This is a repeat of post #129 ...
Salvation is a process which is completed at death.
Please understand:
man’s co-operation is involved in his salvation.
He can choose to fall away, fall from grace,
draw back to perdition.
He can be shut out of the Kingdom of God.
He can be shut out of the New Jerusalem.
He can be blotted out of the Book of Life.
He can gain eternal death, and he can lose eternal life.
All of this is clearly stated in the NT.
Would anyone care to see some of the verses?
Here is my response to your post #129, in post #131 -
Jesus clearly said that eternal life is possessed by those who believe. There is no process.
And Jesus made that very clear in John 10:28. Once given the gift of eternal life, the recipient shall never perish.
Meaning, man must receive it.
No different than a drowning person grabbing a life buoy thrown by someone. Does the drowning person credit himself for grabbing on to the life buoy, or does he rightly and properly credit the person who threw him the life buoy and hauled him in?
Anyone who would take credit for grabbing the life buoy and claiming that they saved themselves would be an idiot.
Falling from grace has NOT been shown to be leaving salvation.
Go ahead and keep repeating your mantra. But that doesn't prove your claims, or make them true, no matter how many times you repeat them.
What does prove a claim is to quote a verse that actually says what you clalim.
Can you do that? You haven't, so far.
As we all know, there are NO verses that support these claims:
"He can be shut out of the Kingdom of God.
He can be shut out of the New Jerusalem.
He can be blotted out of the Book of Life.
He can gain eternal death, and he can lose eternal life.
All of this is clearly stated in the NT.
Would anyone care to see some of the verses?"
But go ahead and provide any verse that actually says any of these 4 claims above.
Oh, I must add, claims #1-3 are applicable only for those who have not ever believed.
So, to be clear, you need to show any verse that makes these claims against anyone who HAS believed in Christ and received the free gift of eternal life.
The 4th claim is preposterous in light of what Jesus said in John 10:28, the verse that you have refused to deal with.
Because it refutes the claim that saved person (possessor of eternal life) can perish.
Your claim is directly AGAINST the words of Jesus.
According to your own views, that should result in loss of salvation all by itself.
So, merely claiming and teaching that salvation can be lost is a reason for losing salvation, for your theology to be consistent.
But, we'll see just how consistent it is.