Must we endure in the faith by continuously believing and repenting?

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And please explain how Jesus could say what He said in John 10:28 if salvation can be lost.

Hebrews 5:9
and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him
 
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Hebrews 5:9
and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him

It's an interesting situation. We are saved not by ourselves but by grace of God. But yet obedience is required. I have never understood it and it is part of the reason why I fell so deep into sin.
 
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Actually, Adam (thanks to Eve)
gave dominion over to Satan,
and thus God allows Satan to be ...
"the god of this age" & "the ruler of this world"
so it is not as simple as all of that.

How much free will does everyone have?
Satan's is limited, but how about ours?

If you read the book of Job, you will see even Satan is on a leash and can only do what God permits Him to do.

Think about it. All of the events in your life. Your personality. Your dreams and desires are all shaped by who you are. This person that you are was able to respond to the Holy Spirit's convictions and repent. If you had been born in another body with a different personality, you might have made different choices.

God hated Esau but loved Jacob from before they were even born. God knew that because of who Esau was, he would reject God but Jacob would pursue God at any cost. It was the free will decision of those two but yet the Bible also says that God "knits us while we are in the womb". He knows how we are made and is in complete control in what attributes we have, what circumstances we grow up in, and our personalities. Even the notion of free will is extremely limited with God's control but yet we are still responsible for our choices.

Like I said, it is a paradox.
 
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Even the notion of free will is extremely limited with God's control but yet we are still responsible for our choices. Like I said, it is a paradox.
I have been saying that ...
It's God's choice who will be chosen & called to be holy.
NO free will for man to choose himself for salvation.

But, AFTER becoming born again ...
the BAC must undergo/overgo? multitudes of tests
to see who loves God enough to be obedient, etc.
Who will practice righteousness?
Who will be obedient?
Who will be repenting of their sins?
Who will endure in his faith until the end of life?

Coming up soon ...
Who will fall away when being persecuted?
Who will submit to taking the mark of the beast?
 
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I have been saying that ...
It's God's choice who will be chosen & called to be holy.
NO free will for man to choose himself for salvation.

But, AFTER becoming born again ...
the BAC must undergo/overgo? multitudes of tests
to see who loves God enough to be obedient, etc.
Who will practice righteousness?
Who will be obedient?
Who will be repenting of their sins?
Who will endure in his faith until the end of life?

Coming up soon ...
Who will fall away when being persecuted?
Who will submit to taking the mark of the beast?

Those are all good questions and I agree with them. It is confusing.

Ultimately I think I will just try to seek God continuously since I have learned that either things are taking you away from God or towards Him.

The issue I have with being saved is that it seems like getting saved is actually more dangerous than being unregenerate! Because at least when you are unregenerate you can always repent as long as the Holy Spirit is calling you! However being saved and falling away is permanent and there is no genuine repentance. So it feels almost like a burden to be saved because now it's "overcome or else!"
 
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... being saved and falling away is permanent and there is no genuine repentance. So it feels almost like a burden to be saved because now it's "overcome or else!"
It's all about having the correct and acceptable
heart attitude before the Lord.
It's about striving to please Him!
If you love Him, He says you will obey Him.
If you sin, you will sincerely repent, and soon
(if not immediately) you will gain victory over that sin!

Hey, you know what "overcome" means!
It's not 1 John 5:5, for he is talking only
of overcoming (rising above spiritually)
the world of non-believers.

IMO, you have the right heart attitude!
And I'm happy for you!
 
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There is always the possibility

... that the many dire warnings
to born-again Christians in the NT ...
are there to drive them to be overcomers!


I.E. God's true elect will heed these warnings,
pass the tests, etc. ... and go on to victory!

(I'm just here to point out the warnings!)
 
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Yes, most everyone seems to mis-understand me
when I talk of "works salvation".
Such co-operation simply proves one's righteousness!

1 John 3:
7 Little children, let no one deceive you.
He who practices righteousness is righteous,

just as He is righteous.
8 He who sins is of the devil,
for the devil has sinned from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin,
for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin,
because he has been born of God.
10 In this the children of God and

the children of the devil are manifest:
Whoever does not practice righteousness
is not of God, nor is he who does not
love his brother.

Only one has been 'born of God' and that was Jesus of Nazareth. I agree that those who love God will practice righteousness and will love others or perhaps more literally will be a vessel through which God loves others. But I don't think John nor anybody else has suggested that we who are blessed with God's gift of grace/salvation will not be capable of sin and in fact will sin, sometime intentionally such as in a hateful word/reaction/response and sometimes inadvertently by unintentionally doing that which harms ourselves and/or others.
 
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It's all about having the correct and acceptable
heart attitude before the Lord.
It's about striving to please Him!
If you love Him, He says you will obey Him.
If you sin, you will sincerely repent, and soon
(if not immediately) you will gain victory over that sin!

Hey, you know what "overcome" means!
It's not 1 John 5:5, for he is talking only
of overcoming (rising above spiritually)
the world of non-believers.

IMO, you have the right heart attitude!
And I'm happy for you!

I understand that there are two types of overcoming the world. One is believing on the Son and in Revelations the other type of overcoming is mentioned which seems to indicate that our actions have an impact.

That is one thing that I did not understand when I got saved. I repented of my sins and believed on Jesus and received my new nature but I did not understand how to continue in the faith. Plus my church is an OSAS church which emphasizes that salvation is "God's works alone!" So I ended up not really doing anything and not pressing onto maturity. Then I slowly declined into my old ways.

If only I had understood the importance of abiding in Christ and maturing, I would not be in this mess.
 
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All I see in this thread from the people who believe you can lose your salvation is a lot of puffed up boasting, as if everyone else is a grievous sinner and they’re not.

If I was truly puffed up then I would not think that I am an apostate. Christians cannot continue on sinning. It's not permitted.
 
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All I see in this thread from the people who believe you can lose your salvation is a lot of puffed up boasting, as if everyone else is a grievous sinner and they’re not.
Sorry you feel that way.
I'm just posting NT warning verses re: losing salvation!
You're not alone ... many "believers" choose
to ignore or reject these verses!
 
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I understand that there are two types of overcoming the world. One is believing on the Son and in Revelations the other type of overcoming is mentioned which seems to indicate that our actions have an impact.
If only I had understood the importance of abiding in Christ and maturing, I would not be in this mess.
Jesus gives His definition of "overcoming":
Revelation 3:21
"To him who overcomes I will grant
to sit with Me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down
with My Father on His throne."


You're NOT in any mess whatsoever >>>>>

We must agree on Hebrews 10:26-27, which is
talking about continuing to sin without repentance!

All you need to do is REPENT of these past sins,
and run away from them, and not do them any more!
A few failures is acceptable ...
just repent again until you have overcome!
It's having the correct heart attitude that really counts.
 
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If I was truly puffed up then I would not think that I am an apostate. Christians cannot continue on sinning. It's not permitted.
No, but if you say that you have no sin, you are a liar and the truth is not in you (1 John 1:8). As a Christian, you should walk after the Spirit, but not every Christian walks after the Spirit. The Corinthians certainly didn’t as described by Paul in his first letter to them. Yet they were still called saints. No, sin should be avoided, but since it is impossible to cease from sin, it is why we have the Savior to pay for all our sins.

“Jesus paid it all,
all to him I owe.
Sin had left a crimson stain,
he washed it white as snow.”

If you say that you can lose your salvation, you are also saying that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ wasn’t good enough to pay for all your sins, that somehow his blood is blemished and unworthy. And that is blasphemy.

I rest in Christ, knowing that from him I have received for sin the double cure. Can you truly say the same?
 
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Nikki,

It appears that ...
you do not take the dire warnings in the NT seriously
... and are just trusting in the precious blood of Jesus!

But, we have our part to play in our salvation ...
other than merely believing, having faith, and trusting.
 
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How can one claim to be of the Kingdom if they continue to act in the traditional ways of man? Will we be self serving, self justifying individuals seeking gain at the expense of others and twisting the meaning of good and evil to justify it in the Kingdom? Then why pursue the old ways here?

Is there something here in this world you feel you need to defend?
 
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