WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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All you have to do is read GENESIS 1 and GENENSIS 2 to see that the NEW MOON SABBATH claim is a false one.

If the NEW MOON was created on the 4th Day of the creation week *GENESIS 1:14-19 and the God's SABBATH was created on the SEVENTH DAY *GENESIS 2:1-3 of the creation week how can the SABBATH start on a NEW MOON?

It would also have to reset the weekly seven day cycle which is continuous every NEW MOON which it does not. The NEW MOON Sabbath is a false teaching not supported by God's WORD.
Explain why the new moon is an important festival for the Jews, especially if it doesn't relate to the lunar calendar they followed.
 
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Here's what I do whenever I get challenged on this question:

Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.


What I do is lay down the Law. I observe Sabbath on Sunday, and that's the way it is going to be. So sorry that some people do not approve. I don't need their permission, and that is scriptural.
 
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Explain why the new moon is an important festival for the Jews, especially if it doesn't relate to the lunar calendar they followed.

Posted on this earlier. The NEW MOON starts the beginning of the NEW MONTH. It was made according to the scriptures for signs, seasons days and years. It is the NEW MOONS that were used to determine the precise times to start the ANNUAL FESTIVAL (LEVITICUS 23).

Now please answer my question.

If the NEW MOON was created on the 4th Day of the creation week *GENESIS 1:14-19 and the God's SABBATH was created on the SEVENTH DAY *GENESIS 2:1-3 of the creation week how can the SABBATH start on a NEW MOON?
 
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Here's what I do whenever I get challenged on this question:

Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.


What I do is lay down the Law. I observe Sabbath on Sunday, and that's the way it is going to be. So sorry that some people do not approve. I don't need their permission, and that is scriptural.

Then you should have no problems answering this post and all the scriptures that disagree with you?

COLOSSIANS 2 is talking about the SHADOW laws in CIRCUMCISION and BAPTISM v11-13 then the MOSIAC SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES v14. So the CONTEXT of the chapter is the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT. Now v16 PAUL is referening the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures to do with the SHADOW laws in FEAST days.

COLOSSIANS 2:16 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY [FEASTIVALS], or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAYS <plural>:

PAUL is quoting from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures here..

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

NUMBERS 28 [9] And on the Sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a MEAT OFFERING, mingled with oil, and the DRINK OFFERING thereof: [10] This is the burnt offering of EVERY SABBATH, beside the continual BURN'T OFFERING, and his DRINK OFFERING.

ISAIAH 1:10-14 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your NEW MOONS and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

LEVITICUS 23:4 [4] These are THE FEASTS OF THE LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. [5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is THE LORD'S PASSOVER. [6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread…… [13] And the MEAT OFFERING thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the Lord for a sweet savour: and the DRINK OFFERING thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.

HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will also cause all her mirth to CEASE, HER [ISRAEL'S] FEAST DAYS, her NEW MOONS, and HER SABBATHS, and all HER [ISRAELS] SOLEMN FEASTS.

wait for it back to the NEW...

HEBREWS 9:1-12 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

HEBREWS 10:1-9
[1], FOR THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS TO COME, AND NOT THE VERY IMAGE OF THE THINGS, CAN NEVER WITH THOSE SACRIFICES which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2], For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[3], But in those SACRIFICES there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
[4], For it is not possible that THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS should take away sins.
[5], Why when he comes into the world, he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS YOU WOULD NOT BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME:
[6], IN BURN'T OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAVE HAD NO PLEASURE.
[7], Then said I, See, I come in the VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.
[8], Above when he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU WOULD NOT, neither had pleasure therein; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW;
[9], Then said he, See, I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.

NOTE; the LAW in reference here is NOT God's 10 Commandments but the law of sin offereings from the SHADOW laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 from the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 (Please look at the attached scriptures)

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CONCLUSION
; The CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION is a Shadow law from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT pointing to a NEW HEART to LOVE and OBEY GOD in the NEW COVENANT. The SHADOW laws of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION from the Mosaic BOOK of the Covenant are the within CHAPTER CONTEXT BEFORE COL 2:14
Colossians 2 is not a reference to God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us a knowledge of what SIN is when broken. They are a reference to the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

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The weekly SABBATH is a requirement outside of the ANNUAL FEASTS as it is one of God's ETNERNAL LAWS (10 commandments)

God's 4th commandment.

EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> [Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day] [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God [This is a direct reference from God's Word defining what the Sabbath is; The SABBATH = the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK]: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and MADE IT HOLY.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

Sorry brother your only being warned in love. You mix up your Shadow laws with God's 10 Commandments. Besides God's 4th Commandment which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH written on stone, there were "SPECIAL" annual ceremonial Sabbath connected to the annual Jewish festivals in the OLD COVENANT written in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

Besides God's 4th Commandment which is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH written on stone, there were "SPECIAL" annual ceremonial Sabbath connected to the annual Jewish festivals in the OLD COVENANT written in the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

These ceremonial Sabbath were not God's 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments but were connected to annual festivals and could fall on ANY DAY of the week depending on the yearly cycle (please read LEVITICUS 23;24-39).

These ceremonial "SPECIAL" Sabbath were connected to..

* Annual festival of The blowing of trumpet (Leviticus 23:24)
* Annual Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:32)
* Annual Feast of tabernacles (Leviticus 23:39)

These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

You have your Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin (Romans 3:20).

DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT COLOSSIANS 2 LINKING THE NEW TESTAMENT TO OLD

Hope this helps or look foward to your reply
 
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David. Please prove your claims instead of saying things that have no basis in fact or scripture. A Luni/Sola calander is not a sola calander. Your confused brother. The Hebrew calendar is a lunisolar calendar, meaning that months are based on lunar months (NEW MOONS), but years are based on solar years. The Luni/Sola calander uses the sightings of the NEW MOON to determine the start of a NEW month.
I don't buy your argument about a lunisola calendar. Israel kept a lunar calendar and corrected it every few years (few here means unspecified) to comply with the seasons. This doesn't mean they kept two conflicting calendars. This affects prophecy. The lunar calendar doesn't have as many days as the solar calendar.
 
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Way I understand it right now, is the luna or lunar calendar had basically 28 day months (exactly 4 weeks) (no change in days month to month) with a monthly Sabbath day at the end of the month making up the 29th day, called an eighth day, that was exempt or excluded from the otherwise normal days or weeks, then there would be no need to reset it, because it would just naturally always start or the months would all start on a Sunday... Anyway, Does any of that or any of this make any of the Sabbaths different or to fall on different days or not...? Or is LGW right maybe (about this anyway)...?

But, I would remind you LGW that, in post #1068, where I quoted a post where you said they (the Sabbath(s)) were not or did not fall literally on the same literal Sabbath on our calendar as it does on the luna calendar or calendar the Hebrews used or whatever, even saying or exclaiming "Of course not"...

God Bless!
This is over my head. I've tried to put forth a reasonable discussion. The short course is the law is over according to the NT. NTL the subject is interesting to me. For me all who keep or say they keep the sabbath do so to establish their righteousness independent of Jesus. That is called self righteousness which has a value of filthy rags and will be burnt up. What I'm sure of is Jn 5:24 and cone by the formula of Romans 10:9-13. I fully believe 1 Jn 3:23 along with Jer 31:31-33. Jesus said this new covenant is current in LK 22:20 verifying LK 16:16 to be true.
 
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I don't buy your argument about a lunisola calendar. Israel kept a lunar calendar and corrected it every few years (few here means unspecified) to comply with the seasons. This doesn't mean they kept two conflicting calendars. This affects prophecy. The lunar calendar doesn't have as many days as the solar calendar.

It is not my argument. Sources from Wiki; Judaism 101 and Israel Scrience and Technology all on the Hebrew calander and its NEW MOON luna cycles and elsewhere.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?
 
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So...? What does that mean...? Am I using the wrong term by using the term "lunar calendar" maybe...? How many days in each month did the calendar the Hebrews went by have...?

Isn't a woman'c cycle 28 days...? Or do I have that wrong...?

Oh and we have to include that eighth day of the last week of the month, so, 29... That's very close to thirty...

God Bless!
I don't think that is a coincidence. Neither do I think circumcision on the 8th day after birth is a coincidence. Sunday or the first day of the week is also called the 8th day. It's regarded as a new creation.
 
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I don't care where you got your argument from. I did say I'd look at your sources.

Well then how can you say you disagree with it if you have not looked at it? The sources provided are Israeli and Jewish sources on the Hebrew Calander and the monthly luna cycles. Unless your saying that Isreal has it all wrong when they have been keeping the SEVENTH DAY weekly Sabbath for 1000's of years and were the makers of the Hebrew calander. Big call in my view without any scripture or any evidence to support the claims being made here.
 
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So...? What does that mean...? Am I using the wrong term by using the term "lunar calendar" maybe...? How many days in each month did the calendar the Hebrews went by have...?

Isn't a woman'c cycle 28 days...? Or do I have that wrong...?

Oh and we have to include that eighth day of the last week of the month, so, 29... That's very close to thirty...

God Bless!
The days in the month are purely dictated by the rising of the new moon.

I see new moon, new month has started, it's that simple.

We don't care how many days are in a month or in a year.

We see new moon and that's that.
 
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Well then how can you say you disagree with it if you have not looked at it? The sources provided are Israeli and Jewish sources on the Hebrew Calander and the monthly luna cycles. Unless your saying that Isreal has it all wrong when they have been keeping the SEVENTH DAY weekly Sabbath for 1000's of years and were the makers of the Hebrew calander. Big call in my view without any scripture or any evidence to support the claims being made here.
There are numerous sources that conflict with one another LGW.

Look for the new moon and start your count, this is not rocket science my friend.

No one can prove any of the different view points, that is the nature of the game.
 
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Here's what I do whenever I get challenged on this question:

Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.


What I do is lay down the Law. I observe Sabbath on Sunday, and that's the way it is going to be. So sorry that some people do not approve. I don't need their permission, and that is scriptural.
I don't lay down the law for I am under grace.
Saved by grace through faith, not saved by grace through the law.
 
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There are numerous sources that conflict with one another LGW.

Look for the new moon and start your count, this is not rocket science my friend.

No one can prove any of the different view points, that is the nature of the game.
Maybe the test I suggested earlier...?

Unless were in conflict about which or what kind of calendar the Hebrews kept, followed and used, for exact sure, ect...?

God Bless!
 
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The days in the month are purely dictated by the rising of the new moon.

I see new moon, new month has started, it's that simple.

We don't care how many days are in a month or in a year.

We see new moon and that's that.
Was there a day that was set aside for that new moon at the end of that month, or did it go from the last day of the month right into the first day of the next, with no day in-between...?

Some say thirteen, 28-29 day months, (364 days yearly), others say twelve 30 day ones (360 days yearly), and there are other theories also... Some think a week or two was taken off or separated out, or set aside, or something, but not and unequal amount of days, by which it would have to either 7 or 14 days, by which we should be able to calculate...

But, who's right...?

God Bless!
 
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Was there a day that was set aside for that new moon at the end of that month, or did it go from the last day of the month right into the first day of the next, with no day in-between...?

Some say thirteen, 28-29 day months, (364 days yearly), others say twelve 30 day ones (360 days yearly), and there are other theories also... Some think a week or two was taken off or separated out, or set aside, or something, but not and unequal amount of days, by which it would have to either 7 or 14 days, by which we should be able to calculate...

But, who's right...?

God Bless!
Yes N777 there are an assortment of views on the possible calendars. What matters is what always has been above all this conjecture.

Ezekiel 1:26-28
Now above the expanse that was over their heads there was something resembling a throne, like lapis lazuli in appearance; and on that which resembled a throne, high up, was a figure with the appearance of a man. Then I noticed from the appearance of His loins and upward something like glowing metal that looked like fire all around within it, and from the appearance of His loins and downward I saw something like fire; and there was a radiance around Him. As the appearance of the rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the surrounding radiance. Such was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell on my face and heard a voice speaking.

Who cares about the shadows when we have the Christ.
 
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The days in the month are purely dictated by the rising of the new moon.

I see new moon, new month has started, it's that simple.

We don't care how many days are in a month or in a year.

We see new moon and that's that.

As shown through the both the scriptures and the Israeli sources provided, wiki and elsewhere, you are confused as to the purpose of the Hebrew calander brother. The new MOON begins a new month. It has no impact as you claim on the seven day week cycle which is continuous; does not reset the week to sunday; is not God's SEVENTH DAY weekly Sabbath and can fall on any day of the week. God's SABBATH according to God's WORD is the SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK *GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:8-11. End of story. Only God's WORD is true and we should beleve and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.
 
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There are numerous sources that conflict with one another LGW. Look for the new moon and start your count, this is not rocket science my friend. No one can prove any of the different view points, that is the nature of the game.

Well if your stating that there is numerous sources that disagree with the Luna Sabbath theory then I agree with you as I have already provided only a few of them. The general consensus and majority view as shown in wiki already is that the Luna Sabbath theory is a false teaching and something not supported by the Hebrew and Israeli teachings or the word of God.

Wiki

New moon
Some modern sects who are Sabbath keepers have suggested a Sabbath based on the New Moon citing Psalm 104:19 and Genesis 1:14 as a key prooftexts. Observers recognize the 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th days of the month of the Hebrew Calendar as Sabbath days which should be observed.[13] They reject the 7 day week as non-biblical. The Lunar Sabbath theory is rejected by most Sabbatarian groups and Judaism as false and misleading.

If you want to follow after false teachings on Luna sabbaths not supported by both scripture and Israeli and Hebrew teachings I cannot help you and you do so at your own peril.


Hope this helps.
 
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I don't lay down the law for I am under grace. Saved by grace through faith, not saved by grace through the law.

No one is under Grace while living in known unrepentant sin. Those who continue in sin are under the law because they stand before God guilty of breaking it *ROMANS 3:19.

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Grace is linked to mercy and peace from God the farther and from JESUS in love and truth.

2 JOHN 1:3 [3] Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

ROMANS 1:5 [5], By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

We are to grow in God's GRACE and the KNOWLEDGE of our LORD JESUS CHRSIT.

2 PETER 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen. *2 PETER 1:2

We do this by seeking JESUS to be our teacher and continuing in God's WORD.

JOHN 14:26 [26], But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.

JOHN 8:31-36
[31], Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed;
[32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
[33], They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, You shall be made free?
[34], Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Whoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
[35], And the servant stays not in the house for ever: but the Son stays ever.
[36], If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.

TITUS 2:11-12 [11], FOR THE GRACE OF GOD HAS APPEARED BRINGING SALVATION TO ALL MEN, [12], TEACHING US, THAT, DENYING UNGODLINESS AND WORLDLY JUSTS, WE SHOULD LIVE SOBERLY, RIGHTOUESLY AND GODLY IN THIS PRESENT WORLD

ROMANS 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? SHALL WE SIN [break any one of God's 10 commandments], THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND? God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

ROMANS 6:15-17 What then? SHALL WE SIN BECAUSE WE ARE NOT UNDER LAW BUT UNDER GRACE? GOD FORBID! [16] Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of SIN RESULTING IN DEATH, or of OBEDIENCE resulting in righteousness?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

God's GRACE is given to us because all of us have sinned and are sinners (broken God's 10 Commandments) and the wages of SIN is death *ROMANS 3:23; ROMANS 5:12; ROMANS 6:23.

ROMANS 8:3-4
[3], For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: [4], THAT THE RIGHTOUESNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

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WORD MEANINGS OF GRACE

GRACE GREEK WORD
χάρις; charis khar'-ece From G5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude): - acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace (-ious), joy liberality, pleasure, thank (-s, -worthy).

GRACE HEBREW WORD
חן; chên khane From H2603; graciousness, that is, subjectively kindness, favor or objectively (beauty): - favour, grace (-ious), pleasant, precious, [well-] favoured.

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CONCLUSION: Grace is unmerited favour leading to a change of behaviour. God's GRACE IS FOR OBEDIENCE to GOD'S WORD in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW it to save us from our sins and the penalty of sin (death) and our sinful nature through our LORD JESUS CHRIST! No one is under Grace while not believing and following God's WORD and living in disobedience to God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments).

Hope this helps.
 
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Who cares about the shadows when we have the Christ.

You mix up your shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:17 in the NEW COVENANT.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Now where is the scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no scripture is there? If there is no scriprture for this tradition why do you not believe God’s WORD?
 
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