Which political party is more consistent with scriptural teaching?

Shiloh Raven · Feb 16, 2019

The Barbarian said:
And yet, when they controlled the WH and Congress, they did less than millions of ordinary Americans have done to save the unborn. Democrats are at least honest about it.

I know many conservative Christians like to point a judgmental finger at liberal Christians as if they are more Christian and more righteous, but their pompous judgmental attitude is nothing more than virtue signaling, IMO. I pointed out a couple of their moral inconsistencies in my previous posts (here and here) in this thread and in the meme I posted earlier in this thread too. I will say that I don't take their pious attitude of judging and condemning liberals or liberal politicians seriously anymore.

The Barbarian · Feb 16, 2019

Barbarian observes:
And yet, when they controlled the WH and Congress, they did less than millions of ordinary Americans have done to save the unborn. Democrats are at least honest about it.

brinny said:
i was responding to the OP and i cast my vote.

Your response changes none of that.

I get that. It's not really about the facts for most people. If it was, no one who says morality matters for candidates would touch Donald Trump.

brinny · Feb 16, 2019

The Barbarian said:
Barbarian observes:
And yet, when they controlled the WH and Congress, they did less than millions of ordinary Americans have done to save the unborn. Democrats are at least honest about it.

I get that. It's not really about the facts for most people. If it was, no one who says morality matters for candidates would touch Donald Trump.

What has what you posted got to do with either of my posts?

Sistrin · Feb 16, 2019

Junker P Hoodwink said:
What is your opinion on the subject? Make sure to explain your views.

With all due respect I fail to understand how you could even ask the thread question. The Democrat party is actively passing laws which authorize, promote, and legalize infanticide, the clear and indisputable murder of full term babies. And then cheer about it. There is no question here.

Sistrin · Feb 16, 2019

The Barbarian said:
The fact is, Democrats usually favor abortion.

Democrats at large hold abortion as a sacrament. However the party is actively moving on from favoring abortion. Now they are promoting infanticide.

The Barbarian said:
Republicans lie about it.

No we don't.

createdtoworship · Feb 16, 2019

The Barbarian said:
And yet, when they controlled the WH and Congress, they did less than millions of ordinary Americans have done to save the unborn. Democrats are at least honest about it.

yes sir, I provide ample evidence republicans have been trying for years to get abortion over turned. in this post: https://www.christianforums.com/threads/which-political-party-is-more-consistent-with-scriptural-teaching.8092100/page-14#post-73681184

some republicans are not constitutional republicans and are border line liberals, those of course I am not counting. But over all the party is staunchly against abortion and has done far more for the abortion cause than all the other parties combined, it is very obvious. How can an independant party that has no votes in congress or senate, do anything regarding abortion? They simply can't. For example there was an abortion bill called AB154 and it was allowing nurse practitioners to do abortions without proper training. All republicans on the legislature voted no, and 99% of democrats voted yes. This is just an example. I could post dozens of these. Here is the score card: http://cragop.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/2013-CRA-Legislative-Scorecard.pdf and finally here is the general platform advertisements during election years, republicans are not shy on the fact they are anti abortion and are very vocal of that effort: Republican Party on Abortion

Shiloh Raven · Feb 16, 2019

The Barbarian said:
I get that. It's not really about the facts for most people. If it was, no one who says morality matters for candidates would touch Donald Trump.

I think we can rest assured that the moral character of the President will matter again to the Christian Right who support Trump now once he's no longer in office and when the next Democratic President is elected to office. I think we'll see the swift return of the moral indignation from the Christian Right that we saw when Bill Clinton was still the President. I think we can imagine the moral indignation and condemnation of Barack Obama from the Christian Right if he had demonstrated the slightest hint of sexual deviant behavior and sexual scandals that Donald Trump is guilty of himself. They would have torn him to shreds if he had been in his third marriage to a former mistress or if he had fathered five children with three different women or if he had had an affair with a inappropriate content star and then paid her off.

Shiloh Raven · Feb 16, 2019

The Barbarian said:
I get that. It's not really about the facts for most people. If it was, no one who says morality matters for candidates would touch Donald Trump.

I think Trump should consider himself lucky because he wouldn't have all the support he has enjoyed from his conservative voting base if he had campaigned as a liberal Democrat. I think he was right when he said he could shoot somebody in the middle of 5th Ave. and he wouldn't lose any voters.

Junker P Hoodwink · Feb 18, 2019

Sistrin said:
Democrats at large hold abortion as a sacrament. However the party is actively moving on from favoring abortion. Now they are promoting infanticide.

No we don't.

The Democrats do indeed regard abortion as a sacred equality sacrament. They think a woman's right to kill her unborn baby represents "progress," but in reality it represents the end of life for that baby.

jmldn2 · Feb 20, 2019

zelosravioli said:
Democrats are now the party of big Govt and socialism, they deny it and yet here we have many Democratic voters, representatives and senators falling instep with ideas such as 'The New Green Deal' it is just blatant socialism, more govt take over of industry, more spending, and more taxes.
This is no surprise to conservatives - THIS is exactly why conservatives ended up voting for Trump. It is because they had no hope that 'neither' Dems or Republicans were going to do anything to stop the increasingly growing Govt waste, spending, regulations, and debt.
Instead, since party Democrat's won't admit to their socialism, they accuse all conservatives of racism... that is such freaking BS. Now that their Green deal' proves just what Conservatives have been warning of, the Democrats are embracing full Socialism.

America has always been a free enterprise form of Capitalism - it was never socialism - that would be to change the basic framework of American and the exact thing our country formed together to oppose and prevent.

Oppressive govt, high taxes, high debt - not only are these the antithesis to freedom, it leads directly to Communism and the end of freedom, and end of freedom of religion and speech altogether.
How can a Christian not see where Socialism goes??

Good post and full of truth.

jmldn2 · Feb 20, 2019

RDKirk said:
I'll bet I have more time in a military uniform than you.

What does your time in a military uniform have to do with what I deem is truth? I do appreciate your service to this nation as I appreciate all who serve, have served, will serve. I'm from a long line of veterans as my husband is one as well.

While I have never served in a uniform, that does not take away my right to express myself on the issues facing this country.

zelosravioli · Feb 20, 2019

Shiloh Raven said:
I would say that a lot of Republicans are pro-birth and not pro-life.
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It's all about the socialism, isn't it....
The left has been screaming and accusing the conservatives of racism!!!!! Hatred of women! Hatred hatred!!!!! Now its Republicans hate children!!! ... really, God help us.
But it's all about your socialism, isn't it.
If the leftist Democrats would just be intellectually honest about this fact, instead of accusing conservatives of 'hate' you could have meaningful discussions. Why not simply say we would like to raise taxes in order to provide more for child welfare, or 'whatever' social program you want - but instead, like your meme here; it accuses Republican voters of not wanting "a child fed" Not wanting 'a child educated or housed'. As a honest thinker, how could you stand by these false statements - just say you want more social programs, more tax's, and more socialism - without the slander, and false witness ('You shall not spread a false report. Do not join the wicked by being a malicious witness' Exodus 23:1)

jmldn2 · Feb 20, 2019

Liberals today want to be free to say whatever they like, in any manner they like, to whomever they like. Now that freedom of speech is okay as long as it goes for conservatives as well. That, however, is not the case. Just look at how the media reports and how the liberal leadership react whenever a conservative opens their mouths. Hypocrisy at its finest.

zelosravioli · Feb 20, 2019

Shiloh Raven said:
I think we can rest assured that the moral character of the President will matter again to the Christian Right who support Trump now once he's no longer in office and when the next Democratic President is elected to office. I think we'll see the swift return of the moral indignation from the Christian Right that we saw when Bill Clinton was still the President. I think we can imagine the moral indignation and condemnation of Barack Obama from the Christian Right if he had demonstrated the slightest hint of sexual deviant behavior and sexual scandals that Donald Trump is guilty of himself. They would have torn him to shreds if he had been in his third marriage to a former mistress or if he had fathered five children with three different women or if he had had an affair with a inappropriate content star and then paid her off.

Donald Trump was elected because Hillary was corrupt and the Democratic party was moving toward socialism - and neither party were doing anything about it, nor knew what to do.

No one is under the impression that Donald Trump was a model citizen - everyone knows his background and love life - no one is surprised here - so accusing people of being 'ignorant of his behavior' is actually ignorance on the part of the left - it is ignorance of the obvious.

Donald Trump was far from any conservatives choice for president, or candidate. Remember that he was considered a moderate, an Independent, many considered him a New York liberal. But he is Patriotic, pro-freedom, and pro-business - seemingly more so than the other candidates. Christians of course cannot condone his behavior, but socialism destroys 'everyones' freedom business and hard earned income, his love life does not.

Donald won because he was an 'outsider' he won because so many have given up on either party. During the primaries other candidates came off as business as usual, politics as usual - conservatives have long wanted a business man in the Whitehouse because no politicians seem to know anything about money or business - all they can do is spend and waste money - see Ross Perot, Herb Cain, Carly Fiorina ... because politicians have turned Government into a giant corporation - we didn't care if it was Hugh Hefner or a horse that got elected - as long as they can reduce outofcontrol Govt regulation spending and socialism.

EpiscipalMe · Feb 20, 2019

People who think the Democrats are for socialism either do not know what Democrats want or do not know what socialism is.

zelosravioli · Feb 21, 2019

EpiscipalMe said:
People who think the Democrats are for socialism either do not know what Democrats want or do not know what socialism is.

People who know what socialism is, know that most people don't, especially Democrats.
Marxism suggests that there needs to be a gradual transition from an owners class to a workers class. You begin with Govt regulations of everything, including production, building, food, industry, energy, then distribution, fairness, equality, etc. These are the primary stages of socialism. Socialism is a implemented with 'gradual' changes, thats what socialists are taught. There is no pure socialism or Communism, just as there is no pure free enterprise system everything is a compromise, yet they do operate from two opposite ends of the scale.

Conservatives, like Trump, want to move the weight 'back' to the right. And the Democrat party has been moving, or has moved to the left, and is doing so fast - as we expected they would given the chance. There is no reason for them to move slow if caution means nothing, since by definition, that is the difference between the right and left - conservatism uses caution - and the left does not.

EpiscipalMe · Feb 21, 2019

zelosravioli said:
People who know what socialism is, know that most people don't, especially Democrats.
Marxism suggests that there needs to be a gradual transition from an owners class to a workers class. You begin with Govt regulations of everything, including production, building, food, industry, energy, then distribution, fairness, equality, etc. These are the primary stages of socialism. Socialism is a implemented with 'gradual' changes, thats what socialists are taught. There is no pure socialism or Communism, just as there is no pure free enterprise system everything is a compromise, yet they do operate from two opposite ends of the scale.

Conservatives, like Trump, want to move the weight 'back' to the right. And the Democrat party has been moving, or has moved to the left, and is doing so fast - as we expected they would given the chance. There is no reason for them to move slow if caution means nothing, since by definition, that is the difference between the right and left - conservatism uses caution - and the left does not.

My statement stands.

Since you know what socialism is, then you do not know what the Democratic Party wants.

Shiloh Raven · Feb 21, 2019

It is the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party. Perhaps it's too much to ask to use the correct name when there are redundant complaints about it. I don't think the ad nauseam rants should be taken seriously if the person doing the ranting doesn't even bother to use the correct name.

Fact Check: The ‘Democratic’ or ‘Democrat’ Party?

The Barbarian · Feb 21, 2019

I often refer to it as the democrat party. Just a habit. It is properly, the democratic party.

Libertarian, here. Sorry.

zelosravioli · Feb 21, 2019

Shiloh Raven said:
He sure could benefit from a Bible class. Maybe he will learn that Second Corinthians isn't entitled Two Corinthians and he'll eventually be convinced that he does have to ask God for forgiveness of his sins. He'll learn adultery is indeed a sin, despite his personal opinion and his long history of committing it.

You have no rebuttal but to lecture me over a typo!!?
In the post above, you criticize Donald Trump for a slip, and write 'entitled' two Corinthians...

Book at post #213... a quick check of 'your' posts and I find 'typos, and bltantly accusing me of ad nauseam is just adding ad hominum to your own ad-nasalism.
Why don't we just criticize what I'm wearing or the length of my hair... or my ethnicity?

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