WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

Zetetica said:

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The Sabbath day did not move to Sunday. There is no scripture to back this.

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Personal Response
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As you recall, Christ came not to abolish the Law but to fulfill it.

Question: What does this mean?

What of all this below?


Mat 5:27
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

Mat 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

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Mat 5:31
It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

Mat 5:32
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Mat 5:33
Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

Mat 5:34
But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

Mat 5:35
Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

Mat 5:36
Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

Mat 5:37
But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Mat 5:38
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

Mat 5:39
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Mat 5:40
And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.

Mat 5:41
And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

Mat 5:42
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Mat 5:43
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

Mat 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Mat 5:45
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Mat 5:46
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

Mat 5:47
And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

Mat 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


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Christ came to fulfill the law, not to abolish it.

Mat 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 5:21
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

Mat 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

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What of the Sabbath Day? Has it also been completed as the others? Is every day now our day to remember The Lord, our God? Do we not speak to Him as a father, a friend? Is Christ not our first love? Is it not promised to the faithful that God will dwell in their hearts? That He will dwell with us on Earth? Even on the New Earth, which is nothing like the former? Where Christ is the light?

Is it reasonable to believe that our treatment of the Sabbath Day should be the same? That we should consider every day as The Lord's day, since The Lord made all days? He made the Sun, Moon, and the lights above which we can discern the passing of time by. He made the earth and the sea. Every day is His and while we work and go about our affairs, do we not in this age, under the New Testament, think on our Father in Heaven? Do we not afford Him our prayers and thanksgiving?

I know I do my best to thank our Father in Heaven for every Sunrise, for every day.

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Hello sister Zetetica, BIG welcome and so nice to meet you .
Correct sister you are right there is no scripture that says that God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. What do you think God's 4th commandments is saying *EXODUS 20:8-11?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts sister and nice to meet you.

God bless.

Kermos said:

You testify against yourself. You leave out the whole sentence that is in Matthew 5:17. That is you again trying to say that Jesus did not satisfy the law. Because you so very explicitly exclude the balance of the words spoken by Jesus the Lord, here is the whole sentence:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

There your imaginations are exposed again because in your words of your post you subtracted "I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." In your words of your composition you bear false witness against God's Word, Jesus Christ.

It is astonishing that you commit the crime against Jesus for which you accuse me against you. Your words composited say that Jesus did not satisfy the law such that violation of the 4th commandment is lawlessness. In the 4th paragraph, 1st sentence your words carry the meaning especially when all your words surrounding and including the 4th paragraph, 1st sentence are taken as a composition. Your words and your imaginations are NOT God's Word.

Here's an applicable passage to your words promoting a seventh day sabbath as some kind of juxtaposition to the rest given Jesus (Matthew 11:28):

6 When Jesus saw him lying [there], and knew that he had already been a long time [in that condition], He said to him, "Do you wish to get well?"
7 The sick man answered Him, "Sir, I have no man to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up, but while I am coming, another steps down before me."
8 Jesus said to him, "Get up, pick up your pallet and walk."
9 Immediately the man became well, and picked up his pallet and [began] to walk. Now it was the Sabbath on that day.
10 So the Jews were saying to the man who was cured, "It is the Sabbath, and it is not permissible for you to carry your pallet."
11 But he answered them, "He who made me well was the one who said to me, 'Pick up your pallet and walk.'"

That is John 5:6-11. The Apostle John identifies the day as the Sabbath elsewhere in the chapter, and the Jews identified the day as the Sabbath according to the Apostle John. Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, the Lord of the Sabbath, 'Jesus said to him, "Get up, pick up your pallet and walk."' (John 5:8).

Jesus, Who is God incarnate, said:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." said Jesus (Matthew 5:17).

"It is finished!" said Jesus (John 19:30 while Lord Jesus was on the cross).

You promote lawlessness in your words of your composition, and this post has demonstrated conclusively to the truth. This is fact despite your words claiming otherwise. Jesus said:

"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them" (Matthew 7:23)

A point I desire to bring attention to is where Jesus says "everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them", and for such a one, Jesus says that his house "did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock" (Matthew 7:25), so the one who hears and acts on the Word of God Jesus such as John 5:6-11 and Matthew 12:1-8; on the other hand, Jesus continued with "Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand" (Matthew 7:26) declaring the condition of a person is who disregards or adds to or subtracts from the Word of God Jesus with action, after which He concludes with the result of that the foolish person's house "fell - and great was its fall" (Matthew 7:27).

It is lawlessness not to follow the Word of God Jesus (John 8:31-32, 1 John 2:1-4, "By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments"), yet it is fruit of the Spirit to honor the Word of God Jesus (John 3:21, 1 John 2:1-4 "The one who says, 'I have come to know Him,' and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him").

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As posted ealier your words have no truth in them brother. Your only repeating things that are not true after being corrected because you have no scripture to share here in relation to the OP. This is sad for you. Please post where I have ever said in any one of my posts anywhere in this forum that JESUS does not satisfy the law? Now if you cannot provide a link to any post where I have said JESUS did not satisfy the law, why do you pretend that I have? This is simply bearing false witness against your brother especially as I have asked you more then once to show where I have ever said such things. This is sad for you. I will leave this between you and God. I have already forgiven you.

They were not my words I provide but God's WORD. God's WORD is not my words. The scriptures provided show that God's WORD does not teach lawlessness and JESUS came to save us from SIN not to continue to sin *JOHN 8:31-36. These are Gods' WORDS and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and tradtions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. These are God's WORD not my words. You are free to believe and do as you wish but we will all answer to God come judgment day. I do not judge you but his WORD will jugdge everything we say and do *JOHN 12:36; 47-48

Sadly your bearing false witness even after I have already corrected you on your confused interpretation of what I posted earlier. This is sad for you brother especially after I already esplained to you what was being posted many times now

The 4th paragraph, 1st sentence in the earlier post says this..

LGW wrote; JESUS did not satisfy God's LAW so that we are free to break it (SIN).

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The above is what I posted to you and does not say what you are claiming. It is saying JESUS satisfied the law but did not satisfy the law so we can continue to break it. I then posted back to you after you made the same claim last time that you are misunderstanding what is quoted to you. I posted this for your correction earlier thinking you misunderstood what was posted to you saying you either misunderstand what has been posted to you of your deliberately try to twist my words to try and say what they are not saying. Which is it? The sentence above does not say JESUS did not satisfy God's LAW and the prophets it says that he did not satisfy the law and the prophets so that we are free to break them as it says in the scripture. Then I posted the first part of MATTHEW 5:17 as a scripture proof; Think NOT that I have come to destroy the law and the prophets... MATTHEW 5:17. This claim of yours is sad for you even more sad for you knowing that I have already corrected your misunderstanding as now I see your only trying to dishonestly twist what I have posted to you because I have already corrected you on what was posted and the intent of what was posted to you. This is sad for you brother. I will leave this between you and God. I have already forgiven you.

Let's make this very clear here. It is God's WORD alone that says the GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) under the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. These are God's WORD not my words.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

Sorry friend, God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. All those who continue in known unrepentand sin do not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN and need to be Born again in LOVE to BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *JOHN 3:3-8. Whosoever is BORN og GOD does not practice sin *1 JOHN 3:9. Those who do so have not seen him or know him 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

Hope this helps.

Kermos said:

klutedavid, so well said in your post! Yes, the Christ revealed Himself in the Law. God's Love, Praise God! Such a blessing! So, in the rest of this post I happily quote some of your post.

Only absolute, divine love expressed in human form could ever meet the law in deed and in thought. Jesus not only matched the entire law but Jesus also far exceeded the law in all it ever asked of us.

The revelation of the Old and New Testaments is Jesus Christ.

You know that he was manifested to take away sins; and in Him is no sin (1 John 3:5).

No sin means the law has been met, the law is satisfied, in Christ there is no written law because Christ wrote the law about Himself.

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Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?

Sorry friend God's WORD disagrees with you.

Kermos said:

klutedavid and Ace of Hearts have done quite well in explaining the whole matter, so no thank you.

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Yey none of you have provided a single scripture for this OP here? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

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Also, please by all means as I have posted to your friends that they cannot respond to; maybe you can tell me the answer to these question?

1. Can you prove from God's WORD of Israel's historical records that EVERY SABBATH is a NEW MOON and EVERY NEW MOON resets the days of the week?

2. God's WORD says that the SABBATH was made on the SEVENTH DAY of the CREATION WEEK and is EVERY WEEK *GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:8-11. While the NEW MOON was made on the 4th DAY of the CREATION WEEK *GENESIS 1:14-19 and is once a month. Now if the MOON was created on DAY 4 of the creation week and the SABBATH on day 7 how can the NEW MOON be the start of the SABBATH?

GOD'S WORD DISAGREES WITH THE LUNA SABBATH THEORY

God's SABBATH according to God's WORD is the SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK *GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:8-11. End of story. Only God's WORD is true and we should beleve and follow it *ROMANS 3:4. The NEW MOON brings in a NEW MONTH and does not RE-SET the WEEK which is a 7 day continual weekly cycle. A NEW MOON can fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle.

Please brother by all means prove what you are claiming which is that EVERY SABBATH is a NEW MOON and EVERY NEW MOON resets the days of the week? You cannot can you.

BIBLICAL HISTORY DISAGREES WITH A LUNA SABBATH THEORY

Your claims are a false teaching and have no basis in God's WORD; biblical history inside and outside of God's WORD.

REFERENCES OUTSIDE OF GOD'S WORD.

*Luna Sabbath false teaching here click me; and here click me; and here click me; and here click me.

*Biblical Sabbath here click me (wiki)

* Hebrew Luna Calander and NEW MOON cycles from Wiki; Judaism 101 and Israel Scrience and Technology and elsewhere that all disagree with you.

So in essence your saying that all of Israel who have been keeping the SEVENTH DAY weekly Sabbath for 1000's of years have it wrong?

Only sent in love brother and only as a help.

Neogaia777 said:

I generally agree with it, though our interpretations may or probably do differ slightly on some things, what we think things to mean, ect...

I think much of it is good though...

God Bless!

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Thanks for your thoughts brother. What is it in the post you feel you may slightly disagree with?

God bless.

Neogaia777 said:

Our only real obedience is to submit to His truth, this truth, and the truth about Him... and the law is only the beginning of it, or the story...

God Bless!

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OBEDIENCE comes by FAITH as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD and walk in His Spirit > His truh is His WORD that we are to walk in and BELIEVE...

JOHN 17:17 [17], Sanctify them through your truth: your word is truth.

MATTHEW 4:4 [4], But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

JOHN 6:63 [63], It is the spirit that vivifies; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak to you, they are spirit, and they are life.

God bless.

Gregory95 said:

Doing the Sabbath like Jews of OT I believe is error based on this and based on this God gave us this day to rest He made it for us to enjoy in doing good things or resting

Matthew 12:1-8, Mark 2:23-28 and Luke 6:1-5. ... Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

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Hi Gregory, nice to meet you here brother and a big welcome for you .
Yep good post. The Scribes and the Pharisees had placed so many man made laws around the Sabbath in the days of JESUS that it had become a burden to God's people so much so it was as if God's people were made only for the burdens (man made ones) of the Sabbath. Jesus came to teach us that the Sabbath was made for mankind and he is the Lord of it and that it is ok to do Good on the Sabbath and rest in lots of different ways that were also good for mankind *MARK 2:27-28; MATTHEW 12:1-8.

Thanks for sharing your thouhts brother and nice to meet you again.

God bless.

Gregory95 said:

Doing the Sabbath like Jews of OT I believe is error based on this and based on this God gave us this day to rest He made it for us to enjoy in doing good things or resting

Matthew 12:1-8, Mark 2:23-28 and Luke 6:1-5. ... Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

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Did you have any thoughts on the OP brother?