Is Origin of Language proof for a Creator/God?

Bungle_Bear said:

How is evidenced reality "speculation"?

Do you think an explanation is only valid if it's full of jargon? Why do you want things to be more complicated than they need to be?

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Because what you said, I can (easily) say it too. I am a lay person in linguistics. Are you one the same?

juvenissun said:

Because what you said, I can (easily) say it too. I am a lay person in linguistics. Are you one the same?

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A very simple rule of good communication - Keep It Simple, Stupid. Unnecessary use of jargon and technical terms does little to facilitate communication. Aren't you supposed to be a teacher? Did they not explain such simple concepts to you when preparing you to talk to a class full of novices?

These articles support God:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4573302/pdf/12976_2015_Article_16.pdf
https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/pdf/10.1142/9789814508728_0011
https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/pdf/10.1142/9789814508728_0011?download=true
https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/pdf/10.1142/9789814508728_0010

These article should rebut Evolution:
22 Falsifications of Evolution!
11 Major Arguments against Evolution

hitmanpro108 said:

These articles support God:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4573302/pdf/12976_2015_Article_16.pdf
https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/pdf/10.1142/9789814508728_0011
https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/pdf/10.1142/9789814508728_0011?download=true
https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/pdf/10.1142/9789814508728_0010

These article should rebut Evolution:
22 Falsifications of Evolution!
11 Major Arguments against Evolution

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None of those articles have anything to do with the existence of God. They all appear to be about molecular genetics. How do they "support God?"

Bungle_Bear said:

A very simple rule of good communication - Keep It Simple, Stupid. Unnecessary use of jargon and technical terms does little to facilitate communication. Aren't you supposed to be a teacher? Did they not explain such simple concepts to you when preparing you to talk to a class full of novices?

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There are always special terms used in a discipline, no matter how simple the expression is. I just don't see it in your answer. In fact, it is very easy to tell if one is a trained person from his talk on the issue.

OK, one more question: Western written languages are more alphabetical, whereas most oriental written languages are more graphical. What caused the difference?

juvenissun said:

You need to evaluate it scientifically.
This so-called scenario is the best choice left when screened through all scientific possibilities. You will hit somekind of deadend when you go any other way.

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NOW you invoke science!

juvenissun said:

When science hit its end, what you do?
You can do nothing. Or
You can follow some kind of guide in faith.
What I do is not any worse than you do, and is likely to be better.

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Or you can admit 'I don't know' and keep researching. Never happens in religion.

Steve Petersen said:

Or you can admit 'I don't know' and keep researching. Never happens in religion.

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If a religion does that, it is no longer a religion.
Science finds questions. Religion finds answers.
I like the latter better. Nobody likes question which is not answered. To die with questions not answered is miserable.

juvenissun said:

There are always special terms used in a discipline, no matter how simple the expression is. I just don't see it in your answer. In fact, it is very easy to tell if one is a trained person from his talk on the issue.

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The fact you insist that any answer must contain some form of jargon or technical term demonstrates that you have no real idea about effective communication. Your inability to grasp such simple concepts is your problem, not mine. I feel sorry for any students who are forced to listen to you talking about "solid mineral material exposed on the surface of the earth" when any normal person would simply say "rock".

OK, one more question: Western written languages are more alphabetical, whereas most oriental written languages are more graphical. What caused the difference?

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1. Most oriental languages are not graphical.
2. What do you mean by "caused"? Are you asking for a history of different writing systems or are you asking about the underlying social frameworks which led different groups of people to choose different forms of orthography (notice the use of a technical term)?

How did we move from spoken languages to written language? Isolated groups may have no written language yet still speak.

46AND2 said:

Regardless, it is extremely obvious that "his" and "their" are possessive pronouns referring back to the animals. So obvious that virtually every version of the Bible other than the KJV replaces "his" with "its."

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Do any of your other versions show that God made 3 Heavens? One the 2nd Day. Genesis 1:8 and other HeavenS (plural) on the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4 Believing any Bible scholar unless he is still alive in the present last days, is inviting frustration and the inability to understand Genesis.

Speedwell said:

It doesn't matter whether you think it computes. Cattle is a plural noun. Their is the grammatically correct plural possessive pronoun. As in,

"Our cattle have lost their winter coats."

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Doesn't compute since both God the Trinity and God the Son created. Your understanding leaves one unable to understand Genesis. ie.
Gen 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

In your opinion, Who is US and OUR?

Aman777 said:

Doesn't compute since both God the Trinity and God the Son created. Your understanding leaves one unable to understand Genesis. ie.
Gen 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

In your opinion, Who is US and OUR?

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In traditional Trinitarian Christian theology, God the Father created through God the Son.

Speedwell said:

In traditional Trinitarian Christian theology, God the Father created through God the Son.

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No problem since in Jesus dwells ALL of the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Col 2:9

God ALWAYS creates eternally but Jesus ALWAYS creates temporarily. Amen?

Aman777 said:

Do any of your other versions show that God made 3 Heavens? One the 2nd Day. Genesis 1:8 and other HeavenS (plural) on the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4 Believing any Bible scholar unless he is still alive in the present last days, is inviting frustration and the inability to understand Genesis.

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That's pretty funny considering the KJV translators are all dead.

Aman777 said:

No problem since in Jesus dwells ALL of the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Col 2:9

God ALWAYS creates eternally but Jesus ALWAYS creates temporarily. Amen?

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I see no necessity for that distinction.

Bungle_Bear said:

1. Most oriental languages are not graphical.
2. What do you mean by "caused"? Are you asking for a history of different writing systems or are you asking about the underlying social frameworks which led different groups of people to choose different forms of orthography (notice the use of a technical term)?

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If oriental languages are not graphical, then what are they? How do you describe the difference between them and most western languages?

Aman777 said:

Doesn't compute since both God the Trinity and God the Son created. Your understanding leaves one unable to understand Genesis. ie.
Gen 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

In your opinion, Who is US and OUR?

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Who made Her kinds?

juvenissun said:

If oriental languages are not graphical, then what are they? How do you describe the difference between them and most western languages?

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Most oriental languages are alphabetic rather than logographic: Hindi, Tamil, Thai, Malay, Tagalog, Vietnamese, etc. - all alphabetic. You are left with Chinese and Japanese (which uses a mixed alphabetic/syllabaric/logographic solution to script) as the logographic examples. What did you have in mind?

juvenissun said:

If oriental languages are not graphical, then what are they? How do you describe the difference between them and most western languages?

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Oriental languages fit into a number of different families including Indo-European, Sino-Tibetan (these are the largest 2 families), Indo-Aryan, Japonic, Austronesian, Kadai, Mon-Khmer, Dravidian, Turkic, Semitic and a number of other, smaller families. Western languages in general fit into a different set of families, although Indo-European and Turkic would be 2 obvious common families.

In terms of writing, Hanzi (Chinese) is the only purely logographic system. Japanese uses a mix of logographic and syllabic writing, while the others use either syllabic, abugida or alphabetic systems.

ETA All "western" (meaning European, rather than western hemisphere) languages use alphabetic orthography.