Smollett Charged With Crime

Sketcher · Feb 21, 2019

Kaon said:
BS.

It was an exact replica of 1960s if there was internet. It was ignorant conversation that was decades dated, and twice too late. The only thing that was constructive was that people exposed themselves for who they were.

The conversation didn't need to be had if it was going to be so superficial, and repetitive.

There was also conversation on Facebook, at my work, and at my church. Those I think were more productive. Regardless, there was no dodging the issue due to a fake story.

Kaon · Feb 21, 2019

Sketcher said:
There was also conversation on Facebook, at my work, and at my church. Those I think were more productive. Regardless, there was no dodging the issue due to a fake story.

*shrug*

I don't have facebook, so I wouldn't know. But, I know on these forums the "conversation" was quite ignorant, dated, and very revealing.

People who didn't think they were being watched were being observed very carefully.

chevyontheriver · Feb 21, 2019

Hank77 said:
No he didn't commit a hate crime.

I'm not so sure. He incited hatred. One could wonder if he did it out of hatred.

Basil the Great · Feb 21, 2019

Chicago is most definitely not Trump territory. Hence, the odds of being attacked by Trump supporters in Chicago is not very high, though still possible. I will leave it up to others to decide the matter.

Hank77 · Feb 21, 2019

Sketcher said:
There was also conversation on Facebook, at my work, and at my church. Those I think were more productive. Regardless, there was no dodging the issue due to a fake story.

We had conversations between family and friends that we hadn't had.

Ana the Ist · Feb 21, 2019

chevyontheriver said:
Will he be charged with a hate crime?

Doesn't look that way.

I'm not sure who would be considered the victim of a hate crime here. He may be a hateful person, but I don't see how he can be charged with a hate crime.

I'm also not going to completely discount the possibility that he's dealing with the onset of a mental illness. This is a weird, poorly thought out, erratic, and generally unusual crime. If he's genuinely struggling with something, I'd rather he get help asap.

Hank77 · Feb 21, 2019

chevyontheriver said:
I'm not so sure. He incited hatred. One could wonder if he did it out of hatred.

He didn't physically harm anyone or harm their property.

A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, the FBI has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.” Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties.

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/civil-rights/hate-crimes

Ana the Ist · Feb 21, 2019

Kaon said:
Jussie Smollett ruined the credibility of other victims [like him, or otherwise] because of his (allegedly) ridiculous sociopathy?

It shouldn't...but some people choose to believe what they want, instead of looking at facts.

Hank77 · Feb 21, 2019

Ana the Ist said:
Doesn't look that way.

I'm not sure who would be considered the victim of a hate crime here. He may be a hateful person, but I don't see how he can be charged with a hate crime.

I'm also not going to completely discount the possibility that he's dealing with the onset of a mental illness. This is a weird, poorly thought out, erratic, and generally unusual crime. If he's genuinely struggling with something, I'd rather he get help asap.

You make a good point about his mental health. You're right it is odd behavior. His actions could have been a cry for help.

Ana the Ist · Feb 21, 2019

Kaon said:
People who didn't think they were being watched were being observed very carefully.

By who? The Gestapo?

Ana the Ist · Feb 21, 2019

Hank77 said:
You make a good point about his mental health. You're right it is odd behavior. His actions could have been a cry for help.

There's several serious illnesses that can cause paranoia, delusions of grandeur or persecution, etc. It's a possibility...maybe not a big one...but worth considering.

I'm really just hoping that at this point, the defense he's planning doesn't involve any racist police conspiracy.

Goonie · Feb 21, 2019

Strathos said:
I also think that his employers should fire him from his TV show.

Inevitable.

Gigimo · Feb 21, 2019

wrong thread

Gigimo · Feb 21, 2019

Sistrin said:
I believe what he means is leftist can't find any real examples of racist or bigoted Trump voters so they just make them up.

They have to get his approval numbers down somehow so they can use that as a way to get rid of him.

Mountainmanbob · Feb 21, 2019

Hope he gets 3 years in prison with the rough ones.

What he deserves for such a hateful act.

M-Bob

Gigimo · Feb 21, 2019

Ana the Ist said:
After weeks of the public both supporting and becoming skeptical of Jussie Smollett...he has been charged with filing a false police report.

Actor charged with false attack report

I'm sure many will speculate on his innocence/guilt...but with the evidence against him, I suspect he's guilty. Supposedly, two men who helped him perpetrate this hoax admitted to doing so, and there is physical evidence of them buying the materials used. I know that he has continued to maintain his innocence through his lawyer...but that's not easy evidence to explain with any defense.

I'm hoping that if he's guilty, even if he accepts a plea...he's willing to admit what he has done. I'm not going to guess what his motives were, but before anyone mentions the "hate letter" he received...it's worth noting that he may have perpetrated that as a hoax as well. It is being investigated.

Some blame the media for helping along his narrative...but I think that's wrong. Telling his claims about the crime he reported is fair...and though some doubted this from the beginning...I see no reason to speculate on it's validity from a journalistic standpoint.

What is clear is that he played upon the biases, prejudice, and lack of internal dialogue on the left...which he is a part of. I don't doubt that he knew he would get support from the left, and he took advantage of it...for whatever reason.

Many on the left lament the fact that this will undoubtedly be used to cast doubt on future hate crimes...and that may be. I'm more concerned about the fact that the left seems to not realize why they bought into this so easily...and I tend to think it's because they have spent years trying to silence anybody on their side who might have spoken up in doubt of him. Instead, they've pushed the idea that such accusations of racism and homophobia should automatically be believed regardless of merit or evidence...if the person making them is from a "marginalized" group. The left has effectively silenced any internal dialogue on such issues and abandoned critical thinking.

I would imagine they had a sneaking suspicion he was fibbing when they ran a background check on him and found he had fibbed to the authorities before.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Feb 21, 2019

chevyontheriver said:
Will he be charged with a hate crime?

I think he will just take a plea deal. And be done with it. Now if he had beat Trump supporters up. That would be a hate crime . What he did was stupid. And just waisted a lot of time and money.

Shiloh Raven · Feb 21, 2019

As a social justice activist, stories like this anger me because his hoax undermines the validity of the racial attacks that aren't hoaxes. If he's ever the victim of a real racial attack, then no one is going to believe him and I think that's sad. I think he'll be seen as the Boy Who Cried Wolf.

Shiloh Raven · Feb 21, 2019

Mountainmanbob said:
Hope he gets 3 years in prison with the rough ones.

What he deserves for such a hateful act.

M-Bob

I can only hope that someone with that attitude doesn't determine what kind of consequences he will face for his stunt. I sincerely hope that his mental state will be taken into consideration and he will be dealt with in a fair and unbiased manner. I hope he's able to get professional help if he needs it.

Shiloh Raven · Feb 21, 2019

Hank77 said:
You make a good point about his mental health. You're right it is odd behavior. His actions could have been a cry for help.

That's what I'm thinking. I know this stunt isn't the same situation but it reminded me of the time when Britney Spears shaved all of her hair off. It was her way of acting out her emotional pain.

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