Will the 2020 election be

bhsmte said:

Irony

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Lol only if the belief in God is equal to the belief government is honest

Go Braves said:

Oh I realize what you were trying to refer to.

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I thought you might have, but it still was a peculiar sentence.

Albion said:

I thought you might have, but it still was a peculiar sentence.

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Don't worry about your sentence being peculiar.

Gregory95 said:

Lol only if the belief in God is equal to the belief government is honest

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What god?

GoldenBoy89 said:

Indeed. Capitalism ain't going nowhere.

Heck, even we socialists use iPhones and drink Coca-Cola!

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Turn in your pink card Comrade.

LoAmmi said:

Why do we need to pick a Republican-lite candidate again?

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You mean like Hilary Clinton who would have won if she had been almost anyone else?

I think you're going to need unaffiliated/independent voters. . Many of those voters are centrists, that left their previous party because the parties have become too partisan and/or too far left or right.

I think if someone like Howard Schultz runs on a centrist platform, Dems are going to lose more voters than Reps do. So unless Dems. want to take the chance of another four years of Trump, I think running a far left progressive would be a mistake.

I'm one of those voters who misses the Blue Dogs and like Representatives like Susan Collins. People who are willing to vote with those across the aisle because it's the right thing to do for the country.
I would like someone like Olympia Snowe.

Residential Bob said:

That's not how privatized police departments work (or fire departments).

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Tell us, how do they work? That’s how any other privatized service works.

cow451 said:

I’ve seen some pay-for-spray fire departments and that’s how they work.

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Pay for spray. Lol.

Residential Bob said:

I'll pass, thank you.

Private fire departments contract with municipalities to serve municipalities.

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Still paid by taxpayers, so not totally privatized.

hislegacy said:

Between capitalism and free market and socialism?

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....or vote for Trump and get all three in one.

This is the issue being discussed.

Of course, if it is Biden-Kloeuchar, the Republicans won't have a very effective issue trying to paint Biden as a socialist or moving toward socialism. That would even be difficult with Booker as a candidate.

On the other hand, Sanders can say that he is a "democratic-solicalist". Trump will be more than happy to accept that term.

However, that is not the real issue. What if the nominee is Sanders, one of his disciples, or one of the "progressives" (calling some of them "progressive" is as strange as calling Trump "conservative")? Then, the issue of regulated free market capitalism vs democratic socialism will be an issue.

Hank77 said:

I'm pretty sure Republicans will present it that way, it's been their talking point against Dems. for sometime now.
However, if the Dems. don't come up with a more moderate candidate, Clinton was more moderate, they won't have a chance. Dems. rejected Sanders and chose Clinton. I don't see how that has changed.

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cow451 said:

Socialism is to Democrats like Libertarianism is to Republicans. In practice it’s watered down so much as to be of little significance.

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true but probably irrelevant

mark46 said:

Then, the issue of regulated free market capitalism vs democratic socialism will be an issue.

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Which would be the wrong way to frame it. The presence of free markets is no more necessary to capitalism than their absence is to democratic socialism. What progressives like Bernie object to is capitalism without free markets.

Halbhh said:

so·cial·ism:
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
(remember this?)

See? It's literally when the government owns factories, mines, businesses.

Social security and medicare are not socialism (no more than a steel plow is a war). They are actually the means by which capitalistic America avoided socialism.

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"and distribution of goods" includes more than it did when Marx and Engels wrote their manifesto.

Today, government distributed (and paid for) goods may include health care, security services, fire departments, libraries and the rest of the social goods provided in democracies, thus the European term "democratic socialism". As has been pointed out, there can be regulated free markets under this type of socialism.

There is a long continuum from Mao's style of state socialism to Ayn Rand's style of libertarianism. In the US, we have had our Socialist Party platform (of 1912) and our "Conscience of a Conservative (1964)." We often debate on where we are on the continuum with regard to various goods or services. Many, many Democrats are suggesting (in true manifesto form) that we move one giant step to the left. They are asking "Mother may I"? First, the Democratic Party will answer in their primaries and nomination process. Then, the country will answer in the general election, if one of the "Progressives" is nominated by the Democrats.

mark46 said:

true but probably irrelevant

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Objection overruled!

Speedwell said:

Which would be the wrong way to frame it. The presence of free markets is no more necessary to capitalism than their absence is to democratic socialism. What progressives like Bernie object to is capitalism without free markets.

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And most folks don't want Bernie's idea of free choices in the health market, and probably lots of others.

I'm just pointing out how the debate will likely be framed. I'm sure that some of the progressives will argue just how strongly they believe in the invisible hand of the free market. Just BTW, Bernie is likely to be fine with being called a socialist or democratic socialist, with all that this implies to those in the US, that is he Socialist Party Platform of 1912. Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat in Vermont. He is an Independent. Lahey is a Democrat. Dean is a Democrat.
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As an aside, I understand that I am likely fighting a losing fight. The left will likely get its candidate as they have before after a loss. And they will likely lose yet again. I've watched this for many decades.

Its very simple yet people can't understand?

1pagan gods are demons

2statue of liberty REPRESENTS demon

3 pagan gods were sacrificed to by gentiles

4 to say the statue of pagan gods means nothing is to say Nazi flags mean nothing

Quite simple the issue is what it REPRESENTS

Pommer said:

What/whom has ever been sacrificed to the Statue of Liberty?

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Pommer said:

LOL, what?

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Used to be welfare queens driving around in Cadillacs, until people caught on to what that was supposed to imply. Change the language, but not the message.

Residential Bob said:

Tell Alexandria Occasional-Cortex of this "little" difference.

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Drink!