WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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Your first two sentences are in conflict with one another. Jesus speaks for Himself best, and here are His words:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

There it is in black and white, Jesus came to satisfy the Law. Jesus came to satisfy the Prophets.

Concerning Luke 24:27 and Luke 24:44-47, you seem to be attempting to limit the Law. In Luke 24:27, Luke wrote "Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures".

Indeed - "in all the scriptures" -- they were aware of it.

Recorded in Luke 24:44 is Jesus saying:

"These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."

in other words 'scripture' -- which is our source of doctrine according to 2 Tim 3:16.


There is that word fulfilled which is Strongs G4137, and it can be translated with any of these synonyms:

completed
fulfilled
satisfied

When Moral law is "complied with" then its requirement is fulfilled. So then Christ perfectly complied with the command "do not take God's name in vain" ... but did not delete it - simply by complying with it.

Another example of moral law Christ perfectly complied with "honor your father and mother" -- complying with moral law -- does not delete it. Obviously. Hence Eph 6:2 exists.

It sounds like your words try to limit what Jesus said when you write "Jesus is fulfilling the prophecies about Himself written in the Law and Prophets" because Jesus actually said:

"These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be satisfied."

indeed predictive law is fulfilled when the event it predicts takes place "Christ our Passover has been slain" 1 Cor 5. And it leaves no "requirement" left for some other person to also "Be the Passover that is slain".

Is there someone here that says the 10 commandments are not about Jesus?

Everyone here agrees that Jesus was not supposed to murder or worship false God's or take God's name in vain--- and neither is anyone else supposed to do that.

Because in the NT "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4
And the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12


Romans 13:8-10, The Apostle Paul wrote it precisely as the Holy Spirit had him write it:

"he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled [the] law" (Romans 13:8)

And so also in Matt 22 -- the two great commandments as even the Jews agreed before the cross.

"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5 (not even mentioned at all in Rom 13)
and "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18 - (also found in Matthew 19 and Rom 13).

These two commands in the law of Moses form the foundation for all others... they do not "delete all others".

There is that word fulfilled which is Strongs G4137,

  1. to consummate: a number
    1. to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
    2. to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
When it comes to moral law it means to comply with in every respect. As in "Do not take God's name in vain" but it has no connotation at all of "deleting" the command. IN real life we do not delete the speed limit as soon as one person drives right at the speed limit.

Predictive ceremonial law does not work that way - but prescriptive moral law does.

Which means it is "still a sin" to take God's name in vain. Obviously.

In your own reasoning, you try to redefine the words of Jesus. Jesus said:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

I said -- this which was in fact a quote of you for G4137 only using a part of Strong's definition that you chose not to post.

There is that word fulfilled which is Strongs G4137,

  1. to consummate: a number
    1. to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
    2. to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
=====================

so then we note:

When it comes to moral law it means to comply with in every respect. As in "Do not take God's name in vain" but it has no connotation at all of "deleting" the command. IN real life we do not delete the speed limit as soon as one person drives right at the speed limit.

"It is finished!" (John 19:30 - Jesus' words on the cross)

Another example of a statement that does not say "as soon as one person does not take God's name in vain - then everyone else is free to do it" -- as we all know.

Your words are not the words of the Apostle John, so here are the Apostle John's words (1 John 3:4-10):

4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

On the contrary -

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (KJV)

Pick another sword to fall on - that horse is already out of the barn.

In verse 5, the Apostle John states "You know that He appeared in order to take away sins" and the Apostle John can say that because Lord Jesus said that He came to satisfy the Law as well as He came to satisfy the Prophets.

So then to comply with moral law -- fulfills it - but does not allow others to break it. "Not taking God's name in vain" does not delete that moral law - even though it fulfills it.

Just making the obvious point here. No need to get stuck on the easy part.

By the way, your version of verse 4 seems different than the Greek, for the Greek word behind "lawlessness" above is anomia (first occurrance Strongs G458) and anomian (second occurrance Strongs G458). You version puts in law instead of lawlessness. The "a" is "not" and the "nomia" is "law" which arrives at the English word "lawlessness".

My version in that case is King James - perhaps you have heard of it :)


This should terrify anyone who does not keep the words of Jesus.

In Hebrews 8:6-11 Paul says the Ten Commandments are the Words of Jesus.

When Jesus said "keep the Commandments" in Matt 19 he is asked specifically "which ones" and His answer is right out of the TEN commandments that He spoke at Sinai.
 
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Jesus is God, so here are some of His words explaining His commandments:

37 "'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
38 "This is the great and foremost commandment.
39 "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'
40 "On these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets."

True - that statement in Matt 22 quotes from the LAW of Moses
Love God with all your heart - Deut 6:5
Love your neighbor as yourself - Lev 19:18

And the Jews agreed with this. It was not of the form "These two commands of Moses delete all of scripture... all of the law and the prophets" as some have imagined.
 
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Brother this post is simply bearing false witness against your brother. Now please post the link where I have ever says that God's SEVENTH DAY 4th commandment is not written into LEVITICUS 23?
Let me expand the sentence a little for you, then. Your words blatantly state that the 7th day sabbath is not there because you words say that the 7th day sabbath is excluded by way of your explanation of Hosea 2:11; on the other hand, God says the 7th day sabbath is there.

As written previously, your words composited build your statements. Both sentences are equally valid examples meant to point people to the post identifying where God's Word says something that you contradict. By the way, your post #766 to which you linked is an example of you trying to explain away that the 7th day sabbath included in Leviticus 23:3 as not being a part of the Hosea 2:11 reference according to you. You contradict God's Word as evidenced by the immediately preceding verses which are Leviticus 23:1-2 stating:

1 YHVH spoke again to Moses, saying,
2 "Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, 'YHVH'S appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations - My appointed times are these:"

And, here is Leviticus 23:3:

"For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to YHVH in all your dwellings."

It is a very simple matter for someone to look at the posting of yours to which I am replying (which is similar to your post number 766) to see that your words try to extricate the 7th day sabbath Leviticus 23:3 which according to you leaves Hosea 2:11 not talking about the 7th day sabbaths. God's Word is Truth, and I am thankful that God has shown me the Truth! Your word is not God's Word. You bear false witness against God. You bear false witness against me, too, but I forgive you.

There it is, again, an explanation of your words, your compositions which are your statements.

Now, see Jesus in action:

8 Jesus said to him, "Get up, pick up your pallet and walk."
9 Immediately the man became well, and picked up his pallet and [began] to walk. Now it was the Sabbath on that day.
10 So the Jews were saying to the man who was cured, "It is the Sabbath, and it is not permissible for you to carry your pallet."
(John 5:8-10).

Now, listen to Jesus:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy" (Matthew 5:17).

"Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?" (Matthew 12:5)

"But if you had known what this means, 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE,' you would not have condemned the innocent." (Matthew 12:7)

"For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." (Matthew 12:8)

"It is finished" (John 19:30).

"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth" (Matthew 28:18)
 
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True - that statement in Matt 22 quotes from the LAW of Moses
Love God with all your heart - Deut 6:5
Love your neighbor as yourself - Lev 19:18

And the Jews agreed with this. It was not of the form "These two commands of Moses delete all of scripture... all of the law and the prophets" as some have imagined.
The Law is not destroyed nor deleted. The Law is satisfied as Jesus said in:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)
 
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That is an acceptable spiritual understanding but it's not the literal one to my knowledge. Why? It's made clear that God called the light He made in Genesis 1:2 "DAY". It's later made clear the Sun (greater light) was created to RULE over the "DAY". I'm rather certain the Sun wasn't made to rule over the LIGHT OF GOD, or CHRIST'S LIGHT. :)
Well written! Praise God!
 
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Your only repeating yourself brother

You catch on fast. It's God Word, very straightforward, no mental gymnastics required. So no apologies.

Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
 
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Indeed - "in all the scriptures" -- they were aware of it.

Recorded in Luke 24:44 is Jesus saying:

"These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."

in other words 'scripture' -- which is our source of doctrine according to 2 Tim 3:16.
What's the problem with the verse you quoted? IOW why are you denying it? Isn't it so you can twist Mat 5:17-18?

I'm also curious why you haven't said this in my thread about Mat 5:17-18.
There is that word fulfilled which is Strongs G4137, and it can be translated with any of these synonyms:

completed
fulfilled
satisfied

When Moral law is "complied with" then its requirement is fulfilled. So then Christ perfectly complied with the command "do not take God's name in vain" ... but did not delete it - simply by complying with it.

Another example of moral law Christ perfectly complied with "honor your father and mother" -- complying with moral law -- does not delete it. Obviously. Hence Eph 6:2 exists.



indeed predictive law is fulfilled when the event it predicts takes place "Christ our Passover has been slain" 1 Cor 5. And it leaves no "requirement" left for some other person to also "Be the Passover that is slain".



Everyone here agrees that Jesus was not supposed to murder or worship false God's or take God's name in vain--- and neither is anyone else supposed to do that.

Because in the NT "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4
And the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12


Romans 13:8-10, The Apostle Paul wrote it precisely as the Holy Spirit had him write it:

"he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled [the] law" (Romans 13:8)

And so also in Matt 22 -- the two great commandments as even the Jews agreed before the cross.

"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5 (not even mentioned at all in Rom 13)
and "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18 - (also found in Matthew 19 and Rom 13).

These two commands in the law of Moses form the foundation for all others... they do not "delete all others".

There is that word fulfilled which is Strongs G4137,

  1. to consummate: a number
    1. to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
    2. to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
When it comes to moral law it means to comply with in every respect. As in "Do not take God's name in vain" but it has no connotation at all of "deleting" the command. IN real life we do not delete the speed limit as soon as one person drives right at the speed limit.

Predictive ceremonial law does not work that way - but prescriptive moral law does.

Which means it is "still a sin" to take God's name in vain. Obviously.



I said -- this which was in fact a quote of you for G4137 only using a part of Strong's definition that you chose not to post.

There is that word fulfilled which is Strongs G4137,

  1. to consummate: a number
    1. to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
    2. to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
=====================

so then we note:

When it comes to moral law it means to comply with in every respect. As in "Do not take God's name in vain" but it has no connotation at all of "deleting" the command. IN real life we do not delete the speed limit as soon as one person drives right at the speed limit.



Another example of a statement that does not say "as soon as one person does not take God's name in vain - then everyone else is free to do it" -- as we all know.



On the contrary -

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (KJV)

Pick another sword to fall on - that horse is already out of the barn.



So then to comply with moral law -- fulfills it - but does not allow others to break it. "Not taking God's name in vain" does not delete that moral law - even though it fulfills it.

Just making the obvious point here. No need to get stuck on the easy part.



My version in that case is King James - perhaps you have heard of it :)




In Hebrews 8:6-11 Paul says the Ten Commandments are the Words of Jesus.

When Jesus said "keep the Commandments" in Matt 19 he is asked specifically "which ones" and His answer is right out of the TEN commandments that He spoke at Sinai.
From your discussion I gather you intend for us to keep the law for salvation. Because if we don't we can't enter heaven and don't have eternal life. All of which the NT disproves. Essentially you don't accept Jesus as our substitute.
 
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Good let's have a look at what you have written and bring everything we have both written to the light of God's WORD ;).

ADULTERATED BIBLE PASSAGES BY YOU Now it is time to show documented proof from this thread of several Bible passages that your words or your Bible version adulterate.
Revelation 12:17 - Your highlights of the verse show your attempt to impose the 4th commandment on others as you try to de-emphasize that which is not highlighted about Jesus, and hence meaning of the passage to suit your imaginations. link explaining

Now let's see if what you have posted here agrees with the claims you are making in your post shall we? This is what was posted below and it does not agree with anything you you have claimed above. It is God's WORD alone that directly answer questions that are asked within the post.

From post # 709 below..

I noticed you did not add ths scriptures I provided that show who God's people are and those who do not follow God. The scriptures here are very clear and are a guide to us.

God's people are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. It is God's WORD that makes it very clear who his people are and the children of the devil.

WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

REVELATION 12:17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

REVELATION 14:12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

.................

WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

REVELATION 22:14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

..................

WHO HAS GOD'S SPIRIT?

ACTS 5:32, And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, WHOM GOD HAS GIVEN TO THEM WHO OBEY HIM.

................

WHO ARE NOT GOD'S PEOPLE?

1 JOHN 2:3-4
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM

1 JOHN 3:3-10
3, And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5,
And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you:
he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother

...............

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

...............

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

.........

Well brother that one did not agree with your claims now did it. I think what we will do for this post is to address your post section by section into smaller posts so they are earlier for everyone to see. This is the first of your claims addressed showing your claims are only your own words arguing against God's WORD.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.
It's amazing how you twist the Scripture into something it doesn't say.
 
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Your first two sentences are in conflict with one another. Jesus speaks for Himself best, and here are His words:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

There it is in black and white, Jesus came to satisfy the Law. Jesus came to satisfy the Prophets.

Concerning Luke 24:27 and Luke 24:44-47, you seem to be attempting to limit the Law. In Luke 24:27, Luke wrote "Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures".

Indeed - "in all the scriptures" -- they were aware of it.

Recorded in Luke 24:44 is Jesus saying:

"These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."

in other words 'scripture' -- which is our source of doctrine according to 2 Tim 3:16??.


There is that word fulfilled which is Strongs G4137, and it can be translated with any of these synonyms:

completed
fulfilled
satisfied

When Moral law is "complied with" then its requirement is fulfilled. So then Christ perfectly complied with the command "do not take God's name in vain" ... but did not delete it - simply by complying with it.

Another example of moral law Christ perfectly complied with "honor your father and mother" -- complying with moral law -- does not delete it. Obviously. Hence Eph 6:2 exists.

It sounds like your words try to limit what Jesus said when you write "Jesus is fulfilling the prophecies about Himself written in the Law and Prophets" because Jesus actually said:

"These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be satisfied."

indeed predictive law is fulfilled when the event it predicts takes place "Christ our Passover has been slain" 1 Cor 5. And it leaves no "requirement" left for some other person to also "Be the Passover that is slain".

Is there someone here that says the 10 commandments are not about Jesus?

Everyone here agrees that Jesus was not supposed to murder or worship false God's or take God's name in vain--- and neither is anyone else supposed to do that.

Because in the NT "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4
And the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12


Romans 13:8-10, The Apostle Paul wrote it precisely as the Holy Spirit had him write it:

"he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled [the] law" (Romans 13:8)

And so also in Matt 22 -- the two great commandments as even the Jews agreed before the cross.

"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5 (not even mentioned at all in Rom 13)
and "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18 - (also found in Matthew 19 and Rom 13).

These two commands in the law of Moses form the foundation for all others... they do not "delete all others".

There is that word fulfilled which is Strongs G4137,

  1. to consummate: a number
    1. to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
    2. to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
When it comes to moral law it means to comply with in every respect. As in "Do not take God's name in vain" but it has no connotation at all of "deleting" the command. IN real life we do not delete the speed limit as soon as one person drives right at the speed limit.

Predictive ceremonial law does not work that way - but prescriptive moral law does.

Which means it is "still a sin" to take God's name in vain. Obviously.

In your own reasoning, you try to redefine the words of Jesus. Jesus said:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

I said -- this which was in fact a quote of you for G4137 only using a part of Strong's definition that you chose not to post.

There is that word fulfilled which is Strongs G4137,

  1. to consummate: a number
    1. to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
    2. to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
=====================

so then we note:

When it comes to moral law it means to comply with in every respect. As in "Do not take God's name in vain" but it has no connotation at all of "deleting" the command. IN real life we do not delete the speed limit as soon as one person drives right at the speed limit.

"It is finished!" (John 19:30 - Jesus' words on the cross)

Another example of a statement that does not say "as soon as one person does not take God's name in vain - then everyone else is free to do it" -- as we all know.

Your words are not the words of the Apostle John, so here are the Apostle John's words (1 John 3:4-10):

4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

On the contrary -

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (KJV)

Pick another sword to fall on - that horse is already out of the barn.

In verse 5, the Apostle John states "You know that He appeared in order to take away sins" and the Apostle John can say that because Lord Jesus said that He came to satisfy the Law as well as He came to satisfy the Prophets.

So then to comply with moral law -- fulfills it - but does not allow others to break it. "Not taking God's name in vain" does not delete that moral law - even though it fulfills it.

Just making the obvious point here. No need to get stuck on the easy part.

By the way, your version of verse 4 seems different than the Greek, for the Greek word behind "lawlessness" above is anomia (first occurrance Strongs G458) and anomian (second occurrance Strongs G458). You version puts in law instead of lawlessness. The "a" is "not" and the "nomia" is "law" which arrives at the English word "lawlessness".

My version in that case is King James - perhaps you have heard of it :)


This should terrify anyone who does not keep the words of Jesus.

In Hebrews 8:6-11 Paul says the Ten Commandments are the Words of Jesus.

When Jesus said "keep the Commandments" in Matt 19 he is asked specifically "which ones" and His answer is right out of the TEN commandments that He spoke at Sinai.

What's the problem with the verse you quoted?

No problem at all - its just fine.



I'm aalso curious why you haven't said this in my thread about Mat 5:17-18

Because every response on your thread that pertains to your Matt 5 topic of Christ and the fulfillment of the law - you claim is "off topic" if it mentions a Bible fact that cuts across your preference.

.From your discussion I gather you intend for us to keep the law for salvation.

Are you quoting me ... or you?

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Can we agree that Christ perfectly fulfilled (complied with) the Law to "Not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 and to "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

1. Moral Law can be perfectly fulfilled (complied with) and doing so does not give others the open door to be immoral and not be guilty of sin.

(Where Matthew 5 confines itself to the moral law -- perfectly complied with (fulfilled) in the case of Christ and the "examples" the text gives. "Obviously"

2. Predictive Law in ceremonies can be fulfilled (fulfilling a promise, as predicted) - and does not obligate anyone else to fulfill that prediction.

So then "perfectly fulfilled" has two contexts.

... I claim Christ fulfilled both moral law and predictive ceremonial law...

hence - it is "still a sin to take God's name in vain"
 
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You wrote a section in a long post that does not address what was written in the scrptures. Your claim is that 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is not talking about God's 10 commandments right? What does God's WORD says?

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM

Let's see if your claims have any truth to them by looking at the CONTEXT and the reason why JOHN has written 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

1 JOHN 2:1-2 [1], My little children, THESE THINGS I WRITE UNTO YOU THAT YOU SIN NOT. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:[2], And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

NOTE: The CONTEXT and reson why JOHN is writting this epistle is what? v1 THESE THINGS I WRITE UNTO YOU THAT YOU SIN NOT. It goes on to say if any man sin we have an advocate with the father. This leads us into v3-4

[3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.

[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM .


NOTE: So the reason for JOHN'S epistle is that THAT WE SIN NOT v1. Then in v3-4 it says
HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. Now notice carefully what Commandments in God's WORD are associated with sin if broken or another way of asking the same question would be what is sin because the reason why JOHN is writting his epistle is that we sin not.
Your repeated explanation carefully deletes Jesus Christ the Righteous twisting the meaning of the passage you discuss.
 
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The Law is not destroyed nor deleted. The Law is satisfied

True.

Jesus fulfills moral law by complying with it.
Jesus fulfills ceremonial law by accomplishing what it predicts.

as Jesus said in:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)


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Can we agree that Christ perfectly fulfilled (complied with) the Law to "Not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 and to "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

1. Moral Law can be perfectly fulfilled (complied with) and doing so does not give others the open door to be immoral and not be guilty of sin.

(Where Matthew 5 confines itself to the moral law -- perfectly complied with (fulfilled) in the case of Christ and the "examples" the text gives. "Obviously"

2. Predictive Law in ceremonies can be fulfilled (fulfilling a promise, as predicted) - and does not obligate anyone else to fulfill that prediction.

So then "perfectly fulfilled" has two contexts.

... I claim Christ fulfilled both moral law and predictive ceremonial law...

hence - it is "still a sin to take God's name in vain"

(Since this is page 69 and post 1300+) here is a thread just for this one point in this post -- 4 minutes ago #1
 
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Because every response on your thread that pertains to your Matt 5 topic of Christ and the fulfillment of the law - you claim is "off topic" if it mentions a Bible fact that cuts across your preference.
You've the opportunity to show how anything we do is pertinent to Mat 5:17-18. It's about what Jesus did or didn't do.
Are you quoting me ... or you?
Doesn't my post show I quoted you?
 
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You've the opportunity to show how anything we do is pertinent to Mat 5:17-18. It's about what Jesus did or didn't do

And how that work of Christ affects everyone else... which is this 4 minutes ago #1


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.From your discussion I gather you intend for us to keep the law for salvation.

Are you quoting me ... or you?

.Doesn't my post show I quoted you?

"keep the law for salvation" is you quoting you

You have no quote of me saying that the lost keep the law to gain salvation
 
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Indeed - "in all the scriptures" -- they were aware of it.

...snip...

These two commands in the law of Moses form the foundation for all others... they do not "delete all others".

There is that word fulfilled which is Strongs G4137,

  1. to consummate: a number
    1. to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
    2. to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
...snip
In your own reasoning, you try to redefine the words of Jesus. The definition you show for G1437 carries the words consummate and complete of every particular. Jesus, Who is God, did exactly what He said! I think we should try some word replacement exercises using the words you bring into the thread. Oh, and by the way, only God can do what Jesus said He does (notice that Jesus does NOT say "I did not come to abolish but to satisfy for myself", no Lord Jesus is acting for His Holy Nation and talking about the Law and the Prophets in relation to His Holy Nation).

Jesus said:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to consummate." (Matthew 5:17)

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to complete." (Matthew 5:17)

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

"It is finished!" (John 19:30 - Jesus' words on the cross)

Your words are not the words of the Apostle John, so here are the Apostle John's words (1 John 3:4-10):

4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin.
6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.
7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

In verse 5, the Apostle John states "You know that He appeared in order to take away sins" and the Apostle John can say that because Lord Jesus said that He came to satisfy the Law as well as He came to satisfy the Prophets.

By the way, your version of verse 4 seems different than the Greek, for the Greek word behind "lawlessness" above is anomia (first occurrance Strongs G458) and anomian (second occurrance Strongs G458). You version puts in law instead of lawlessness. The "a" is "not" and the "nomia" is "law" which arrives at the English word "lawlessness".

Jesus even explains the meaning of lawlessness (in verse 23, the Greek word is anomian Strongs G458), so here is what Jesus said (Matthew 7:21-27):

21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven [will enter].
22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
25 "And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and [yet] it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.
26 "Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
27 "The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell ? and great was its fall."

This should terrify anyone who does not keep the words of Jesus. In verse 24, the Lord Jesus said "everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them" then He explains about the person, but in verse 26 the Lord Jesus said "Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them" then He explains about that person.

Also, Jesus said (John 14:15):
"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."

What are His commandments, well let's just look at some of Jesus' words here (Matthew 22:37-40):

37 "'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
38 "This is the great and foremost commandment.
39 "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'
40 "On these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets."

Interesting word there, hang, for that Greek word is assinged Strongs G2910. In Luke 23:39, Strongs G2910 is used again by Luke, here's the quote "one of the criminals who were hanged [there] was hurling abuse at Him, saying, "Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!"

A Spirit filled believer still has flesh, but greater is He who is in we believers than he who is in the world.
 
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Can we agree that Christ perfectly fulfilled (complied with) the Law to "Not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 and to "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

1. Moral Law can be perfectly fulfilled (complied with) and doing so does not give others the open door to be immoral and not be guilty of sin.

(Where Matthew 5 confines itself to the moral law -- perfectly complied with (fulfilled) in the case of Christ and the "examples" the text gives. "Obviously"

2. Predictive Law in ceremonies can be fulfilled (fulfilling a promise, as predicted) - and does not obligate anyone else to fulfill that prediction.

So then "perfectly fulfilled" has two contexts.

... I claim Christ fulfilled both moral law and predictive ceremonial law...

hence - it is "still a sin to take God's name in vain"[/QUOTE]

In your own reasoning, you try to redefine the words of Jesus. The definition you show for G1437 carries the words consummate and complete of every particular.

G1437 carries the words consummate and complete of every particular.

Which I keep affirming...

That is how moral law works complying with "do not take God's name in vain" in every particular does not leave the next person free to "take God's name in vain"... obviously.


"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to consummate." (Matthew 5:17)

His "not taking God's name in vain" does not "abolish" that command of the moral law -- it completely fulfills and so then complies. But does not leave others free to take God's name in vain.

I notice that you carefully snip out this detail in all your responses
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I do hope we get to repeat this point enough to cover it for all to see
 
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Can we agree that Christ perfectly fulfilled (complied with) the Law to "Not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 and to "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

1. Moral Law can be perfectly fulfilled (complied with) and doing so does not give others the open door to be immoral and not be guilty of sin.

(Where Matthew 5 confines itself to the moral law -- perfectly complied with (fulfilled) in the case of Christ and the "examples" the text gives. "Obviously"

2. Predictive Law in ceremonies can be fulfilled (fulfilling a promise, as predicted) - and does not obligate anyone else to fulfill that prediction.

So then "perfectly fulfilled" has two contexts.

... I claim Christ fulfilled both moral law and predictive ceremonial law...

hence - it is "still a sin to take God's name in vain"



G1437 carries the words consummate and complete of every particular.

Which I keep affirming...

That is how moral law works complying with "do not take God's name in vain" in every particular does not leave the next person free to "take God's name in vain"... obviously.


"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to consummate." (Matthew 5:17)

His "not taking God's name in vain" does not "abolish" that command of the moral law -- it completely fulfills and so then complies. But does not leave others free to take God's name in vain.

I notice that you carefully snip out this detail in all your responses
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I do hope we get to repeat this point enough to cover it for all to see
Why do you think we need to fulfil the law?
 
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You catch on fast. It's God Word, very straightforward, no mental gymnastics required. So no apologies. Colossians 2:16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear. If you do not know what the OLD TESTAMENT is how can you understand what the NEW TESTAMENT is that the OLD TESTAMENT comes from?

Your only repeating yourself brother without addressing the post and the scriptures that disagree with your interpretation of COLOSSIANS 2:16. Your mixing up God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) with the Moasic shadow laws in ORDINANCES that are connected to the annual FEAST DAYS.

Your post has been addressed throughout this thread (see post # 55 and links; post # 192; post # 244; post # 284; post # 335; post # 379; post # 658; post # 683; post # 684; post # 1016) Your only repeating yourself here brother without addressing any of the post and the scriptures that were provided to you directly in post # 1183 linked. Did you want to respond to the post addressed to you that disagrees with your interpretation of the scriptures? If you cannot why do you not believe God's WORD provided and only sent in love as a help to you?

As posted earlier...

COLOSSIANS 2 is talking about the SHADOW laws in CIRCUMCISION and BAPTISM v11-13 then the MOSIAC SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES v14. So the CONTEXT of the chapter is the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT. Now v16 PAUL is referening the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures to do with the SHADOW laws in FEAST days.

COLOSSIANS 2:16 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY [FEASTIVALS], or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAYS <plural>:

PAUL is quoting from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures here..

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

NUMBERS 28 [9] And on the Sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a MEAT OFFERING, mingled with oil, and the DRINK OFFERING thereof: [10] This is the burnt offering of EVERY SABBATH, beside the continual BURN'T OFFERING, and his DRINK OFFERING.

ISAIAH 1:10-14 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your NEW MOONS and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

LEVITICUS 23:4 [4] These are THE FEASTS OF THE LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. [5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is THE LORD'S PASSOVER. [6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread…… [13] And the MEAT OFFERING thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the Lord for a sweet savour: and the DRINK OFFERING thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.

HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will also cause all her mirth to CEASE, HER [ISRAEL'S] FEAST DAYS, her NEW MOONS, and HER SABBATHS, and all HER [ISRAELS] SOLEMN FEASTS.

wait for it back to the NEW...

HEBREWS 9:1-12 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

HEBREWS 10:1-9
[1], FOR THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS TO COME, AND NOT THE VERY IMAGE OF THE THINGS, CAN NEVER WITH THOSE SACRIFICES which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2], For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[3], But in those SACRIFICES there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
[4], For it is not possible that THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS should take away sins.
[5], Why when he comes into the world, he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS YOU WOULD NOT BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME:
[6], IN BURN'T OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAVE HAD NO PLEASURE.
[7], Then said I, See, I come in the VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.
[8], Above when he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU WOULD NOT, neither had pleasure therein; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW;
[9], Then said he, See, I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.

NOTE; the LAW in reference here is NOT God's 10 Commandments but the law of sin offereings from the SHADOW laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 from the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 (Please look at the attached scriptures)

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CONCLUSION
; The CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION is a Shadow law from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT pointing to a NEW HEART to LOVE and OBEY GOD in the NEW COVENANT. The SHADOW laws of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION from the Mosaic BOOK of the Covenant are the within CHAPTER CONTEXT BEFORE COL 2:14
Colossians 2 is not a reference to God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us a knowledge of what SIN is when broken. They are a reference to the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

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The weekly SABBATH is a requirement outside of the ANNUAL FEASTS as it is one of God's ETNERNAL LAWS (10 commandments)

God's 4th commandment.

EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> [Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day] [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God [This is a direct reference from God's Word defining what the Sabbath is; The SABBATH = the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK]: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and MADE IT HOLY.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Sorry brother your only being warned in love. You mix up your Shadow laws with God's 10 Commandments. Besides God's 4th Commandment which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH written on stone, there were "SPECIAL" annual ceremonial Sabbath connected to the annual Jewish festivals in the OLD COVENANT written in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

Besides God's 4th Commandment which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH written on stone, there were "SPECIAL" annual ceremonial Sabbath connected to the annual Jewish festivals in the OLD COVENANT written in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

These ceremonial Sabbath were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath were connected to..

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

You have your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT COLOSSIANS 2 LINKING THE NEW TESTAMENT TO OLD

Brother you were also provided posts and links that provide both the within scripture and chapter context of COLOSSIANS 2:11-17. Your response is to ignore it. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear. If you disagree with that is posted to you please show why? If you cannot then why do you not believe God's WORD that is posted to you and only shared in love as a help to you? Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear.

God bless.
 
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Let me expand the sentence a little for you, then. Your words blatantly state that the 7th day sabbath is not there because you words say that the 7th day sabbath is excluded by way of your explanation of Hosea 2:11; on the other hand, God says the 7th day sabbath is there.
Let's examine your claims again and see if there is any truth in them. Your claim is that I am saying the God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is not written into LEVITICUS 23 correct? Now please post me a link where I have ever posted that LEVITICUS 23 does not include God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH when I have already posted on LEVITICUS 23:1-3 specifically discussing God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH in LEVITICUS 23? Now if you cannot post any links showing that I have stated anywhere that God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH is not in LEVITICUS 23 then why do you pretend that I have when I have directly posted on this subject in post # 333s where I specifically discuss God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH in LEVITICUS 23?

Your false claims are proven to be so as shown when discussing LEVITICUS 23 in post # 684 linked.
LGW wrote: So CONTEXT of LEVITICUS 23 is lising all the days of HOLY CONVOCATION for the ANNUAL FEASTIVALS. That are SACRED PUBLIC MEETINGS for the YEARLY FEAST DAYS. God's 4th Commandments is a part of the ANNUAL FEAST days because many FEASTS were longer then 7 days or the FEASTS could start on any day depending on the YEARLY CYCLE.

Well brother does not really say what your claiming now does it? I will leave your false claims between you and God. I have already forgiven you. :)

As written previously, your words composited build your statements. Both sentences are equally valid examples meant to point people to the post identifying where God's Word says something that you contradict.
This is where your argument falls to pieced. As proven above I have never made any claims that God's SABBATH is not in LEVITICUS 23 and stated they were a part of the HOLY CONVOCATIONS (public meetings) for the ANNUAL FEASTIVALS because an ANNUAL FESTIVAL also included God's 4th commandment because depending on the yearly cycles sometimes FEAST days would fall on the SABBATH, these days are call HIGH SABBATHS in God's WORD *JOHN 19:31 or some of the FEASTIVALS went longer then 7 DAYS so would include the weekly SABBATH. You have no excuse for not believing God's WORD as I have not made any of the claims you are making.
By the way, your post #766 to which you linked is an example of you trying to explain away that the 7th day sabbath included in Leviticus 23:3 as not being a part of the Hosea 2:11 reference according to you.
Well that statement has no truth to it. Post # 766 linked is simply a response to your claim below
Kermos said: Hosea 2:11 indicates the end of ALL sabbaths thus pointing at Lord Jesus the One Who would make the perfect sacrifice being the Lord of the Sabbath with authority to become the giver of sabbath to all who believe on the name of Jesus Christ.
This post goes on to show through the scriptures alone that what you posted above has no basis in truth as there is no scripture anywhere that says HOSEA 2:11 says that all sabbaths are abolished.

HOSEA 2:11 is in reference to the ANNUAL FEASTIVALS of LEVITICUS 23 and the ceremonial "SPECIAL" SHADOW sabbaths (H7677 שׁבּתון shabbâthôn; meaning special holiday these special ANNUAL ceremonial sabbaths connected directly to the FEAST DAYS of LEVITICUS 23:24; 32 and 39 are not God's 4th commandment weekly SEVENTH DAY). This is a reference to all the SABBATHS connected to the ANNUAL FEASTIVALS coming to an END. This includes God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH having no more connection to the ANNUAL FEASTIVALS. It does not mean there is no more WEEKLY SEVENTH DAY Sabbath of God's 4th commandment which is still EVERY SEVENTH day of the week *EXODUS 20:8-11.

Where is the scripture that says God's SEVENTH DAY WEEKLY Sabbath has come to an end? There is none.

These Shadow ceremonial sabbaths are not God's 4th commandment and are directly connected to the ANNUAL FEAST days in Feasts of Trumpets *LEVITICUS 23:24. Day of Atonement *LEVITICUS 23:32 and the Feast of Booths *LEVITICUS 23:39.

God's SEVENTH DAY Sabbath is a WEEKLY Sabbath and the 4th commandments of God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.
You contradict God's Word as evidenced by the immediately preceding verses which are Leviticus 23:1-2 stating: 1 YHVH spoke again to Moses, saying, 2 "Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, 'YHVH'S appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations - My appointed times are these:" And, here is Leviticus 23:3: "For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to YHVH in all your dwellings."
Your claims here have been addressed in detail in post # 684 linked, showing that you mix up God's SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES from the OLD COVENANT *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26; EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGTEOUSNESS in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. Your response to this post and all the scriptures in them that disagree with you was to simply ignore it. Yet the linked post provided above show what PAUL is quoting from in COLOSSIANS 2:16 and show what the NEW TESTAMENT is referring to as the SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES. If you do not know what the OLD COVANANT was how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD points to? Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear. Please feel free to respond to the posts and all the scriptures provided that disagree with you. If you cannot why do you not believe God's WORD? Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says that all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and tradtions of men are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.
It is a very simple matter for someone to look at the posting of yours to which I am replying (which is similar to your post number 766) to see that your words try to extricate the 7th day sabbath Leviticus 23:3 which according to you leaves Hosea 2:11 not talking about the 7th day sabbaths.
As proven above already this is simply a false statement that I have never made. This is proven in post # 684 linked and many other posts that have been provided already and all the scriptures provided that disagree with you that you will not respond to. You have provided no links where I have ever posted that LEVITICUS 23 does not include God's 4th commandment to support your claims and you have been provided the linked post above showing your claims are simply false. I will leave that between you and God. I have already forgiven you.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

Sorry my friend as proven through God's WORD alone God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the WORD of God)
 
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