallel Greek New Testament - HTML Bible by johnhurt.com

Reve 20:1-6

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What if those who claimed the first resurrection already happened were referring to the people coming out of their graves around the time of Jesus' death?
 
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What if those who claimed the first resurrection already happened were referring to the people coming out of their graves around the time of Jesus' death?
That was mentioned over on this other "resurrection" thread
2 Timothy 2:18 "SOME SAYING RESURRECTION ALREADY BECAME"
What happened to the resurrected saints mentioned in Matthew 27: 52 ...

https://www.ucg.org/bible.../bible.../what-happened-to-the-resurrected-saints-mentione...

Nov 9, 2010 - Why did God raise dead Christians from their graves at the time of Jesus ... and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into ... (In the Bible, the word saints means those who are sanctified or set ...

Matthew 27:53 After Jesus' resurrection, when they had come out of ...

Matthew 27:53 After Jesus' resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.
and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many. King James Bible And came out of the graves after his ...
 
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2 Timothy 2:18 "SOME SAYING RESURRECTION ALREADY BECAME"

[This is a sort of a off-shoot of the above thread concerning the resurrection]

I was translating/studying on those 2 witnesses in Revelation 11 and something just stood out at me concerning the word "stand<2476" and remembered that is also the word used in the word for "resurrection<2476>" which literally means to "stand up", such as from a laying down or sitting position.

Could it be possible/plausible that those 2 witnesses could be symbolizing those of the 1st resurrection in Revelation 20?

I put some verses up from Revelation that use #2476, along with the Greek.

Revelation 11:11
And after the three days and a half,
a spirit of life out of the GOD entered into Them,
and They stand<esthsan 2476> upon their feet.
And great fear fell upon those beholding them,

Revelation 20:
5 The rest of the dead not live until should be being finished the thousand years,
This the First Resurrection<ἀνάστασις/ana-stasiV 386>
6 Happy/blessed and holy the one having part<3313> in the first Resurrection<ἀναστάσει ana-stasei 386>,

Revelation 14:1
And I saw and behold!
a Lambkin standing<esthkos 2476> upon the mount Sion,
and with him an hundred forty-four thousands, having the name of his Father written upon their foreheads;

Revelation 15:2
and I saw as a glassy<5193>sea having been mingled to fire,
and those conquering>3528> out of the beast, and out of his image<1504>, and out of the number of it's name,
standing<ἑστῶτας/estwtaV 2476> upon the glassy sea, having harps/lyres of Lord the God,

Revelation 20:12
and I saw the dead, the great<3173> and the small<3398>, standing<ἑστῶτας/estwtaV 2476> before *God[*throne],
and scrolls were opened, and another scroll was opened, which is being of the life,
and were judged the dead out of the having been written in the scrolls according to their works

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

386. anastasis
a standing up again, i.e. (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, genitive case
or by implication, (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth):
raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again.
G386 ἀνάστασις (anastasis) occurs 42 times in 40 verses

303. ana a primary preposition and adverb;
properly, up; but (by extension) used (distributively) severally, or (locally) at (etc.)

2476. histemi a prolonged form of a primary stao stah'-o (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses);
to stand (transitively or intransitively), used in various applications (literally or figuratively):--abide, appoint, bring, continue, covenant, establish, hold up, lay, present, set (up), stanch, stand (by, forth, still, up).
G2476 ἵστημι (histēmi) occurs 163 times in 152 verses

Revelation 20:1-4

Some greek resources I use:

Greek and Hebrew Reader Online
Reve 20:1-6

Revelation 20 - Parallel Greek New Testament - HTML Bible by johnhurt.com

Reve 20:1-6

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1.) Elijah was TAKEN he never died.

2.) The first Resurrection is the resurrection of those in Christ, the rapture and those raised after the Second Coming.

The Resurrection of the Wicked happens 1000 years later, this is pretty simple really.
 
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1.) Elijah was TAKEN he never died.

2.) The first Resurrection is the resurrection of those in Christ, the rapture and those raised after the Second Coming.

The Resurrection of the Wicked happens 1000 years later, this is pretty simple really.
Then why have scholars been wrangling over it for almost 2000 yrs.........

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This "valley of the bones" event is interesting.
It appears to be very similar to the event of the 2 witnesses in Revelation 11.
Will have to look into this a little deeper. Fascinating.

Ezekiel 37:
10 So I prophesied as He commanded me,
and breath came into them, and they lived, and stood<5975> upon their feet, [Revelation 11:11]
an exceedingly<3966> great army<2428>

11 Then He said to me, "Son of 'adam! these bones are the whole House of Israel.
They indeed say, 'Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!'

Revelation 11:
8 and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great City that symbolicallyb is called Sodom and Egypt,
where their Lord was crucified.


11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood/esthsan <2476> on their feet,
and great fear fell on those who saw them.

Revelation 20:5
The rest of the dead not live until should be being finished the thousand years,
This the first resurrection/standing-up/ana-stasiV<386>

This commentator also mentions it possible being the same event:


Ezekiel 37:10 Commentaries:

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
So I prophesied as he commanded me,....
The second time he prophesied to the wind, as he had done to the bones, as he was ordered: and the issue of it was,

and breath came into them; or, "the spirit"; a spirit of courage in the Jews, to go up to their own land;
the Spirit of life from Christ, which will enter into the witnesses slain, and revive them; and into the Jews in the latter day, and convert them;
and which enters into dead sinners, and quickens them; and this he does while ministers are preaching the Gospel to them; see Revelation 11:11,

and then lived;
as men do spiritually, when the Spirit of God has produced a principle of spiritual life in them; they live by faith on Christ, in union and fellowship with him; they live in newness of life, and a holy life and conversation; and shall live and reign with Christ upon the first resurrection, and for evermore:

and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army;
as the Jews did when they returned from the Babylonish captivity; they were many, and in a posture of defence; and as they will be in the latter day, when converted, Hosea 1:10, and as the number of the saints will be upon the first resurrection, Revelation 7:9, so when men are quickened by the Spirit of God, "they stand upon their feet"; they stand in the grace of God, and on the foundation Christ; they stand by faith in him, and in the doctrine of faith, and in the house of God;

and they stand
firm against all their enemies: they are an "army"; they are in a military state; fighting against sin, Satan, and the world; and though few in comparison of others, yet considered by themselves are very numerous; and as they will appear when the Jews will be converted, and the fulness of the Gentiles brought in;.................................

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Then why have scholars been wrangling over it for almost 2000 yrs.........

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Who cares what scholars "THINK" Jesus picked unlearned babes to be his disciples instead of learned scribes and pharisees !!

What does the bible say ? I don't care what scholars say, the language is plain as day. Of course post-tribbers can't come to terms with this.
 
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Who cares what scholars "THINK" Jesus picked unlearned babes to be his disciples instead of learned scribes and pharisees !!

What does the bible say ? I don't care what scholars say, the language is plain as day. Of course post-tribbers can't come to terms with this.
Every Christian that post on this forum says "this is what the Bible says"....................

Mat 3:7
And having seen many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming about his baptism, he said to them,
'Brood of vipers! who did shew you to flee from the being about wrath?

Rev 6:16
and they are saying to the mountains and rocks,
“Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne
and from the wrath of the Lamb!



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Every Christian that post on this forum says "this is what the Bible says"....................
Not you, you just paste Scriptures. Maybe you want to start dissecting them more.

I don't care what every Christian says, my job as a preacher of 30 plus years is not to worry about what others say. I don't even get that thought process. That is like the Pharisees saying to Jesus, But, but, but, these say that and these say this....... Jesus had the Holy Spirit like we do, so God isn't telling us untruths or confusing us, and that should tell you all you need to know to solve that riddle.
 
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Who cares what scholars "THINK" Jesus picked unlearned babes to be his disciples instead of learned scribes and pharisees !!

What does the bible say ? I don't care what scholars say, the language is plain as day. Of course post-tribbers can't come to terms with this.
Not you, you just paste Scriptures. Maybe you want to start dissecting them more.
I don't care what every Christian says, my job as a preacher of 30 plus years is not to worry about what others say. I don't even get that thought process. That is like the Pharisees saying to Jesus, But, but, but, these say that and these say this....... Jesus had the Holy Spirit like we do, so God isn't telling us untruths or confusing us, and that should tell you all you need to know to solve that riddle.
30yrs.....impressive.
You keep bringing up the Pharisees.

They are actually the ones I view being depicted in the parable of the rich man and lazarus and Revelation.

That is what the Bible says, not me.

Is the "GEHENNA" of Matt 23:33 the "LAKE OF FIRE" in Revelation? Poll thread
Is the "GEHENNA" of Matt 23:33 the "LAKE OF FIRE" in Revelation? Poll thread

Matthew 23:33
'Serpents! brood of vipers!
how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna?


Mat 23:37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets
Luke 13:34 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets


The Bible says both they, and their City are shown in Revelation.
Revelation 14:11
And the Smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages......
Revelation 19:3
And a second-time they have declared
"allelouia and the Smoke of Her is ascending into the Ages of the Ages".
In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, it shows the rich man burning in a flame and calling out to Abraham, with Lazarus in his bosom. [Abraham, Moses and Abraham are included in it. ]

[This "COVENANTLE OC/NC" parable is actually my largest study of the Bible]

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Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Afterward, speaking primarily to his disciples but with the Pharisees (and probably the crowd) still listening in, Yeshua related the parable of the unjust steward (Luke 16:1-13).

LUKE 16
14 The Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all these things, and they ridiculed him. 15 And he said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

24 "Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham[NC Faith/Life?]! have mercy on me! and send Lazarus[Resurrection]! that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue;
for I am[OC Law/Death?]being tormented in this flame.' "
29 "Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' "
If the Pharisees and scribes understood Yeshua's prophetic parable, it must have astonished and infuriated them.

The implication that the House of Judah and those called from the Gentile nations were to change places would have been almost impossible for the Pharisees and scribes to believe...................

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees....
Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable.
This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews
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NOW, BACK TO THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD............
 
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This "valley of the bones" event is interesting.
It appears to be very similar to the event of the 2 witnesses in Revelation 11.
Will have to look into this a little deeper. Fascinating.

Ezekiel 37:
10 So I prophesied as He commanded me,
and breath came into them, and they lived, and stood<5975> upon their feet, [Revelation 11:11]
an exceedingly<3966> great army<2428>
11 Then He said to me, "Son of 'adam! these bones are the whole House of Israel.

They indeed say, 'Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!'
Revelation 11:
11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood/esthsan <2476> on their feet,
and great fear fell on those who saw them.
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Concerning Ezekiel 37, did anyone happen to see this news event?

Prophecies of Ezekiel 37
In a stunning and remarkable moment, Netanyahu also declared to the people of Europe and the world that the prophecies of Ezekiel 37 have been fulfilled.
The Holocaust, he said, represented the "dry bones" and "graves" of the Jewish people, and out of that horror the State of Israel was resurrected, just as the Lord said would happen through the Hebrew Prophet Ezekiel.

Rarely has any world leader given a major address on an international stage declaring End Times prophecies from the Bible have come true. But that is exactly what Netanyahu did. - Joel Rosenberg
NTEB: God's Prophetical Promise To Return The Jews To Israel
 
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Lazarus was raised on the 4th day just like the 2 witnesses. Lazarus is only mentioned in 1 chapter of Luke and coincidentally, in John the Revelator's Gospel [I call his Gospel "the resurrection" Gospel].........

John 10:
38Then Jesus, deeply moved again, came to the tomb. It was a cave, and a stone lay against it. 39 Jesus said, “Take away the stone.” Martha, the sister of the dead man, said to him, “Lord, by this time there will be an odor, for he has been dead four days.””
43 When he had said these things, he cried out with a great Voice, Lazarus, come out.” 44The man who had died came out,.............

And because I view most of Luke 21's Temple/Jerusalem discourse as being fulfilled in the 1st century [as do a lot of partial pretererist], then I submit the event of the 2 witnesses being "raptured up" was also fulfilled in the 1st century, and thus is the first resurrection;

The is fulfillment of Luke 21:27 is Revelation 14.

Luke 21:27
And then they shall be seeing the Son of the Man coming in a cloud<3507> with power and glory, much.

This is the fulfillment of Luke 21:27. They indeed saw the Son of Man rapture them to heaven.

Revelation 14:
14 And I looked and behold! a white cloud
and upon the cloud like-as a Son of Man sitting having a golden crown upon His head and in His hand, a sharp sickle

This "great voice" is the same voice that beckoned Lazarus out of the tomb in John 10:43

Revelation 11:11
11 And after the three days and a half,
a spirit of life out of the GOD entered into Them,
and They stand<esthsan 2476> upon their feet.
And great fear fell upon those beholding them,
12 And they heard a great Voice out of the heaven saying to them

"ascend ye here!"
and they ascended into the heaven in the cloud/nefelh <3507> and observed them the enemies of them.
John 10:
39 Jesus said, “Take away the stone.” Martha, the sister of the dead man, said to him, “Lord, by this time there will be an odor, for he has been dead four days. 43 When he had said these things, he cried out with a great Voice,
Lazarus, come out.” 44The man who had died came out,......


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A possibility as I see it: one witness represented Israel and one represented foreigners. Planted in Israel by Jesus and in Judea by his disciples, Christianity began as a Jewish movement, but by AD 70, many foreigners had embraced it. We see in Revelation that a modest number of Israeli faithful are sealed, after which an inestimable multitude of others also stand before the Lamb clothed in white robes (7:2-10). Both the elect and the countless others had borne witness to the Gospel, and as John the Divine penned his vision, both were rising from the rubble of the tribulation to bear witness to it again.

This explanation seems to confirm the words of Revelation themselves, which say that these witnesses are the two olive trees and two lampstands that stand before the Lord (11:4). By lampstands, John means churches (1:20). And olive trees, of course, represent peace and prosperity. The beasts killed the unified church in Jerusalem – the Jewish believers and their Gentile counterparts. But after the war, these two factions of the church rose up from their smoldering grave into heaven where Christ the bridegroom resided and reigned. The peace and prosperity hence are just a matter of history.
Thank you for your input RB......A lot to digest there.


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2 Timothy 2:18 "SOME SAYING RESURRECTION ALREADY BECAME"

[This is a sort of a off-shoot of the above thread concerning the resurrection]

I was translating/studying on those 2 witnesses in Revelation 11 and something just stood out at me concerning the word "stand<2476" and remembered that is also the word used in the word for "resurrection<2476>" which literally means to "stand up", such as from a laying down or sitting position.

Could it be possible/plausible that those 2 witnesses could be symbolizing those of the 1st resurrection in Revelation 20?

I put some verses up from Revelation that use #2476, along with the Greek.

Revelation 11:11
And after the three days and a half,
a spirit of life out of the GOD entered into Them,
and They stand<esthsan 2476> upon their feet.
And great fear fell upon those beholding them,

Revelation 20:
5 The rest of the dead not live until should be being finished the thousand years,
This the First Resurrection<ἀνάστασις/ana-stasiV 386>
6 Happy/blessed and holy the one having part<3313> in the first Resurrection<ἀναστάσει ana-stasei 386>,

Revelation 14:1
And I saw and behold!
a Lambkin standing<esthkos 2476> upon the mount Sion,
and with him an hundred forty-four thousands, having the name of his Father written upon their foreheads;

Revelation 15:2
and I saw as a glassy<5193>sea having been mingled to fire,
and those conquering>3528> out of the beast, and out of his image<1504>, and out of the number of it's name,
standing<ἑστῶτας/estwtaV 2476> upon the glassy sea, having harps/lyres of Lord the God,

Revelation 20:12
and I saw the dead, the great<3173> and the small<3398>, standing<ἑστῶτας/estwtaV 2476> before *God[*throne],
and scrolls were opened, and another scroll was opened, which is being of the life,
and were judged the dead out of the having been written in the scrolls according to their works

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

386. anastasis
a standing up again, i.e. (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, genitive case
or by implication, (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth):
raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again.
G386 ἀνάστασις (anastasis) occurs 42 times in 40 verses

303. ana a primary preposition and adverb;
properly, up; but (by extension) used (distributively) severally, or (locally) at (etc.)

2476. histemi a prolonged form of a primary stao stah'-o (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses);
to stand (transitively or intransitively), used in various applications (literally or figuratively):--abide, appoint, bring, continue, covenant, establish, hold up, lay, present, set (up), stanch, stand (by, forth, still, up).
G2476 ἵστημι (histēmi) occurs 163 times in 152 verses

Revelation 20:1-4

Some greek resources I use:

Greek and Hebrew Reader Online
Reve 20:1-6

Revelation 20 - Parallel Greek New Testament - HTML Bible by johnhurt.com

Reve 20:1-6



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Well, what about Lazzarus 40 years earlier. Lazarus was resurrected. 40 years later, the 2 witnesses were resurrected. But they both can't be the same first resurrection. Somewhere, the Old Testament says. Did Jews were attacked by? Warriors from Edam. And they tossed a body into the tomb of Elijah and when his body. Touched Elijah's bones, he was brought back to life. That would have been 900 years before either of. The events I just described. So evidently there have been. Individual resurrections here in there now and again. For thousands of years.
 
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There are two resurrections in John chapter 5.

The first is spiritual, and the second is of the body.


Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

All Christians, both dead and living have been through the spiritual resurrection found in John 5:24.


Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

The timing of the bodily resurrection and judgment above is found in Revelation 11:15-18, at the future Second Coming of Christ.

Since the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, both of the above are found in Revelation chapter 20.

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Well, what about Lazzarus 40 years earlier. Lazarus was resurrected. 40 years later, the 2 witnesses were resurrected. But they both can't be the same first resurrection. Somewhere, the Old Testament says. Did Jews were attacked by? Warriors from Edam. And they tossed a body into the tomb of Elijah and when his body. Touched Elijah's bones, he was brought back to life. That would have been 900 years before either of. The events I just described. So evidently there have been. Individual resurrections here in there now and again. For thousands of years.
Good post Erik and thanks for bringing that up.
I had forgotten that I created a thread about 9 yrs ago cocerning Ezekiel 37 and Revelation 11:11 on the General Theology board.
I may need to go back and "refine" it, since I have better Greek and Hebrews resources to use...

Lazarus and 2 witnesses of Reve 11 similarity
Apr 24, 2010
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QUOTE LittleLambofJesus
I guess that depends on who the "2 witnesses" are symbolizing.
Looks to me like Ezekiel 37:10 and Reve 11:11 fit nicely together....Thoughts? :wave:

Ezekiel 37:
10 So I prophesied as He commanded me and a breath/spirit came into them and they lived and they stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army.
11 Then He said to me, "Son of adam!
these bones are the whole house of Israel.
[Luke 2:34 Revelation 11:11]

Luke 2:34
And Simon blesses them and said toward His mother Mariam,
"behold this-one is set/lying<2749> into a Fall<431> and Resurrection/standing-up/ana-stasin <386> of many<4183> in the Israel,
and into a Sign being spoken against/anti-legomenon <483>

John 11:
39 Jesus is saying "take away ye!" the stone.
Martha is saying to Him, the sister of the one having deceased, "Lord, already he stinking, for it is fourth-day
43 And these saying, to a Voice great He cries-out "Lazarus, hither out!"

Revelation 11:11
And after the three and half days a spirit/breath of life out of the God entered in them and they stand/esthsan <2476> (5627) on their feet and great fear falls upon the ones observing them.
[Ezekiel 37:10 Revelation 20:5]

Revelation 20:5
The rest of the dead-ones not live until should be being finished the thousand years.
This the first Resurrection/ana-stasiV <386/2476>
 
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